7 hours ago7 hr Just now, LeanMeanGM said:Was just about to say it’s starting to feel a bit that way. Hiring three guys you interviewed for OC’s seems a bit much.I have to imagine Loeffler is a goner for sure now.I think you all have made me too cynical.
7 hours ago7 hr My general philosophy on big changes like this are that they tend to break the dam. A team can scratch and claw and find some success doing things a certain way. And then when they make a big change to fix things, understandably of course, it usually breaks the dam. At least in the NFL. It's almost like your base that has supported you gives out and the floor of your offense's potential collapses. Of course it could work out for good, and we all wanted to see the change. I just think this year might be pretty rough. But that doesn't mean the offense can't get better over the years, even if 2026 is very tough. And I tend to think it will be.
7 hours ago7 hr I think the "too many cooks in the kitchen" thing is kind of a cliche people use but there's no real basis to it. Every team has lots of coaches. Every coach will be assigned their duty, there will be a chain of command. I don't think there will be a problem. I'm more concerned about the players having to learn a new system in one offseason and the guy running it never having run an offense in his life and has barely coached at the NFL level.
7 hours ago7 hr 43 minutes ago, schuy7 said:Too many cooks in the kitchen?Exactly what I was going to say, not sure where they are going with all this. Seems like massive over correction and could be a big mess.
6 hours ago6 hr Hurts is going to have an entourage. Lot of QB experts around him now. Wonder if he will still suck.
6 hours ago6 hr 1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:I think the "too many cooks in the kitchen" thing is kind of a cliche people use but there's no real basis to it. Every team has lots of coaches. Every coach will be assigned their duty, there will be a chain of command. I don't think there will be a problem. I'm more concerned about the players having to learn a new system in one offseason and the guy running it never having run an offense in his life and has barely coached at the NFL level.The basis is it happened twice in the last 5 years here. 2020 they brought in guys with different offensive ideas and it got to the point Scangarello said he didn’t even know what he was doing here because he wasn’t listened to. And then in 2023 when they added Patricia for some reason that had no connection to the Fangio scheme Desai was trying to run and it resulted in Kevin Byard doing his own game planning because he had no idea what else to do.
6 hours ago6 hr Some notes on Jerrod Johnson, who is joining the Eagles coaching staff per @MikeGarafolo • Spent last three seasons as QBs coach in Houston. Just recently parted ways with Texans.• Was 1 of 7 candidates who got two interviews for Eagles OC job this offseason. Three of those candidates — Sean Mannion, Josh Grizzard and Johnson — are now on the Eagles’ staff.• Johnson also interviewed for Eagles OC job in 2024 that went to Kellen Moore.• Johnson was on the Colts’ coaching staff under Frank Reich and worked with Nick Sirianni when Sirianni was OC in Indy. He also worked with OL coach Chris Kuper in Minnesota.• Johnson played QB at Texas A&M and went undrafted in 2011. He was with the Eagles in training camp that summer.
5 hours ago5 hr 5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:The basis is it happened twice in the last 5 years here. 2020 they brought in guys with different offensive ideas and it got to the point Scangarello said he didn’t even know what he was doing here because he wasn’t listened to. And then in 2023 when they added Patricia for some reason that had no connection to the Fangio scheme Desai was trying to run and it resulted in Kevin Byard doing his own game planning because he had no idea what else to do.That's not really too many cooks in the kitchen. Too many cooks in the kitchen means you have too many voices trying to contribute different ideas all at once and they all ended up stepping on each other's toes and the message never gets through because you have multiple coaches all trying to teach multiple things at once. That wasn't really what happened with Scangarello or Patricia.Scangarello never really got much of a say. That was COVID, apparently they were never able to really implement his ideas because of COVID limitations so he was just kind of there during the season and useless. And Patricia was Sirianni and/or Howie panicking and essentially firing Desai midway through the season when he wasn't even that bad, so the team had to adjust midway through a season. Had Desai not been fired, the defense still probably wouldn't have been good because the personnel was pretty brutal that year, but I don't think they'd have fallen off the way they did.If Mannion sucks and is demoted midway through 2026 it'll be either because he sucks at his job or Sirianni panicked to try to save his own job more than it would be he had too many coaches on his staff. At least they all have ties to the same offensive system and they aren't trying to jumble a bunch of different guys from all different systems together. Where I think it would become too many cooks in the kitchen is if Sirianni lets his ego get in the way and tries to interrupt the installation of the Shanahan system midway through camp or the season because he just doesn't sit right not being able to have his system in place. I don't think he would do that, but to me that would qualify because then something gets in the way of continuity.
5 hours ago5 hr 1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:I think the "too many cooks in the kitchen" thing is kind of a cliche people use but there's no real basis to it. Every team has lots of coaches. Every coach will be assigned their duty, there will be a chain of command. I don't think there will be a problem. I'm more concerned about the players having to learn a new system in one offseason and the guy running it never having run an offense in his life and has barely coached at the NFL level.As long as they’re all speaking the same language, pulling in the same direction and can check their egos at the door, I don’t see a problem. Mannion runs the offense. Everything is built off his offensive system and core beliefs. Grizzard is the PGC. He spent time working under McDaniel, a Shanahan disciple, and then Coen, a McVay disciple. Mahaffey is the run game coordinator. He worked with Mannion and coached under LaFleur, a McVay disciple. Johnson has coached under Bobby Slowik, another Shanny disciple. Then he coached under Caley, a McVay disciple. Frazier spent a year as an assistant under McDaniel. While it might seem like too many cooks in the kitchen, these are guys with similar backgrounds from different branches of the Shanny/McVay tree.
5 hours ago5 hr 3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:That's not really too many cooks in the kitchen. Too many cooks in the kitchen means you have too many voices trying to contribute different ideas all at once and they all ended up stepping on each other's toes and the message never gets through because you have multiple coaches all trying to teach multiple things at once. That wasn't really what happened with Scangarello or Patricia.Scangarello never really got much of a say. That was COVID, apparently they were never able to really implement his ideas because of COVID limitations so he was just kind of there during the season and useless. And Patricia was Sirianni and/or Howie panicking and essentially firing Desai midway through the season when he wasn't even that bad, so the team had to adjust midway through a season. Had Desai not been fired, the defense still probably wouldn't have been good because the personnel was pretty brutal that year, but I don't think they'd have fallen off the way they did.If Mannion sucks and is demoted midway through 2026 it'll be either because he sucks at his job or Sirianni panicked to try to save his own job more than it would be he had too many coaches on his staff. At least they all have ties to the same offensive system and they aren't trying to jumble a bunch of different guys from all different systems together. Where I think it would become too many cooks in the kitchen is if Sirianni lets his ego get in the way and tries to interrupt the installation of the Shanahan system midway through camp or the season because he just doesn't sit right not being able to have his system in place. I don't think he would do that, but to me that would qualify because then something gets in the way of continuity.Agreed. Too many cooks implies too many people trying to have a say over how to prepare the meal. Like you said, Scangarello wasn’t a cook. He was just a guy who had a different idea about what ingredients went in the meal, but no one listened. Patricia was a guy who had some good cooking experience and was around in case the real cook failed. As long as all of the underlings know their role and understand the OC’s vision, it isn’t a problem
5 hours ago5 hr 2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:As long as they’re all speaking the same language, pulling in the same direction and can check their egos at the door, I don’t see a problem.Mannion runs the offense. Everything is built off his offensive system and core beliefs.Grizzard is the PGC. He spent time working under McDaniel, a Shanahan disciple, and then Coen, a McVay disciple.Mahaffey is the run game coordinator. He worked with Mannion and coached under LaFleur, a McVay disciple.Johnson has coached under Bobby Slowik, another Shanny disciple. Then he coached under Caley, a McVay disciple.Frazier spent a year as an assistant under McDaniel.While it might seem like too many cooks in the kitchen, these are guys with similar backgrounds from different branches of the Shanny/McVay tree.This is essentially what it boils down to. If everyone can row in the same direction, it might work. The problem I see is what if it’s week 4 like in 2024 and things aren’t going great. Does Sirianni believe in the plan or does he go back to what worked?
5 hours ago5 hr 10 minutes ago, NOTW said:Some notes on Jerrod Johnson, who is joining the Eagles coaching staff per @MikeGarafolo• Spent last three seasons as QBs coach in Houston. Just recently parted ways with Texans.• Was 1 of 7 candidates who got two interviews for Eagles OC job this offseason. Three of those candidates — Sean Mannion, Josh Grizzard and Johnson — are now on the Eagles’ staff.• Johnson also interviewed for Eagles OC job in 2024 that went to Kellen Moore.• Johnson was on the Colts’ coaching staff under Frank Reich and worked with Nick Sirianni when Sirianni was OC in Indy. He also worked with OL coach Chris Kuper in Minnesota.• Johnson played QB at Texas A&M and went undrafted in 2011. He was with the Eagles in training camp that summer.The Eagles clearly have been interested in him for a while. Hard to tell how good he is as a coach. People will blame him for CJ Stroud's regression, but it's also possible Stroud just isn't that good. It's also possible Johnson may be a good offensive mind but just not a great QB coach. But the Eagles have been circling around this guy for years so they clearly see something in him. Will be interesting to see what his official title is.
5 hours ago5 hr 1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:Hurts is going to have an entourage. Lot of QB experts around him now. Wonder if he will still suck.What is it, Jalen’s had 9 OCs in 10yrs? How about 3 in one year…
5 hours ago5 hr 5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:This is essentially what it boils down to. If everyone can row in the same direction, it might work. The problem I see is what if it’s week 4 like in 2024 and things aren’t going great. Does Sirianni believe in the plan or does he go back to what worked?Sure, but that’s more of a Sirianni problem, or maybe Hurts. None of these guys — Mannion, Grizzard, Mahaffey, etc — knows last year’s pathetic offensive system. Throwing in the towel on the new system so quickly would be a pretty big indictment on either Sirianni (bad hires or a lack of patience) or Hurts (not able to pick up the system).
5 hours ago5 hr Just now, Waiting4Someday said:What is it, Jalen’s had 9 OCs in 10yrs? How about 3 in one year…Gotta think outside the box!
5 hours ago5 hr 3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:Sure, but that’s more of a Sirianni problem, or maybe Hurts. None of these guys — Mannion, Grizzard, Mahaffey, etc — knows last year’s pathetic offensive system. Throwing in the towel on the new system so quickly would be a pretty big indictment on either Sirianni (bad hires or a lack of patience) or Hurts (not able to pick up the system).I don’t disagree but that’s the basis of the too many cooks argument. Too many outside voices vs the internal voices who all think they know the answers to the problem and they don’t all get onboard.
5 hours ago5 hr 30 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:That's not really too many cooks in the kitchen. Too many cooks in the kitchen means you have too many voices trying to contribute different ideas all at once and they all ended up stepping on each other's toes and the message never gets through because you have multiple coaches all trying to teach multiple things at once. That wasn't really what happened with Scangarello or Patricia.Scangarello never really got much of a say. That was COVID, apparently they were never able to really implement his ideas because of COVID limitations so he was just kind of there during the season and useless. And Patricia was Sirianni and/or Howie panicking and essentially firing Desai midway through the season when he wasn't even that bad, so the team had to adjust midway through a season. Had Desai not been fired, the defense still probably wouldn't have been good because the personnel was pretty brutal that year, but I don't think they'd have fallen off the way they did.If Mannion sucks and is demoted midway through 2026 it'll be either because he sucks at his job or Sirianni panicked to try to save his own job more than it would be he had too many coaches on his staff. At least they all have ties to the same offensive system and they aren't trying to jumble a bunch of different guys from all different systems together. Where I think it would become too many cooks in the kitchen is if Sirianni lets his ego get in the way and tries to interrupt the installation of the Shanahan system midway through camp or the season because he just doesn't sit right not being able to have his system in place. I don't think he would do that, but to me that would qualify because then something gets in the way of continuity.How is that not 2020? Scangarello was brought in because he was a motion/Shanahan guy. Doug ignored his ideas. The messaging never got through because Doug didn’t buy into it. Scangarello never got much say literally because of Doug Pederson. This was the year they didn’t even technically have an OC. The offense was a mess because of too many outside voices brought in that didn’t align with the Head Coach.
5 hours ago5 hr 54 minutes ago, ManuManu said:As long as they’re all speaking the same language, pulling in the same direction and can check their egos at the door, I don’t see a problem.Mannion runs the offense. Everything is built off his offensive system and core beliefs.Grizzard is the PGC. He spent time working under McDaniel, a Shanahan disciple, and then Coen, a McVay disciple.Mahaffey is the run game coordinator. He worked with Mannion and coached under LaFleur, a McVay disciple.Johnson has coached under Bobby Slowik, another Shanny disciple. Then he coached under Caley, a McVay disciple.Frazier spent a year as an assistant under McDaniel.While it might seem like too many cooks in the kitchen, these are guys with similar backgrounds from different branches of the Shanny/McVay tree.Great post thxI think they are also thinking long term. If we win another. We lose the OC again to an HC spot so they are building a deep coaching bench at least on offense
4 hours ago4 hr 42 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:What is it, Jalen’s had 9 OCs in 10yrs? How about 3 in one year…With all Of them yelling to throw the damn ball…
4 hours ago4 hr 18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:How is that not 2020? Scangarello was brought in because he was a motion/Shanahan guy. Doug ignored his ideas. The messaging never got through because Doug didn’t buy into it. Scangarello never got much say literally because of Doug Pederson. This was the year they didn’t even technically have an OC. The offense was a mess because of too many outside voices brought in that didn’t align with the Head Coach.To me that would be too many cooks if they did try to implement his ideas and it negatively impacted the players because there was trouble mixing the philosophies together and it caused a conflict or confusion. That was more of a "We ignored the cook because we wanted no part of his ingredients.” But even that is much different than what’s going on now because all the coaches seem to be on the same generals page now and have experience from the same system.
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