1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

44 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Schefter's hint may simply be new position coaches that the new OC would want to hire.

Please get rid of moorehead

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Please get rid of moorehead

Less Moorehead, more Cooter

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

on facebook. not sure if true:

Would be a bummer. He could be the guy with the right OC. Just have to see how next year plays out.

Never get news from Facebook.

This search/ situation has left me exhausted.

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Never get news from Facebook.

I wish people understood this 10 years ago…

So there are 2 layers to any OC job.

One is the genius/innovation component. How well can they create novel looks, keep the defense on its heels, maximize matchups, run concepts and routes that defenses aren't equipped to match up against, etc, etc. That's the sexy part of the job that everyone likes to measure all these candidates against.

Then there's the foundational floor of the job. The nuts and bolts of running an offense. Calling plays, getting them in, making basic (not exotic) adjustments over the flow of the game based on the defensive alignments you are seeing. It's this area that people really, really bashed the FO and Patullo. They flipped out that they put someone inexperienced in control of playcalling and design of an offense with superbowl aspirations. That was the loudest, most uniformly repeated complaint. They didn't need a football Einstein, especially given the personnel situation we had on offense...but they needed someone with the logistical experience of doing that job.

And that ship has almost sailed now. They now will have to get someone nearly as green as Patullo. Might work out, might not work out. But the entire criticism of trusting Patullo's inexperience is going to happen all over again. They have almost zero experienced options.

40 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Less Moorehead, more Cooter

I'm so immature...I laughed way too hard at this.

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So there are 2 layers to any OC job.

One is the genius/innovation component. How well can they create novel looks, keep the defense on its heels, maximize matchups, run concepts and routes that defenses aren't equipped to match up against, etc, etc. That's the sexy part of the job that everyone likes to measure all these candidates against.

Then there's the foundational floor of the job. The nuts and bolts of running an offense. Calling plays, getting them in, making basic (not exotic) adjustments over the flow of the game based on the defensive alignments you are seeing. It's this area that people really, really bashed the FO and Patullo. They flipped out that they put someone inexperienced in control of playcalling and design of an offense with superbowl aspirations. That was the loudest, most uniformly repeated complaint. They didn't need a football Einstein, especially given the personnel situation we had on offense...but they needed someone with the logistical experience of doing that job.

And that ship has almost sailed now. They now will have to get someone nearly as green as Patullo. Might work out, might not work out. But the entire criticism of trusting Patullo's inexperience is going to happen all over again. They have almost zero experienced options.

Let me introduce you to this guy.

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Better than nothing, just hard to say how much any of that matters when it comes to OC. Eagles fans were saying the exact same thing about DeFilippo who didn't even last a year as OC in Minnesota and then lasted one more year as OC in Jacksonville before going to the USFL/XFL.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Better than nothing, just hard to say how much any of that matters when it comes to OC. Eagles fans were saying the exact same thing about DeFilippo who didn't even last a year as OC in Minnesota and then lasted one more year as OC in Jacksonville before going to the USFL/XFL.

Yeah, who knows? Just posting what I see on twitter. Hopefully they do their due diligence and are certain in their choice. Especially if the guy never called plays before.

We want Mannion!

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Better than nothing, just hard to say how much any of that matters when it comes to OC. Eagles fans were saying the exact same thing about DeFilippo who didn't even last a year as OC in Minnesota and then lasted one more year as OC in Jacksonville before going to the USFL/XFL.

Why can't you let people feel joy?

Jordan Love is one of the least put together starting QBs in the NFL. A lot of that may be on Jordan Love...but someone has to say it.

This offense is mostly a veteran offense. Don't see that meshing with another unproven play caller, like Mannion, who the players will probably question from Day 1. Like does this guy know what he's doing? Will have a very short probation period in this town. We are in a short Superbowl window currently. Need someone with some NFL experience as OC and winning pedigree along with high IQ to upgrade this current Mickey Mouse offense. Not someone Sirianni will have to babysit and start meddling with. Essentially, you need a head coach of the offense. That leaves no doubt of who's in charge. Can't see this offense doing even a 180 here in their offensive philosophy either. Also, haven't we learned from rookies like Johnson and Patullo that there's a nice learning process here for any rookie coordinator that we would get. He's a crapshoot at best. Maybe, there can be an advisor/consultant who can be added on here with that move if they're super sold on him.

I maintain that experience calling plays is really important for this offense and this roster at this point in time. A young fresh mind that is a hot candidate for many teams sounds great, but someone on the coaching staff has to be able to put in place an excellent process of preparation throughout the week AND handle in-game pressure to call the right plays for the right situation and against what the defense is showing.

Now, if a young guy who is an up and coming coach can bring innovation, creativity, great ideas and design great plays AND learn quickly all the above process and play calling that's great. They have to be sure in who they're hiring. We saw this year that KP was the worst OC and mostly clueless and Nick was no help. Nick had every opportunity to make changes, insist on adjustments, to help address the issues and they never changed over the entire season. So Nick is useless for coaching the offense. So Mannion or whoever else that hasn't called plays is going to have to rely on what he observed from play callers he's worked with. And we'd have to hope they learn on the job FAST.

An interesting long-term wrinkle is IF it's true that the front office is doing their due diligence to gather ideas and screen potential replacements for Nick, then it's possible part of their plan is for a new OC to potentially become HC if Nick is fired.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

And that ship has almost sailed now. They now will have to get someone nearly as green as Patullo. Might work out, might not work out. But the entire criticism of trusting Patullo's inexperience is going to happen all over again. They have almost zero experienced options.

Nagy, Cooter, Lombardi.

That's 3 experienced guys still out there

Beyond no play calling experience Mannion is 2 years removed from playing so I doubt he has an entire offensive system of his own designed. Seems very risky since we're expecting immediate results

If we get a new chap to call plays who has never done it before my only concern is the effect Siri might have on him. I hope Howie is on top of it.