3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Putting aside what the Eagles should do with AJ Brown, I wonder what trade value 2026 offseason AJ Brown has. Especially if they have to wait until after the draft to trade him.

He'll want an extension from anyone trading for him - only $4mm of 2027 comp is guaranteed (kicks in 3rd day of league year). So trading for a guy who everyone thinks wants out, and needs a big money extension running into his 30s? I'd say 2nd rounder at best, unless you trade him to Dallas (Jerry traded a first and a second for Q. Williams and somehow didn't extend him in a similar situation).

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Putting aside what the Eagles should do with AJ Brown, I wonder what trade value 2026 offseason AJ Brown has. Especially if they have to wait until after the draft to trade him.

He is immediately #1 WR for so many teams. He would have lots of value. Imagine him in SF, LA (both teams), WA, Giants, Buffalo, NO, NE, Colts, Bears...stupid to think of trading him. He complained about everything we complained about with our offense (47 hitch routes against SF!!!) and people want him out for saying it out loud? I don't get it.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I took it as a joke

I actually think he's that dumb

Am I reading that correctly that we would rip out Siriannis offense and replace it?

22 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Translated you are saying: I want to ignore his horrible time in NY, so let's go back to something that fits what I want it to fit vs reality that he isn't a dynamic mind or innovative but that if given amazing talent at QB he can make an offense look good.

I don't think he's a bad OC, but again, add in his temper and the other minds out there and they would do a better job IMO.

Translation: Let's look st his body of work as an actual OC when that is what he is being considered for here. You're the one that wants to completely disregard his time as actual OC because you have no argument to stand on.

5 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Am I reading that correctly that we would rip out Siriannis offense and replace it?

The OC needs to have the same autonomy that Vic had as DC. Keep Siri as far away from game planning and scheme philosophy as possible. He’s a gloried cheerleader, let him excel in that role.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

Translation: Let's look st his body of work as an actual OC when that is what he is being considered for here. You're the one that wants to completely disregard his time as actual OC because you have no argument to stand on.

So only go by his time with an amazing talent at QB not the crap show in NY. Got it. I'm also not disregarding him throwing crap in the locker room. Again, he's fine, but there are better options that are more innovative that come with less baggage.

5 hours ago, Lambo said:

One of Hurts strengths is running. I have heard plenty of stuff on the radio that he does not want to run.

He doesn't look as fast or as explosive anymore. Honestly its natural for scrambling QBs to not run as much as they get older.

17 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Putting aside what the Eagles should do with AJ Brown, I wonder what trade value 2026 offseason AJ Brown has. Especially if they have to wait until after the draft to trade him.

Not as much as it could be. Prob a 2nd. And also puts the Eagles in a bind because how do they upgrade WR significantly in June? It's just not a feasible thing to do. You'd lose cap dollars, you'd have to add two WRs this offseason than just one. They have precious cap space to begin with, you can't waste it to fix WR by you yourself making it a weakness in the first place. Honestly, it would derail their entire offseason. And this WR draft class sucks compared to recent classes. Just a bad year to have a WR need without mega cap room.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Not as much as it could be. Prob a 2nd. And also puts the Eagles in a bind because how do they upgrade WR significantly in June? It's just not a feasible thing to do. You'd lose cap dollars, you'd have to add two WRs this offseason than just one. They have precious cap space to begin with, you can't waste it to fix WR by you yourself making it a weakness in the first place. Honestly, it would derail their entire offseason. And this WR draft class sucks compared to recent classes. Just a bad year to have a WR need without mega cap room.

I think people also often forget that Howie does not have a good track record with drafting WRs

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

He technically does if he doesn't want to run as much anymore. He didn't look the same in the 2025 season and he did in the 2024 season either. We might already be seeing the mobility decline

16 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

So only go by his time with an amazing talent at QB not the crap show in NY. Got it. I'm also not disregarding him throwing crap in the locker room. Again, he's fine, but there are better options that are more innovative that come with less baggage.

Only go by his time when he was in the actual position that we would be hiring for yeah that would make sense. Otherwise we should have never hired Fnagio as the DC because he was such a bad HC in Denver.

And again, he didn't have an amazing talent finished product at QB. He took an incredibly raw talent at QB and developed in into one of the top QBs in the league. Took one of the worst offenses and made them one of the best offenses in the league.

25 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

He is immediately #1 WR for so many teams. He would have lots of value. Imagine him in SF, LA (both teams), WA, Giants, Buffalo, NO, NE, Colts, Bears...stupid to think of trading him. He complained about everything we complained about with our offense (47 hitch routes against SF!!!) and people want him out for saying it out loud? I don't get it.

Well said. I just don't get it either. The media did a good job making him look like a cancer. They'd rather have a TO type person rather than an actual good WR. And if they don't have that TO then they fabricate and twist someone into that persona. Completely insane and quite sad honestly

18 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

He doesn't look as fast or as explosive anymore. Honestly its natural for scrambling QBs to not run as much as they get older.

He's only 27

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

Only go by his time when he was in the actual position that we would be hiring for yeah that would make sense. Otherwise we should have never hired Fnagio as the DC because he was such a bad HC in Denver.

And again, he didn't have an amazing talent finished product at QB. He took an incredibly raw talent at QB and developed in into one of the top QBs in the league. Took one of the worst offenses and made them one of the best offenses in the league.

I don't care how he was as a HC. I care about how the offense he ran as a HC was and it wasn't enough to put him ahead of the names out there even without his temper. If he comes here will I be sad? I won't think it was the best choice over other options, but no. But maybe he can do something to make Hurts into a real throwing QB if he gets hired based on your feedback.

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He technically does if he doesn't want to run as much anymore. He didn't look the same in the 2025 season and he did in the 2024 season either. We might already be seeing the mobility decline

Yes

It doesn't matter who the OC/QB is if the OL is bad.

Jurgens/Dickerson get the entire off-season to rest. Dickerson will likely get a proper surgery this time. Jurgens' contract is very cuttable after 2026 (3M in cap savings), so he gets one more year. Dickerson's contract is also cuttable after 2026 if necessary.

As such, we should be using 2 of our top 3 picks on OL. I'd be using one on a G and one on a T to protect ourselves for 2027+.

After spending all the draft picks on defense from 2023-2025, it's time for picks on offense.

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He technically does if he doesn't want to run as much anymore. He didn't look the same in the 2025 season and he did in the 2024 season either. We might already be seeing the mobility decline

Here's a novel concept. Don't use Hurts as a battering ram for the tush push and wear him down over all of these years. If Eagles want to use the tush push, do it with Tank or TE of choice. Why risk QB1 for this play? Never understood that. Also, can use it as a decoy to spin off from into all kinds of actions.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

It doesn't matter who the OC/QB is if the OL is bad.

Jurgens/Dickerson get the entire off-season to rest. Dickerson will likely get a proper surgery this time. Jurgens' contract is very cuttable after 2026 (3M in cap savings), so he gets one more year. Dickerson's contract is also cuttable after 2026 if necessary.

As such, we should be using 2 of our top 3 picks on OL. I'd be using one on a G and one on a T to protect ourselves for 2027+.

After spending all the draft picks on defense from 2023-2025, it's time for picks on offense.

Dickerson needs to lose at least 25 pounds and follow Jordan Davis's regimen like last offseason. He needs to get in shape. That will be a good start. I was never a fan of extending Jurgens last offseason. Tho think a full offseason in training will help him. At least there's a good backup plan there with Kendall. I bring in Becton at RG & Steen becomes plan B at LG if Dickerson isn't right. But yes definitely go high on the OL early. Eagles are built on the lines.

Ultimately, both the offensive line and defensive lines were not up to the championship standard this year and it became their undoing more than any other factor. Even coaching.

I've said before that I prefer the term "system QB" over "game manager" when it comes to describing Hurts. So I think it's unfair to say he has no limitations at all, like Orlovsky is implying in that tweet above, but those limitations are certainly being overstated by some people. And that's the case for any other system QB, like Goff, Herbert Mayfield, Purdy, etc. They an have limitations to some degree.

And as it's been the case for decades, if those types of guys are not in a system that capitalizes on their strengths and masks their weaknesses, they are going to struggle. They will not be able to will their offenses to success on a consistent basis if the scheme isn't a great fit. Watch the tape on Goff under McVay and compare to his first year in Detroit, to the years under Johnson, to this past year and it'll jump off the screen. Like it's so obvious that it's kinda crazy how much fans were doubting the impact a competent OC can have on a QB's level of play. How many times did we hear over the past few months, "well Patullo made it this far, so obviously an NFL OC can't be completely incompetent." Well, I hope they realize now that yes, sometimes coordinators really are that bad at their jobs.

Anyways, there are few QBs who can truly excel and elevate an offense regardless of scheme quality, which is why they're called elite. Guys like Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Stafford, Mahomes. You can drop those guys into almost any system (excluding Patullo's FFS!) and they'll have success on a consistent basis. But they're obviously few and far between, and Hurts isn't in that tier of QB, which is fine. That doesn't mean we can't win with him or that he's trash or that Tanner McKee (LOL) would be better than him. It's just that we need someone competent designing, installing, and calling the plays, so hopefully we'll get that this time around like we had in '22 and '24.

38 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So I'm going to explain why, IMO, the future of the franchise comes down to Cam Jurgens and Landon Dickerson.

There has been a ferocious debate about Jalen Hurts, his limitations, and the failures of the coaching staff. Patullo is now fired and the debate is the overall approach to the offense. Build it all around Hurts, his strengths, the running game...or get someone who really has a different blueprint. "We won a SB and went to 2 with Hurts mixed with a great running game." Going to both superbowls involved All-pro level play from 5 of 5 OL. 5 of 5. Maybe 4 of 5 in some circumstances.

That blueprint...with Hurts, with how he plays, with how the offense functioned in 2022 and 2024; it can work again IF the OL can get back to that level. Lane is already toast. If Jurgens and Dickerson are not going to be healthy enough to get back to that level, then the party is over. That's the tipping point. This OL goes from historic to below average. The OL needs to be rebuilt and, in turn, the entire offense needs to be rebuilt.

So their plan with OC, with QB...IMO...it's all tied to Jurgens and Dickerson. They can replace a RT with a hobbling Lane helping to groom a 1st round pick. If Dickerson and Jurgens get back to their peak, then they can have Hurts do his thing and run an offense that still looks familiar. But if LG/OC/RT (and RG with Steen) are all in flux, it's OVER.

That really needs to impact the personnel and OC strategy. Whether we get a slightly fresh perspective to run it back with an offense focused on the running game with a dynamic, versatile QB...or if we are starting from scratch.

So they really, really need to figure out what they can expect from those two OL.

I agree that if they return to form, then the offensively the team is going to be much more effective in the run game. They won't need to rely on an intermediate passing game as much. Howie and Lurie probably allocate blame pretty evenly between scheme, execution and drop off in play/injuries. The first 2 issues are coaching issues. The third is potentially a coaching issue if they are too trusting in their veteran players that just aren't able to perform. This is potentially a Stoutland issue. I don't know who was making the call to start Jurgens when Toth was playing better but my guess is it was Stoutland. I don't think the FO will try to intervene and keep Stoutland from making that decision. I do think a new OC may be given more latitude and be able to influence that decision. The FO will make OL a priority. ItThe Eagles will invest in OL early in the draft. They have had a consistent approach to players they draft. My guess is they will heavily scout OT prospects that are athletic. They will target interior line prospects that have played multiple positions. I think they can move on from Dickerson and Jurgens after the 2026 and 2027 seasons without much of a hit. I think Dickerson is in the safer spot. He did seem to improve as the season wore on but he clearly was never close to 100%. Jurgens looked bad all season. He continued to have terrible play strength and mobility. He should not have been out on the field. The Eagles make a big deal about having so many of their starters healthy. Jurgens was a lot of things but he was never healthy. It begs the question about whether the training staff and team doctors just ignore functional evaluation and rely to heavily on the player in return to play evaluations.

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

It doesn't matter who the OC/QB is if the OL is bad.

Jurgens/Dickerson get the entire off-season to rest. Dickerson will likely get a proper surgery this time. Jurgens' contract is very cuttable after 2026 (3M in cap savings), so he gets one more year. Dickerson's contract is also cuttable after 2026 if necessary.

As such, we should be using 2 of our top 3 picks on OL. I'd be using one on a G and one on a T to protect ourselves for 2027+.

After spending all the draft picks on defense from 2023-2025, it's time for picks on offense.

I'd be happy if the 1st and 2nd picks were Oline

Next time don't extend players on Oline with injury history

5 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Here's a novel concept. Don't use Hurts as a battering ram for the tush push and wear him down over all of these years. If Eagles want to use the tush push, do it with Tank or TE of choice. Why risk QB1 for this play? Never understood that. Also, can use it as a decoy to spin off from into all kinds of actions.

Hurts isn't really the battering ram though. That's really the center lol but I get your point

I was hoping they'd do it with more sneaks. They barely did that. There's a bunch of different things they could have done but didn't

https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/2011521576152547660

There's only one QB worth drafting. Helps for any Hurts/McKee moves.