1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

The reality is no one would've had issue with an article that long with information from sources throughout if it was a puff piece that talked about how amazing Hurts is and how everyone loves him. People only take issue with reporters and sources when an article says something they don't want to be true.

I don't know. People ignore on record comments from people that they don't agree with. Many people have praised Hurts on record over the years. Coaches, players. You're saying if the article were loaded with positive praise for Hurts no one would have an issue with the sources? No. The arguments would flip where people who hate Hurts would dismiss it while others would use it to say this is proof in defense of Hurts. When there are videos of players, coaches, Howie, Lurie praising Hurts they ignore it and say well that's just what they're supposed to say. We see that play out here all the time.

Eagles fans have argued in factions for the starting vs backup QB for decades. There's a reason for the quote the most popular player in Philadelphia is the backup QB. We have really never had a consensus QB that everyone liked. For some reason, some people make it their entire personality to have an extremist view on a QB whether entirely negative or overly homer/positive. There's no in between for some people, no nuance, no understanding of context, no evaluation of comments compared to actions, no weighing some comments and narratives against others to get a more complete picture somewhere in the middle of the extremes.

We're seeing that play out with AJ Brown. Some are on one end of the spectrum where AJ is a cancer and a diva and must be removed at all costs, whereas others are on the extreme that it's all a nothing burger and made up media nonsense. Most people sit in the middle and recognize there are valid points and concerns but it's not as extreme as either take makes it out to be. Same with Hurts. Take for example his demeanor. There are people that think it's so stoic and cold that he's a robot, others that think it shows he's clutch, focused and has ice in his veins and a winner. There can be balance between where you are a competitor but also have camaraderie with teammates.

7 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Yeah I'm good. Hope all is well with you too. Been busy of late and this is the slow part of the NFL season. I'll probably stick my head in here more around the draft.

Glad to hear it. Doing well over here too. Go birds!

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

My thought is that it was a fair article but definitely came slanted heavily by coaching sources. Considering the Eagles cleaned house, it seems like there is an axe to grind. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong, but I wonder how exaggerated the complaints are.

Of course the coaches are going to be a little bitter. Hurts is still here. The offensive coaches are gone. The coach that remains, Siri…well, he may still be here, but he took a huge hit for the failures last year.

We’ve all beaten the dead horse on splitting the blame between Hurts, coaches, and the OL. But the bottom line is that they couldn’t get rid of Hurts and find a new QB. They also couldn’t get rid of their OL and get a new one.

The offense sucked and they changed the only thing they could change, which is the scheme and coaching. While that may or may not be THE problem, that’s the only thing they had the actual ability to change. So that was scapegoated publicly and changed. So I’m sure there are some sour grapes on the coaching end that they were singled out when the problem was more multi-factorial.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

That's not noteworthy at all. Why would they extend him this offseason? 2026 is fully guaranteed, 2027 is partially guaranteed, and there is no way to save cap space with an extension. The Eagles have zero incentive to give him an extension, and Jalen has zero leverage or really reason to ask (unless he demanded a raise).

Jalen's contract was always an issue for 2027. McLane remains a complete imbecile with no understanding of cap and contracts.

It's another way to drum up "news" and click bait: talking about a Jalen Hurts extension to retread the same discussion about Hurts going in circles. Big year for Jalen, lots to prove with the new coaches and offense. Ground breaking!

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Don't worry, ESPN is going to count the number of sources defending and praising Hurts for the next article.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Don't worry, ESPN is going to count the number of sources defending and praising Hurts for the next article.

Lmao I picture some doofus moving a cutout of tanks head on a bulletin board to the Jalen side

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

Sylvester Staboner alert on this one

a trade back, the answer at Safety, Bell and Stowers! 9/10 Howies

Brandon Grahams big announcement is he's launching his own sheety hard seltzer

On 4/1/2026 at 6:21 AM, Mike030270 said:

Hawks won because their defense was amazing

Right, but the point was if Howie continues to build a great team you don't need Hurts which is why I brought ul the seahawks. If you can build a team with a great defense, you don't need an expensive QB.

I'm of the belief that last year was 90% patullo, 5% OL health, 5% Hurts regression. I doubt Mannion is some amazing OC but I am confident that his supporting cast (at least Grizzard) will be able to help. Patullo, who sucked and never called plays, only had sirianni who also sucks at playcalling and design. That said, if the offense sucks again this year Hurts should not get another contract here.

5 minutes ago, devpool said:

Right, but the point was if Howie continues to build a great team you don't need Hurts which is why I brought ul the seahawks. If you can build a team with a great defense, you don't need an expensive QB.

I'm of the belief that last year was 90% patullo, 5% OL health, 5% Hurts regression. I doubt Mannion is some amazing OC but I am confident that his supporting cast (at least Grizzard) will be able to help. Patullo, who sucked and never called plays, only had sirianni who also sucks at playcalling and design. That said, if the offense sucks again this year Hurts should not get another contract here.

What will be the answer next year if they move on from him? It's hard to get a good QB after the top 10 or so and I'm not aware of available vets or potential trades.

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

What will be the answer next year if they move on from him? It's hard to get a good QB after the top 10 or so and I'm not aware of available vets or potential trades.

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Brandon Grahams big announcement is he's launching his own sheety hard seltzer

I thought this was a joke

https://www.instagram.com/sack_55/reel/DWow8jQjuRo/

He really is

Actually kind of weird and a bit sleezy that he’s leveraging his retirement talk into a weird post about a stupid drink. It’s a first that someone had a fake retirement announcement turned into a commercial.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Just a reflective post on roster construction...

We can't see it...it usually takes about 5 years go get the proper aerial and historical perspective on this things, but we are in the midst of an NFL paradigm shift. For about 22 years, the NFL was all about the franchise QB. Your superbowl chances were exactly as good as your franchise QB and the protection/weapons you provide him with to generate a relentless aerial onslaught (pass protection and fast WRs that get open). That was the ONLY reliable blueprint to the SB. Defenses were generally helpless to stop those truly elite, QB driven offenses.

Defenses evolved by selecting 230lb 4.3 edge rushers in round 1. Run defense and tackling became a general afterthought when scouting DBs. Anything to slow down these pass attacks.

And then those franchise QBs retired, but the next generation had the same mega contracts. These new QBs dominated the salary cap in the same way but could not be one-man shows on offense. Now, the best teams in the league, in any given year, tend to be the teams with stacked, balanced talent and not stereotypically elite QBs (who are on more manageable contracts).

I think the way these QBs are being groomed also has a huge part in this. While still receiving mega-contracts, none of these QBs are pro-ready. There aren't any current QBs that seem to scan the field and shred defenses apart from Mahomes (who I'd even question after his last few years). College coaches go after and teach their QBs to be athletes to help them win now, but these guys are not NFL QBs. They are typically 1-read and take-off QBs.

2nd part to this - NFL franchises no longer have patience to groom a QB. Peyton Manning was thrown to the wolves his rookie year with all the security in the world. "Get all the bugs out of your system" was the longest leash ever. There is no patience for that type of a season anymore. If you're not producing at a high/serviceable level in your rookie year, teams are already looking for replacement possibilities.

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Brandon Grahams big announcement is he's launching his own sheety hard seltzer

Big if true.

32 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I don't know. People ignore on record comments from people that they don't agree with. Many people have praised Hurts on record over the years. Coaches, players. You're saying if the article were loaded with positive praise for Hurts no one would have an issue with the sources? No. The arguments would flip where people who hate Hurts would dismiss it while others would use it to say this is proof in defense of Hurts. When there are videos of players, coaches, Howie, Lurie praising Hurts they ignore it and say well that's just what they're supposed to say. We see that play out here all the time.

Eagles fans have argued in factions for the starting vs backup QB for decades. There's a reason for the quote the most popular player in Philadelphia is the backup QB. We have really never had a consensus QB that everyone liked. For some reason, some people make it their entire personality to have an extremist view on a QB whether entirely negative or overly homer/positive. There's no in between for some people, no nuance, no understanding of context, no evaluation of comments compared to actions, no weighing some comments and narratives against others to get a more complete picture somewhere in the middle of the extremes.

We're seeing that play out with AJ Brown. Some are on one end of the spectrum where AJ is a cancer and a diva and must be removed at all costs, whereas others are on the extreme that it's all a nothing burger and made up media nonsense. Most people sit in the middle and recognize there are valid points and concerns but it's not as extreme as either take makes it out to be. Same with Hurts. Take for example his demeanor. There are people that think it's so stoic and cold that he's a robot, others that think it shows he's clutch, focused and has ice in his veins and a winner. There can be balance between where you are a competitor but also have camaraderie with teammates.

I'm talking about the people who are saying the article is BS and everyone is claiming anonymous sources so they can push an agenda. The people who are saying that would've eaten up the article if it was a Hurts puff piece. They're just butt hurt it has criticism in it.

44 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

My thought is that it was a fair article but definitely came slanted heavily by coaching sources. Considering the Eagles cleaned house, it seems like there is an axe to grind. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong, but I wonder how exaggerated the complaints are.

100% this. Clearly a Patullo article.

Moreover, the "4 Verts" comments both doesn't pass the smell test as we watched the video AND it's not like we can't find tons of examples of Jalen audibling into the right plays.

So, trying to digest all these competing story lines, here's my best guess on things.

1. Looking back, it seemed like things were doomed to fail on offense from the jump due to (i) coaching and (ii) injuries on the line. But what is very clear is Jalen was never really a fan of KP, and that was evident in how he reacted to the news he was promoted (as compared to his reaction this year to Mannion). For better or worse, it seems Jalen tunes out coaches he doesn't respect/like, and I think that was the case with KP from the start. Jalen got along well with Saban and didn't really take offense to the benching - Saban is known for coaching guys hard. Steichen seemingly coached him hard and got his best play. Moore, according to reports, also pushed back on him. I think the simple answer is Jalen needs coaches that will push him out of his comfort zone, and he has to respect that those coaches have answers. He never had that respect for KP, and it showed. Should he have had more respect for KP - yeah, ideally he would. But it's not like KP showed a ton of competence.

2. We basically tried to change the offense on the fly last year - more under center, more play action, etc. Jalen hasn't had a ton of experience with those concepts, and I don't think he's comfortable doing things that he hasn't repped or practiced a ton. He's just not a guy you can add new concepts with quickly - if you're negative, you'd say he learns slowly, if you're a fan, it's that he wants to perfect things. Either way, this isn't a QB where you can make massive in season changes on the fly, IMO.

3. I don't for a single second believe Jalen called 4 verts. And if he did, then it's a bigger indictment of the coaching that they went along with it.

4. This is 100% a put up or shut up year for Hurts. They've brought in a new offense, and he'll have all offseason to learn it. Mannion, Grizzard and Johnson - that's a ton of help to try and teach him the new system. If the offense flounders again this year, the Eagles will not extend him and likely look to move him next offseason (via trade, if he waives the NTC). If he excels, then he's getting a large extension and is the QB of the future.

After this year, AJ is basically out of gteed money (if he isn't traded before then), Barkley is basically out of gteed money and Jalen only has a partial guarantee for 2027. The upcoming offseason was always going to be a potential reset on offense.

Ugh.... three more weeks until the draft ???

Seriously ? this waiting sucks.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

100% this. Clearly a Patullo article.

Moreover, the "4 Verts" comments both doesn't pass the smell test as we watched the video AND it's not like we can't find tons of examples of Jalen audibling into the right pla.

Oh yeah - his pre-snap reads are top notch! 🤣 This might literally be his biggest weakness. I can't decide if it's this or post-snap reads. He sucks at both. Going rogue in the most important parts of games to the dumbest plays imaginable is more proof of this.

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Oh yeah - his pre-snap reads are top notch! 🤣 This might literally be his biggest weakness. I can't decide if it's this or post-snap reads. He sucks at both. Going rogue in the most important parts of games to the dumbest plays imaginable is more proof of this.

It's literally the point.

Cherry picking all the bad audibles, and not bringing up the good ones, is trying to paint someone as "uncoachable".

The article may have a lot of stuff from coaches as sources in there, but wouldn't surprise me if it was front office either. I don't know what percentage it is, but there's clearly more than just a couple people in that building who are not Jalen Hurts fans. I don't think it's a coincidence and I don't think it's just sour grapes. The more people who speak out about it, the greater chances that the gripes are legitimate. And it's disconcerting that so many people seem to not be the biggest Jalen Hurts fans.

I think the scheme was a part of it, but only part of it. When you have an offense with that much talent underperform that much there's a lot going on. And when the play calls were that stale and predictable and the complaints across the NFL world were so loud and somehow they were still unable to fix it, I always believed there had to be stubbornness there somewhere. It's far more likely that someone or someones were just stubborn and refusing to change than it is they are so clueless about football they couldn't see that 4 hitches, 4 verts, running into a stacked box, etc weren't working. I knew at some point this traced back to Hurts, Sirianni, Patullo or a combination of the 3 simply not willing to change. It seems a lot of people in the building think it was more Hurts than anyone else.

One of the later round TE options who are still way better than Roush

Seems bizarre given they guaranteed Elliott's money this offseason.