Shrine Bowl Winners

QB-East Team OL struggled to keep a clean pocket. Klubnik will be drafted earliest. But QB that stood out the most is Jalon Daniels. Zip on the ball, and mobility.

RB/WR- Heidenreich, Navy

WR Dillon Bell

TE- Dallen Bentley 6'3'' 262lb projects as an in line TE who moves better than youd think.

OT-Amil Wagner ball of clay. Long arms, big hands, moves extremely well.

IOL Brian Parker- The Duke OT who switched to center. Feels he will be the first player drafter from the shrine bowl this year.

DL-Kaleb Proctor my one personal note- Milton Williams watch. Undersized gap shooter.

Edge- Wesley Williams (finally a mention!)

LB- Taurean York

CB- Devin Marshall NC State

SAF- Cole Wisniewski

jesus christ. Look at the first play in this video for Gennings Dunker. Wow. Jalen Carter type strength, and nasty finish.

DJ has us taking CB Terrell. Not crazy about that. Doesn't seem to fit zone and is a bit undersized. Would much rather Hood or even Cisse. McCoy and Mansoor are most likely gone by 23.

He has Howell going really early at 15 and Thieneman at 25. In all of these mocks I take those two guys in round 2, so guess that dream is coming to an end now.

I did this one on Sunday before DJ posted his first today.

I'm thinking Howie goes Miller or Freeling at 23 as Lane's end is not far away now. If one gets hot leading up to the draft then a possible trade up would also be possible to ensure he gets one.

With the way this falls my personal favorite trade up guys outside the top 10 would be Lemon, Downs to a lesser extent Howell. Tate or Tyson would be ok too. Lemon to me could be the next Jaxon/Amon Ra style receiver that I would covet to get into the receiving core.

Downs pushes the defense to the next level that I thought we were at but we're still a couple players away. I like Howell but not going up too high for him as I would the others.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Cap hits for the 4 QBs that got their teams into the championship games:

Bo Nix: 4.2m

Drake Maye: 8.3m

Matthew Stafford: 48.2m (lost)

Sam Darnold: 14.4m

And another thing to note for Darnold...that was year 1. Which matters because they still haven't begun to meaningfully spend money on the position (that comes next year in his contract).

Teams used to win or lose in shootouts based almost entirely on who had the more perfect QB that could just keep it going.

The league has evolved off that spot and QB's are now overpaid.

So I'm not going to say that Jalen Hurts isn't good enough. I'm going to say that he's overpaid. If you cut his cap hit in half, we could keep the entire defense together and maybe even go out and add a piece. Right now, I'm not sure the NFL has any QBs dominant enough to have a sustained cap hit around 30-35m over 2 years that can actually beat more talented teams with QB's on rookie or journeyman deals.

Why are you talking as if he isn’t the reigning SB MVP? We clearly made it work with his salary.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

jesus christ. Look at the first play in this video for Gennings Dunker. Wow. Jalen Carter type strength, and nasty finish.

good stuff. I heard the knock on Dunker was his arm length but you can almost always trust a lineman from Iowa

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

The team that figures out how to flip QBs every 4-5 years is going to change the game. Get an older 8th year senior college QB on a rookie contract, have him manage the offense before he gets paid, flip him and repeat. That's the next way to go about things.

Particularly the average ones. You don't need a Burrow, allen, or mahomes to win. You build a complete team and throw a guy who can do enough and you're perennial contenders. Average QB demands a $250 mil contract? Bye, have fun in Cleveland or Vegas.

1 hour ago, WentzFan11 said:

Why are you talking as if he isn’t the reigning SB MVP? We clearly made it work with his salary.

It works because they have 4 defensive studs on rookie contracts

5 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

Why are you talking as if he isn’t the reigning SB MVP? We clearly made it work with his salary.

Can't tell if serious...

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Cap hits for the 4 QBs that got their teams into the championship games:

Bo Nix: 4.2m

Drake Maye: 8.3m

Matthew Stafford: 48.2m (lost)

Sam Darnold: 14.4m

And another thing to note for Darnold...that was year 1. Which matters because they still haven't begun to meaningfully spend money on the position (that comes next year in his contract).

Teams used to win or lose in shootouts based almost entirely on who had the more perfect QB that could just keep it going.

The league has evolved off that spot and QB's are now overpaid.

So I'm not going to say that Jalen Hurts isn't good enough. I'm going to say that he's overpaid. If you cut his cap hit in half, we could keep the entire defense together and maybe even go out and add a piece. Right now, I'm not sure the NFL has any QBs dominant enough to have a sustained cap hit around 30-35m over 2 years that can actually beat more talented teams with QB's on rookie or journeyman deals.

If by "used to" you mean as little as the superbowl before last then maybe you have a point. Let's see how the next few play out. But of course there is more than 1 way to put together a superbowl winning team.

Although I do agree that Hurts is overpaid.

21 minutes ago, greend said:

If by "used to" you mean as little as the superbowl before last then maybe you have a point. Let's see how the next few play out. But of course there is more than 1 way to put together a superbowl winning team.

At the very beginning it can happen. The eagles have a lot of major contributors on rookie deals. His point is that it becomes unsustainable when paying the QB your typical QB big money contract these days because you end up not being able to keep the roster together.

He is right.

Notice the pendulum swinging back towards defense and run games win super bowls. Teams with bad QBs are more and more frequently making post-season runs.

You had some big seasons with Minnesota and Kase Keenum. You have Sam Darnold in the super bowl this year. You had Jalen Hurts win because of defense and a run game. Other playoff teams this year, Caleb Williams, Stroud, Trevor Lawrence. None of those guys are upper echelon QBs.

Steelers made playoffs last year with washed up Russell Wilson. Vikings made it last year with Sam Darnold.

Its just becoming more and more frequent because QB contracts have gotten so big that you cant build a good enough roster around them, or keep it together if you lucked in to enough draft picks to temporary be in contention.

7 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

jesus christ. Look at the first play in this video for Gennings Dunker. Wow. Jalen Carter type strength, and nasty finish.

I like Dunker a lot with a mid round pick but I don't see him as a Tackle at Pro Level definitely not out of the gate, he struggles to shift laterally against guys with a fast first step and he'll see that every week at Edge in the NFL, he'd have to start at Guard and see if Stout can coach him up, his run blocking is great though.

Him and / or Caleb Tiernan in the middle rounds would be great picks to coach up for the O Line. Tiernan is like the Flip of Dunker, his pass protection is elite but his run blocking is up and down.

4 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I like Dunker a lot with a mid round pick but I don't see him as a Tackle at Pro Level definitely not out of the gate, he struggles to shift laterally against guys with a fast first step and he'll see that every week at Edge in the NFL, he'd have to start at Guard and see if Stout can coach him up, his run blocking is great though.

Him and / or Caleb Tiernan in the middle rounds would be great picks to coach up for the O Line. Tiernan is like the Flip of Dunker, his pass protection is elite but his run blocking is up and down.

I see some mocks have Dunker going at the bottom of the first now, I think that's a reflection on the class rather than his level, he's a project Tackle not a plug and play guy.

7 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Shrine Bowl Winners

QB-East Team OL struggled to keep a clean pocket. Klubnik will be drafted earliest. But QB that stood out the most is Jalon Daniels. Zip on the ball, and mobility.

RB/WR- Heidenreich, Navy

WR Dillon Bell

TE- Dallen Bentley 6'3'' 262lb projects as an in line TE who moves better than youd think.

OT-Amil Wagner ball of clay. Long arms, big hands, moves extremely well.

IOL Brian Parker- The Duke OT who switched to center. Feels he will be the first player drafter from the shrine bowl this year.

DL-Kaleb Proctor my one personal note- Milton Williams watch. Undersized gap shooter.

Edge- Wesley Williams (finally a mention!)

LB- Taurean York

CB- Devin Marshall NC State

SAF- Cole Wisniewski

Don't forget Robinson. What in intriguing player. He's going to go to a team I hate and be annoyingly good.

Nice, I love watching highlight of a player frozen in a 3 point stance while some rando is talking for 90% of the clip

If Sirianni was fired today would other teams be interested in hiring him?

2 hours ago, greend said:

Although I do agree that Hurts is overpaid.

At the QB position you have to overpay for "pretty good”. And he did win a Super Bowl so he earned being overpaid.

The rumor is Cleveland is pushing offensive HC candidates to keep Schwartz. Apparently both Udinski and Scheelhaase have their own candidates in mind, with Udinski being more resistant to Schwartz.

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

At the QB position you have to overpay for "pretty good”. And he did win a Super Bowl so he earned being overpaid.

I think the point being made is would you prefer to have Becton, Milton Williams, Davis, Carter, Ojomo, Baun, Mitchell, DeJean, Dean, etc. and a mid-tier QB or would you prefer to have Hurts, losing Williams, Becton, Dean and maybe only being able to keep Baun, Carter, Mitchell and Dejean?

Again, I am not cap expert and I trust Howie and his team of people to figure this out but the point remains....when you have to pay a franchise QB (with all his good and ALL HIS BAD) 50 million a year, that takes away fixed resources that could be used to hold on to other key players that they end up losing weakening the team.

I don't have the correct answer and I've learned it's not in my control anyway! I've also come to just appreciate the two Super Bowls they did win because I honestly thought I'd die before them ever winning one!

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I see some mocks have Dunker going at the bottom of the first now, I think that's a reflection on the class rather than his level, he's a project Tackle not a plug and play guy.

I think he's a guard only with the short arms, and slight athletic limitations, and possibly not an Eagles type of guard because of that athleticism.

But it does look like he can unlock elite Barkley again.

30 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The rumor is Cleveland is pushing offensive HC candidates to keep Schwartz. Apparently both Udinski and Scheelhaase have their own candidates in mind, with Udinski being more resistant to Schwartz.

Seems like a situation setup for failure. I wonder if Eagles forcing Stoutland is causing similar concerns. A respected vet coach with a strong presence can make it hard to truly be in full charge

41 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

At the QB position you have to overpay for "pretty good”. And he did win a Super Bowl so he earned being overpaid.

Yeah, I’d prefer to pay for future performance rather than past performance. I’d also like to get something for Jalen via trade before it is obvious that the wheels are falling off - perhaps that’s after a ‘bounce back’ year maybe earlier.

9 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Seems like a situation setup for failure. I wonder if Eagles forcing Stoutland is causing similar concerns. A respected vet coach with a strong presence can make it hard to truly be in full charge

I don’t know - while OCs might have their guys, Stout isn’t a millstone - in fact I thought he’d be a selling point.

This is interesting. As what?

He updated it. Same job but who’s OC?