The elephant in the room is that you can trace all these issues back to Nick Sirianni. As long as the Eagles have an offensive head coach who can't scheme up offense well, this will be a recurring problem. They will regularly need to replace the OC, and in some years based on the talent on the roster and circumstances within the organization, may not even be able to find a suitable replacement OC.

It's why I think barring a Super Bowl next season, I think Sirianni is toast. Jeff Lurie is going to grow tired of doing this every year. He's going to want an offensive guru who is at no risk of leaving every year locked in and the only way to ensure that is if they're your head coach. Say the Eagles hire Joe Brady as OC and he improves the offense and the Eagles go to the divisional round or whatever next season and lose. And Joe Brady gets a HC job. Do you think Lurie is going to want to go through this BS all over again? Be late to start the OC search, risk not getting the guys you want... all because your offensive head coach isn't bright enough to scheme up and call an offense himself?

Nick Sirianni is an objective anchor to this organization right now. And it's wild saying that given the record he's had here, but it's true. If the Eagles had an offense guru as the head coach, we wouldn't be going through any of this drama right now. And honestly, AJ Brown probably would be much happier too. Could you imagine trading the guy because he's unhappy because you can't run a functional offense because your head coach is a bozo? Now, no one would have a gun to Howie's head and if he did it(and I still believe strongly he won't) it would be his doing ultimately. But still. And crap, if Lane decides to retire, I bet him having to come back and play in a crap offense might be a factor too. Everything would be better if Sirianni was gone, and all the dysfunction goes back to the fact that you have a head coach who doesn't really do much of anything. And I think Lurie knows it which is why the Sirianni hot seat stories have started to resurface.

32 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's a lot to like, he's just extremely green. He's 29 years old and has 3 years total experience in the NFL outside of being an assistant. I don't think you can hand him the keys to the offense which means Nick is back to being involved or were bringing in multiple guys to help out which could turn into another 2020.

If it were up to me, I'd go with him over Cooter or Kafka or these other uninspiring names. I just don't think Lurie/Howie would.

I think Lurie and Howie would choose the higher upside choice. Not sure Sirianni would with his job on the line.

Doyle is very intriguing. I was watching the Bears/Rams game and lamenting how the Bears were scheming guys wide open - I couldn't remember the Eagles doing that at all in 2025. Yes, he's young (29 or 30) and has never called plays, but he's worked for Payton and Johnson. As an added bonus, he's likely 2-3 years away from serious HC consideration. I'm not despondent over losing McDaniel (overrated IMO and a bad fit with Jalen) or Daboll (he's getting the Bills' job), and I think someone like this could inject fresh blood. Of the names that have been reported/rumored, I'd say my order is : Brady, Kingsbury (really hasn't been linked to us), Slowik and Doyle are my top tier. After that, I'd handle Cooter (I think he gets a bad rap, was once a hot name when Lions OC, been with Shane), Weis Jr (don't love no NFL experience). I'd be angry with Kafka, and I'd burn down the Linc if they hire Nagy.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Doyle is very intriguing. I was watching the Bears/Rams game and lamenting how the Bears were scheming guys wide open - I couldn't remember the Eagles doing that at all in 2025. Yes, he's young (29 or 30) and has never called plays, but he's worked for Payton and Johnson. As an added bonus, he's likely 2-3 years away from serious HC consideration. I'm not despondent over losing McDaniel (overrated IMO and a bad fit with Jalen) or Daboll (he's getting the Bills' job), and I think someone like this could inject fresh blood. Of the names that have been reported/rumored, I'd say my order is : Brady, Kingsbury (really hasn't been linked to us), Slowik and Doyle are my top tier. After that, I'd handle Cooter (I think he gets a bad rap, was once a hot name when Lions OC, been with Shane), Weis Jr (don't love no NFL experience). I'd be angry with Kafka, and I'd burn down the Linc if they hire Nagy.

Me too

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The elephant in the room is that you can trace all these issues back to Nick Sirianni. As long as the Eagles have an offensive head coach who can't scheme up offense well, this will be a recurring problem. They will regularly need to replace the OC, and in some years based on the talent on the roster and circumstances within the organization, may not even be able to find a suitable replacement OC.

It's why I think barring a Super Bowl next season, I think Sirianni is toast. Jeff Lurie is going to grow tired of doing this every year. He's going to want an offensive guru who is at no risk of leaving every year locked in and the only way to ensure that is if they're your head coach. Say the Eagles hire Joe Brady as OC and he improves the offense and the Eagles go to the divisional round or whatever next season and lose. And Joe Brady gets a HC job. Do you think Lurie is going to want to go through this BS all over again? Be late to start the OC search, risk not getting the guys you want... all because your offensive head coach isn't bright enough to scheme up and call an offense himself?

Nick Sirianni is an objective anchor to this organization right now. And it's wild saying that given the record he's had here, but it's true. If the Eagles had an offense guru as the head coach, we wouldn't be going through any of this drama right now. And honestly, AJ Brown probably would be much happier too. Could you imagine trading the guy because he's unhappy because you can't run a functional offense because your head coach is a bozo? Now, no one would have a gun to Howie's head and if he did it(and I still believe strongly he won't) it would be his doing ultimately. But still. And crap, if Lane decides to retire, I bet him having to come back and play in a crap offense might be a factor too. Everything would be better if Sirianni was gone, and all the dysfunction goes back to the fact that you have a head coach who doesn't really do much of anything. And I think Lurie knows it which is why the Sirianni hot seat stories have started to resurface.

Lurie would say what they’ve done has worked. An offensive guru is great as HC in theory but only a few of those have worked out really. Shanahan still hasn’t won a SB.

In any case every CEO coach and defensive coach faces that potential loss and even when we had an offensive coach in Peterson the loss of a good OC hurt a lot. Heck even now they are hailing the return of EB in KC when it’s Reid’s offense (says not good things about Nagy)

Ultimately the CEO coach has to be able to pick good coordinators so if Sirriani fails to do that then he will be on hot seat

I actually think Lurie will think that Sirianni worked because their front office is so good that they don't even need Nick Sirianni. I think he'll look at what happened with Doug and go we won a Super Bowl with Doug Pederson who is an objectively average at best head coach. Look at what he was post 2017 and then with the Jags. And what the Jags became when he left. He's not good. I think he'll go we don't need Nick Sirianni and we can easily replace him and ideally the best version of the Philadelphia Eagles is having an offensive guru head coach who can't get plucked away paired with a guru DC.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I actually think Lurie will think that Sirianni worked because their front office is so good that they don't even need Nick Sirianni. I think he'll look at what happened with Doug and go we won a Super Bowl with Doug Pederson who is an objectively average at best head coach. Look at what he was post 2017 and then with the Jags. And what the Jags became when he left. He's not good. I think he'll go we don't need Nick Sirianni and we can easily replace him and ideally the best version of the Philadelphia Eagles is having an offensive guru head coach who can't get plucked away paired with a guru DC.

So Hire the kid that you believe can become that

WIP is the fox news Of sports radio. Will only make You dumber

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I actually think Lurie will think that Sirianni worked because their front office is so good that they don't even need Nick Sirianni. I think he'll look at what happened with Doug and go we won a Super Bowl with Doug Pederson who is an objectively average at best head coach. Look at what he was post 2017 and then with the Jags. And what the Jags became when he left. He's not good. I think he'll go we don't need Nick Sirianni and we can easily replace him and ideally the best version of the Philadelphia Eagles is having an offensive guru head coach who can't get plucked away paired with a guru DC.

One of our Best advantages as a franchise is Lurie. Having an owner with the patience to work a long term plan, and the resources to back anything up, rather than being an overreactive dumb spaz.

I worry that when his son takes Over we will lose that significant advantage

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

WIP is the fox news Of sports radio. Will only make You dumber

As if any of those other news networks are any different.

29 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The elephant in the room is that you can trace all these issues back to Nick Sirianni. As long as the Eagles have an offensive head coach who can't scheme up offense well, this will be a recurring problem. They will regularly need to replace the OC, and in some years based on the talent on the roster and circumstances within the organization, may not even be able to find a suitable replacement OC.

It's why I think barring a Super Bowl next season, I think Sirianni is toast. Jeff Lurie is going to grow tired of doing this every year. He's going to want an offensive guru who is at no risk of leaving every year locked in and the only way to ensure that is if they're your head coach. Say the Eagles hire Joe Brady as OC and he improves the offense and the Eagles go to the divisional round or whatever next season and lose. And Joe Brady gets a HC job. Do you think Lurie is going to want to go through this BS all over again? Be late to start the OC search, risk not getting the guys you want... all because your offensive head coach isn't bright enough to scheme up and call an offense himself?

Nick Sirianni is an objective anchor to this organization right now. And it's wild saying that given the record he's had here, but it's true. If the Eagles had an offense guru as the head coach, we wouldn't be going through any of this drama right now. And honestly, AJ Brown probably would be much happier too. Could you imagine trading the guy because he's unhappy because you can't run a functional offense because your head coach is a bozo? Now, no one would have a gun to Howie's head and if he did it(and I still believe strongly he won't) it would be his doing ultimately. But still. And crap, if Lane decides to retire, I bet him having to come back and play in a crap offense might be a factor too. Everything would be better if Sirianni was gone, and all the dysfunction goes back to the fact that you have a head coach who doesn't really do much of anything. And I think Lurie knows it which is why the Sirianni hot seat stories have started to resurface.

Regardless of whether you're right or wrong, I hope you realize this is a blisteringly unfair take when it's not even his fault that they lose head coaches to head coaching jobs every year. It's really obvious too, because if it had to do with 'people being sure who was doing what', defensive coaches would lose their offensive coordinators every year.

The only reason he's an 'objective anchor' is because he has the highest poach rating in the NFL, and literally no one else deals with this EXCEPT league trending offensive gurus like Shanahan or McVay. Not even Reid deals with this. Not even defensive coaches in which their offensive coordinators have clear autonomy deal with this.

But as people are finally coming to terms with, it's a combination of factors, one of the most important ones being that Hurts, who Sirianni never got to pick away from, is a limited passing QB, so the combination of our teams being very successful and people being successful despite the immense pressure, the limited QB, and the challenging fans makes people feel like they're ready to be a head coach.

Objectively? I think he's screwed too. It's not his fault, but it's been mentioned a couple times that Lurie is still kinda hung up over Reid. So, I can see him firing Sirianni even after a 12 win season to try to find another Reid. Only problem is, chances he's going to do that are tiny. They're especially tiny when even as head coaches, they can't get their first choices. We could be headed towards Chip Kelly 2.0 in a matter of years...and I really hope we get lucky.

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

One of our Best advantages as a franchise is Lurie. Having an owner with the patience to work a long term plan, and the resources to back anything up, rather than being an overreactive dumb spaz.

I worry that when his son takes Over we will lose that significant advantage

Which is why @vikas83 needs to take one for the team and buy the Eagles from him already.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Some people try really hard with the 'Philadephia fanbase just has bad eggs' approach. I think that's true, but honestly, people are underrating the national media that basically amplifies every negative thing that happens in Philadelphia, and what that means for the reputation of people who are considering working there. At the very least, it's well known that the media is a nightmare. It's pretty much a whole fanbase of armchair GMs and armchair coaches who, if you are not obviously extremely good at your job than they are, they will all think they know better than you. I just don't objectively get the pros of working there, unless you're betting on yourself to try to become a head coach when you don't think you'll otherwise get interest.

To me blame has nothing to do with it, it's just a reality that under Nick Sirianni you're going to need an OC who schemes offense and calls plays because Sirianni can't do it, which means that coach will always be at risk for leaving. And given the dynamics with the head coach who is an offensive guy and depending on the candidate may have his hands in the offense, may not... it will always be hard to attract the top OCs.

As long as Sirianni is here this will be a reality. Whether it's his fault or not it doesn't matter.

18 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I actually think Lurie will think that Sirianni worked because their front office is so good that they don't even need Nick Sirianni. I think he'll look at what happened with Doug and go we won a Super Bowl with Doug Pederson who is an objectively average at best head coach. Look at what he was post 2017 and then with the Jags. And what the Jags became when he left. He's not good. I think he'll go we don't need Nick Sirianni and we can easily replace him and ideally the best version of the Philadelphia Eagles is having an offensive guru head coach who can't get plucked away paired with a guru DC.

I think this, as opposed to your other take is more fair. If the Eagles want to bet on themselves, and try to find a legendary head coach, that's fine. It's tough to do, but they can give it a shot. If you can do it and your roster doesn't implode, you might have a dynasty, but in reality it's your QB and the environment that's causing the constant plucking. They like Jalen too much intangibles wise to consider that though.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

To me blame has nothing to do with it, it's just a reality that under Nick Sirianni you're going to need an OC who schemes offense and calls plays because Sirianni can't do it, which means that coach will always be at risk for leaving. And given the dynamics with the head coach who is an offensive guy and depending on the candidate may have his hands in the offense, may not... it will always be hard to attract the top OCs.

As long as Sirianni is here this will be a reality. Whether it's his fault or not it doesn't matter.

The two times Sirriani did external hires it turned out well. It’s the internal promotions that were the issue.

I’m not above it but everyone is going through the typical worry until they hire a candidate

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

To me blame has nothing to do with it, it's just a reality that under Nick Sirianni you're going to need an OC who schemes offense and calls plays because Sirianni can't do it, which means that coach will always be at risk for leaving. And given the dynamics with the head coach who is an offensive guy and depending on the candidate may have his hands in the offense, may not... it will always be hard to attract the top OCs.

As long as Sirianni is here this will be a reality. Whether it's his fault or not it doesn't matter.

Yep. He's pretty much in a situation where he's going to go down with Hurts. He doesn't really have a choice. It's why even though I don't think he deserves to be fired, at this point I'd kind of rather they just do it, especially if it makes the fanbase stop with the 2023 trauma already. Like I'd be relieved if anything (then immediately annoyed because the chance they stop the trauma is very small).

9 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Which is why @vikas83 needs to take one for the team and buy the Eagles from him already.

I'm rich, but I'm not buy an NFL franchise rich.

56 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A lot of playoff guys already interviewed. They can't talk again from last weekend through next Monday if they are still in the playoffs. Klint Kubiak, Nate Scheelhaase, Chris Shula, Vance Joseph, Davis Webb, Mike LaFleur were all linked to HC jobs or possible OC jobs.

Ah makes sense why no one has been talking about them this week, at least the few things I've seen on ESPN at work

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

The two times Sirriani did external hires it turned out well. It’s the internal promotions that were the issue.

I’m not above it but everyone is going through the typical worry until they hire a candidate

There's no real science to it though. Some coaches will work, some will not. The problem is they've gone through this every year since 2022 because OC is incredibly important given the fact that you have an offensive head coach who isn't the brains behind your offensive operation. It's just not an ideal setup. And I don't think it's sustainable long term. Every team's ideal coaching setup is having an offensive and defensive guru who won't leave your organization. Obviously can only ensure one of those can't leave if one of those is your head coach. The Eagles head coach is neither an offensive guru nor defensive. We're lucky Fangio is old and from the area or he'd probably have been hired away too and we'd really have been screwed.

I don't think the CEO head coach model is sustainable long term because of that. You need at least one guru in the building completely locked in. Ideally, offensive because they're directly tied to the success of the QB who is the most important guy on the roster. The Eagles are lucky to have a window right now where their defensive guru isn't a head coach and also isn't going anywhere because of his age. If this team had an offensive guru as a head coach we'd have the most enviable setup in the NFL.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The two times Sirriani did external hires it turned out well. It’s the internal promotions that were the issue.

I’m not above it but everyone is going through the typical worry until they hire a candidate

I want to point out this is kind of wrongly framed. So for example, some people talk about how 'people who worked with Sirianni are bad', and that we should avoid them, but Shane already worked with Sirianni, and that turned out really well. It was pretty clear who wanted Steichen.

I think the truth of the matter is, if I'm to be perfectly honest? I just don't think the offensive coaches around Sirianni since Steichen have been very good, sans Stoutland. Who has gotten people on offense to be better than they were....at all? Anyone? Anyone at all?

Calc regressed, the other TE's are literal who's. The WRs, AJ and Devonta are what they are, few of the others stepped up for anything? RBs, we got talent in the building, but have they really been performing to their fullest over the years? What other offensive staff have gotten looks for OC anywhere else?

I just don't think it's a very strong supporting staff, so we shouldn't have been promoting from it at all.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I'm rich, but I'm not buy an NFL franchise rich.

Be less poor

1 hour ago, greend said:

Big drop from Williams to Hurts. Imo

Hurts needs to up his manicure game.

Well, let's go back and look at the whole you need an offensive guru play caller to win, because the SB results basically say you really don't, and the gurus win when they have HOF quarterbacks:

2010 - Mike McCarthy, offensive play caller with HOF QB

2011 - Tom Coughlin, non-play caller

2012 - Harbuagh, CEO coach

2013 - Pete Carroll, defensive coach

2014 - Belichick, defensive coach, GOAT QB

2015 - Kubiak, offensive play caller, HOF QB (to be fair, didn't play like one)

2016 - Belichick, defensive coach, GOAT QB

2017 - Pederson, Offensive play caller, no HOF QB

2018 - Belichick, defensive coach, GOAT QB

2019 - Reid, Offensive play caller, HOF QB

2020 - Arians, not play caller, GOAT QB

2021 - McVay, Offensive play caller, HOF QB

2022 - Reid, Offensive play caller, HOF QB

2023 - Reid, Offensive play caller, HOF QB

2024 - Sirianni, CEO Coach

So the only offensive play caller to win a Super Bowl without a sure fire HOF QB was Dougie P. Kubiak - Manning was a shell of himself, so maybe call it 2 times. But Reid and McVay never won until they got their hall of fame QB.