45 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Well a lot of Bucs fans say he ran no motion, no bunch sets, very unimaginative. But hard to know what's what.

Now the biggest question is who is QB coach.

Also makes you wonder if Grizzard's second interview yesterday was actually for PGC and not OC considering how quickly they hired Mannion later that day.

I just hope his methods and ideas do not clash or complicate with Mannion. We just heard Kelce talk about how our offense was disjointed with all the different coaches having to do different things and it never meshed or was cohesive. Which was evident on the field. Cannot have that anymore.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The big news that Schefter was hinting at.

Schefter never said "big news." They said that next week they'll have him back to discuss the new Eagles OC and Schefter said well and maybe a little more than that or something. That's it. He didn't say big, he didn't even use a tone that made it sound intriguing. The radio hosts just ran with it, people on Twitter and here turned that into "big news" and something big coming and speculated wildly.

Howie and Lurie are not messing around: two OC candidates hired to help fix the offense and especially pass offense.

There's no way - regardless of what you think of Hurts - that they shouldn't have had a much better passing game and overall offense last year. They have a roster full of star players. They had an EASY path to repeat the way the NFL was this year and they blew it.

And you now have 2 guys with outside, fresh ideas. If this works out and Siri keeps winning as HC, and Mannion gets hired elsewhere you can keep Grizzard as OC. If they do fire Nick at some point, Mannion could become HC and Grizzard OC. Not saying any of that will happen, but I'm guessing Howie likes having the options available to him. Plus other candidates they interviewed they will remember in future years.

So. Looks to me that my guess was kinda right, but also kinda wrong. Actually it seems a little closer to my prior thought from a few months ago that they need to start stashing future offensive coordinators at passing game coordinator so we're not at a disadvantage when we win the SB because we have a much higher coach poaching rate than others. I wasn't sure about the Mannion hire, but I'm actually pretty happy about the result here. This tells me something:

It is very possible that candidates were unwilling to accept the collaborative approach that they were talking about, with multiple accredited coaches to set up the offense for long term success, and that's why we had people withdrawing from the process.

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Howie and Lurie are not messing around: two OC candidates hired to help fix the offense and especially pass offense.

There's no way - regardless of what you think of Hurts - that they shouldn't have had a much better passing game and overall offense last year. They have a roster full of star players. They had an EASY path to repeat the way the NFL was this year and they blew it.

And you now have 2 guys with outside, fresh ideas. If this works out and Siri keeps winning as HC, and Mannion gets hired elsewhere you can keep Grizzard as OC. If they do fire Nick at some point, Mannion could become HC and Grizzard OC. Not saying any of that will happen, but I'm guessing Howie likes having the options available to him. Plus other candidates they interviewed they will remember in future years.

Well said.

3 hours ago, tuffstuff07 said:

I just hope mannion saw how jsn was used and uses devonta the same

Please give devonta some routes that he can actually utilize his talent with this next year

You mean having arguably the best route runner with arguably the best hands in the league actually run NFL concepts?!?!

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Howie and Lurie are not messing around: two OC candidates hired to help fix the offense and especially pass offense.

There's no way - regardless of what you think of Hurts - that they shouldn't have had a much better passing game and overall offense last year. They have a roster full of star players. They had an EASY path to repeat the way the NFL was this year and they blew it.

And you now have 2 guys with outside, fresh ideas. If this works out and Siri keeps winning as HC, and Mannion gets hired elsewhere you can keep Grizzard as OC. If they do fire Nick at some point, Mannion could become HC and Grizzard OC. Not saying any of that will happen, but I'm guessing Howie likes having the options available to him. Plus other candidates they interviewed they will remember in future years.

I think this was the plan all along, but they were struggling to find guys willing to accept it. You may remember I talked about a plan to fight the turnover before, and that they need one, and then I was kind of smelling a collaborative and odd new approach coming along?

Yeah, well. I talked about how big ego is in coaching, and I bet there were several egos not willing to accept what they wanted to do. But here we are, them actually having hired two of the candidates rather than one. I think Lurie, Howie, and Sirianni are all highly pissed off by the constant turnover, yep.

Edit: Plan all along once their top candidates went out the window.

4 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

You mean having arguably the best route runner with arguably the best hands in the league actually run NFL concepts?!?!

Nah let's just send him deep every play again

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

The best part of the Grizzard hire is we have a real future OC in the pipeline. This isn’t theoretical like in the past.

Yes. I literally said a few months ago that they should start stashing candidates one year in advance to completely nullify the Super Bowl disadvantage. I'm kind of in shock that they actually figured it out and did it. This is crazy but extremely good, because they'll probably seek to imitate this process in the future if it works out. They actually realized that the issue wasn't promotion, but that their staff did not have valid candidates for promotion. Great job. I really thought they wouldn't do it, because this kind of collaborative stashing approach is against the 'you have to have the GUY' mentality of the NFL.

Just a guess, but this kinda feels better than the committee they tried with Doug with too many cooks in the kitchen. This feels like collecting 2 coaches who worked with very good offensive coaches in the league, from different coaching trees and influence who are going to work together on a creative and innovative offense and let Nick do his HC job. And I would also guess that the interviews included realistic discussion about career growth, future OC and HC opportunities on other teams and even growth here. I'm sure these coaches know what they're getting into when hired with any team, how things can change for better or worse.

If they do this right, it could be a really good creative offense room, but there's also insurance and plan for succession.

And if this works from a coaching standpoint there will be no more excuses for lack of production. Hopefully the coaching is great and either elevates everyone and/or exposes who needs to go.

31 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Question. Let’s say the offense is a major disappointment again next year.

Who are YOU going to blame:

1. Offensive coaching by committee approach

2. Siriani for polluting everyone else and having too much influence.

3. New guys suck

4. Jalen Hurts isn’t good enough

McNabb.

31 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Question. Let’s say the offense is a major disappointment again next year.

Who are YOU going to blame:

1. Offensive coaching by committee approach

2. Siriani for polluting everyone else and having too much influence.

3. New guys suck

4. Jalen Hurts isn’t good enough

Can I see how it unfolds first? It's hard to know what to blame before it happens!

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Just a guess, but this kinda feels better than the committee they tried with Doug with too many cooks in the kitchen. This feels like collecting 2 coaches who worked with very good offensive coaches in the league, from different coaching trees and influence who are going to work together on a creative and innovative offense and let Nick do his HC job. And I would also guess that the interviews included realistic discussion about career growth, future OC and HC opportunities on other teams and even growth here. I'm sure these coaches know what they're getting into when hired with any team, how things can change for better or worse.

If they do this right, it could be a really good creative offense room, but there's also insurance and plan for succession.

And if this works from a coaching standpoint there will be no more excuses for lack of production. Hopefully the coaching is great and either elevates everyone and/or exposes who needs to go.

The best part is it's a semi-novel model. I'm happy. I always say that challenging problems require complex solutions. They actually didn't do the same thing and expect different results. Awesome.

Hiring Glizzy makes the hire of another OC with no playcalling experience much more palatable

34 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Question. Let’s say the offense is a major disappointment again next year.

Who are YOU going to blame:

1. Offensive coaching by committee approach

2. Siriani for polluting everyone else and having too much influence.

3. New guys suck

4. Jalen Hurts isn’t good enough

There's also a 5th option. That it's still a very good idea but because this approach is semi-novel, it needs more time to cook. Then again you said major disappointment, so I guess that would mean like disastrously bad...

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Can I see how it unfolds first? It's hard to know what to blame before it happens!

That would be my realistic answer too.

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Can I see how it unfolds first? It's hard to know what to blame before it happens!

eagle45 is ready to start the blaming and rage now! Heads need to roll!

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

eagle45 is ready to start the blaming and rage now! Heads need to roll!

I do often wonder if some of these miserable Fs in here realize they're miserable, or if they think normal people are just obnoxiously optimistic.

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Just a guess, but this kinda feels better than the committee they tried with Doug with too many cooks in the kitchen. This feels like collecting 2 coaches who worked with very good offensive coaches in the league, from different coaching trees and influence who are going to work together on a creative and innovative offense and let Nick do his HC job. And I would also guess that the interviews included realistic discussion about career growth, future OC and HC opportunities on other teams and even growth here. I'm sure these coaches know what they're getting into when hired with any team, how things can change for better or worse.

If they do this right, it could be a really good creative offense room, but there's also insurance and plan for succession.

And if this works from a coaching standpoint there will be no more excuses for lack of production. Hopefully the coaching is great and either elevates everyone and/or exposes who needs to go.

It depends on how much power they actually give Mannion. It didn't work with Doug because they kept Doug in power and tried to force guys on him who he just ignored and did what he wanted. I would think Howie and Lurie learned from that lesson and will step in if that starts to happen again.

The insurance and succession plans feels like an added bonus. I think they mostly just wanted to bring in someone to help Mannion navigate the waters as he gets his feet wet.

39 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Question. Let’s say the offense is a major disappointment again next year.

Who are YOU going to blame:

1. Offensive coaching by committee approach

2. Siriani for polluting everyone else and having too much influence.

3. New guys suck

4. Jalen Hurts isn’t good enough

As others said, we have to see how it actually goes. There will be breakdowns by analysts and fans on twitter, media and of course our own experience watching the games.

This year there were several problems and most of them were made worse by Patullo. The O line wasn't healthy, but the coaches should have made Dickerson and Jurgens rest until ready to go. The usage of the TE personnel, the predictability, etc. were easy to point to coaching.

If it seems clear that the coaches do a good job with play design, calls in the right situations, the WR routes are better, decisions are better on 3rd and long, usage of the RBs, etc. then we can rule out coaching. If the pass plays are designed a lot better and the WR routes are better and Hurts is just missing them or under performing then it exposes that.

A lot of us have said it's hard to judge players with such a bad OC. Like, is AJ Brown going to be more motivated and work harder and not have drops because he believes in the system again? Will Hurts not be so hesitant because the coaching and process is better? Will the O line be able to adjust blocking when they have more time before snap to see what's being presented? Will Hurts have better audible options and more time for pre-snap reads? A lot is to be determined. Morale and faith in your coaches is also a factor for everyone.

Having said that, this season should expose what needs to change the following year. Financially, AJ Brown will be gone no matter how great he plays (would be great to increase his trade value). This season should also address whether Hurts stays or goes (whenever that is financially feasible and his sign off due to the NTC).

A simple thing would be to unleash the run game with Barkley and Bigsby. Will they do that? Will the O line be healthy? If Jurgens back is still broke do they do what's needed and put Toth or someone else in to be more effective? A lot to be answered.

Howie and Lurie clearly want return on their investment and there will be no excuses this year.

Thoughts on the process and hires, with the understanding that we still need to see the end product? There was a lot of consternation earlier in the week.

You sir, are a future Philadelphia Eagle

5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I do often wonder if some of these miserable Fs in here realize they're miserable, or if they think normal people are just obnoxiously optimistic.

"We're just passionate!'

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It depends on how much power they actually give Mannion. It didn't work with Doug because they kept Doug in power and tried to force guys on him who he just ignored and did what he wanted. I would think Howie and Lurie learned from that lesson and will step in if that starts to happen again.

The insurance and succession plans feels like an added bonus. I think they mostly just wanted to bring in someone to help Mannion navigate the waters as he gets his feet wet.

I don't think this plan was decided on without Sirianni being part of it. I think if it was, they would have fired him instead. It's likely that all three of them were involved in my opinion, and they came up with the concept together.

Have said this before, some people think Sirianni is arrogant when it comes to his internal team behavior because of his external team behavior, but it always seemed to me like he was uniquely willing to hand jobs to other people and let them do their job. I actually think he's probably too laissez-faire sometimes, which led to what happened with Patullo this year. There are few coaches in the league this would work with.