46 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

For those who think the Hurts pick was wasted, we will all find out very quickly if Wentz is getting sacked 5+ times per game.  IMHO having Sudfeld in the game is surely a waste.

Oh yes cause a rookie QB with a limited offseason is clearly going to save the season for the eagles behind that offensive line. He’s as likely to get hurt and look worse as he has less knowledge of the offense and less practice time all training camp and no Real offseason. Burrow who imo is much better of a prospect than hurts struggled yesterday. 
 

if we are talking down the road i could see it. Right now i find that laughable. 

For the record, the only QBs I’d take over Wentz right now for the long haul are Mahomes and Wilson. I’m not going to let one horrible game change that. 

Oh and JJAW having ZERO targets in his second year season opener? 

That's a huge question that I'd fully support the media hounding them over. That makes ZERO sense. 

One more point about the running game, people keep saying we should have ran because we were up 17. It was still the first half. It’s not like we could run out the clock. 

But, after getting the ball back up 17-0: First play we lost 3 yards on a run. Then Goedert lost yardage on a screen. Then we threw on third and long. So we did try to run. 

After forcing a punt, the first play of the drive Wentz was picked. That was with 1:37 left in the first half. That wasn’t the time to pound the ball. 

Washington scores to make it 17-7, and we passed three straight times to try and get a FG at the end of the half. We had two great shots at a deep ball and couldn’t connect. Running there was pointless unless you are a coward. 

We got the ball at the start of the third quarter, and on first down Scott lost 3 yards on a run. Running on 2nd and 13 is suboptimal, obviously. We punted and Washington made it 17-14. 

The next series Wentz is intercepted on the opening play of the series. 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

For the record, the only QBs I’d take over Wentz right now for the long haul are Mahomes and Wilson. I’m not going to let one horrible game change that. 

I haven’t been a Kyler murray fan but watching him at the end of last year and yesterday i think he’s going to be a very good QB. I wouldn’t take him over wentz right now but he definitely was impressive yesterday. 

7 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Don't bother, some peoples entire experience playing and knowledge of football is grabbing a controller and popping in Madden

Football is evolving and we’re learning that some tightly held beliefs aren’t correct. 

It was almost as if you had watched any of the stuff they had worked on a lot at camp this year, they intentionally ran everything they hadn't practiced. 

Every other quick hitter was to JJAW this summer, then you don't even give the guy a chance to catch a ball in live action?  You're having problems running the ball BUT both your tight ends have killed Wash in the first quarter, you don't run them 10-15 yards then out and trail Clement right into the vacant spot? Simple stuff. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Football is evolving and we’re learning that some tightly held beliefs aren’t correct. 

Think of how much football has changed in the last 20 years? Which team has changed the least as far as system and philosophy? Unless I’m not thinking of someone, that team is the Patriots.

 

If the Eagles want to be the Chiefs, they need a new QB.... well maybe that says something about the Hurts pick... 

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Think of how much football has changed in the last 20 years? Which team has changed the least as far as system and philosophy? Unless I’m not thinking of someone, that team is the Patriots.

 

If the Eagles want to be the Chiefs, they need a new QB.... well maybe that says something about the Hurts pick... 

I’m not so sure we can say that about the Patriots. They change week to week. It’s impressive. 

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Wentz should have made sure Scott knew to look inside for the biltzer first.  Scott did not and I think that is on Wentz.  

Like when, in the huddle?

Is he supposed to confirm everyones assignment on every play?

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not so sure we can say that about the Patriots. They change week to week. It’s impressive. 

Ok and that’s part of their system and philosophy. They have Cam now and adjusted to his strength. 
 

The Eagles forgot what helps Wentz thrive and that is a stellar north/south run game. He’s not Mahomes. This team isn’t the Chiefs. 

If Alshon comes back and is the 2018 version of himself then I like the Eagles in 11 personnel. Him, Desean, and Reagor. I’m not going to get all worked over who’s in the slot and the  x, y, z crap. 

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Football is evolving and we’re learning that some tightly held beliefs aren’t correct. 

Evolving is roughly 55--60% pass to 40 ish% run ratio. If you look at last year a majority of the teams winning had a more balanced ratio. Then you look at the most unbalanced teams and they all were crap last season. We had a 26% run ratio yesterday. Thats a losing ratio. Oh and before you say it was because we were tring to come back, we had close to that ratio while we were winning as well. 

You can think all you want the run dont matter in todays game, but it does if you look at the stats of a winning team.  Anything less then 40% running and your losing that game in most cases. Yes the game changed from a 60-70% run game to a more 45 roughly. If we keep only rushing 25-40% of the game we are looking at a top 5 pick this offseason. Thats a losing philosophy. 

27 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Wentz should have made sure Scott knew to look inside for the biltzer first.  Scott did not and I think that is on Wentz.  

I don’t know. If you look at it in real time, then I don’t think there was enough time for that much processing.

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

The Wentz bashing is over the top. Did he have his best game? No. However, no quarterback would have had success behind that OL. The Eagles surrendered 8 sacks yesterday. The next highest total was 4. 

Last year the Eagles suffered 2.6 sacks per game - tied for 15th most in the league. Same QB yet there was an excess of 5 sacks from their average.

 

He threw two picks, at least one looks to me as on him. His placement was poor on many throws.  He was holding the ball too long and not going through his progressions quickly.  He wasn’t throwing his receivers open.   The whole team looked a bit disjointed and not ready but Carson deserves a huge hunk of the blame. His play action needs work.  That’s on Press.

The OL looked uncoordinated but with three players in new spots, that was to be accepted.  That said, I actually see potential in Herbig, Driscoll and Mailata.  The blitz packages confused them quite a bit. Very sloppy by all the players   Looked like the second PS game.  Curious on JR’s take.  The Pryor situation is confusing  Holding him in reserve as the back up LT?

The WRs made some rookie mistakes.  The lack of movement in the O was greatly disappointing.   I really did not see any of the motion we thought we would see.  Looked like we really need some quick slant throws to open up what the speed offers.  The routes are predictable.  And Wentz really needs to throw the WRs into YAC. Way too many high and behind throws.  May be a timing thing. Absolutely the wrong calls for off man coverage.

I don’t know the basis of Ertz’s argument with Howie but his play probably proved Howie’s point.  Awful blocking.  Poor concentration. Goedert was the better TE on the field yesterday. Put on Kelce’s tape from Thursday, Zach.  That is Howie’s point. 
 

 

 

58 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Why could not Pederson see that? The D was playing really well at the beginning of the game. Once the Eagles got up 17-0 you would think he would have more faith in the D and adopt a more conservative strategy for the offense.

Yup one would think. Reminds me of falcons pats Superbowl where falcons were in total control and instead of running came out trying to be aggressive turned the ball over deep in their territory pats score and there goes momentum. 

Sure being aggressive is great and knockout punches or daggers to the heart are great but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Thousand Tiny little cuts will still kill someone and that's what wash team did 13 play 50 yard drives ending in a score is killer. If eagles had come out and put together a slow methodical drive 3 yards at a time ending with a score could be just as demoralizing as a 55 yard bomb.

Doug kept dialing up the kill shot with a 17 point lead and got burned🤬

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

This makes Andy Reid sad😭

 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

if there's one thing i miss about the old andy days, it was the screen game.  i KNEW they were coming, heck i could call most of them from my couch..  and i could, i knew opposing defensive coordinators or players on the field saw what i did..  but they were successful more times than not.  ever since he left, i felt like our screen game hasn't been the same.

sunday's woes could be attributed to our o'line though.  it's not like we're fielding the talent which we had a couple years ago.  heck, some of the guys seeing the field were only put there cause we are so thin and talent starved.

hopefully it'll get better when lane in there, but i think he can only do so much.  peters' side of the line is the side to worry about now.  and as good as kelce is pulling and sweeping..  he IS undersized and not built to hold up at the point of attack.  he can get leverage for a bit, but counting on him holding the line and to fend off a bull-rush is asking for negative yardage.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I called the 2 HB screens before they broke the huddle cause its the same old 2nd and long call a Doug Hb screen. The Skins tackled for a loss each time cause they know Dougs instincts. The new coaches added didnt have much of a effect as of yet. Still was the same old, same old. 

I will say, I hate the WR screen play in todays NFL. In most cases its a tackle for a loss or no yards. DBs and LBs are just too fast now for it to be effective. That should be taken out of the playbook unless the defense is dropping back its DBs 20 yards. 

The play design just hasn't been good for a few years. Even small things like why the F do they keep running comeback routes toward the sideline when Wentz's most inaccurate kinds of throws every year he's been in the league are those sideline routes? He's way off on those. Always has been. You gotta run them sometimes, but right before the end of the half when you want to be safe with the football?

Why the F don't they roll Wentz out?

What's up with all the horizontal play BS?

 

I'm beginning to think Doug and Wentz just aren't on the same page. Doug probably thinks Wentz is lacking greatly in specific areas of being a QB and tailors his gameplan around it, limiting what the offense can do. Otherwise, why would the offense look so drastically different every time Foles came in under Doug? It was always way more precise, controlled, meticulous, and less erratic.

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I think it was Kist and Solak that said they were just running the exact same screens that Seattle was calling out last year

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I called the 2 HB screens before they broke the huddle cause its the same old 2nd and long call a Doug Hb screen. The Skins tackled for a loss each time cause they know Dougs instincts. The new coaches added didnt have much of a effect as of yet. Still was the same old, same old. 

I will say, I hate the WR screen play in todays NFL. In most cases its a tackle for a loss or no yards. DBs and LBs are just too fast now for it to be effective. That should be taken out of the playbook unless the defense is dropping back its DBs 20 yards. 

i will say NOTHING burns me more than to be at 2nd / 3rd and 2...  get cute, do a wr screen...  and end up in 3rd / 4th and 4.

but i keep seeing it done and it astounds me why...  even if it worked 1/100 times...  and somehow scores on that 1/100 times...  is it worth the other 99 times it failed?

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The play design just hasn't been good for a few years. Even small things like why the F do they keep running comeback routes toward the sideline when Wentz's most inaccurate kinds of throws every year he's been in the league are those sideline routes? He's way off on those. Always has been. You gotta run them sometimes, but right before the end of the half when you want to be safe with the football?

Why the F don't they roll Wentz out?

What's up with all the horizontal play BS?

 

I'm beginning to think Doug and Wentz just aren't on the same page. Doug probably thinks Wentz is lacking greatly in specific areas of being a QB and tailors his gameplan around it, limiting what the offense can do. Otherwise, why would the offense look so drastically different every time Foles came in under Doug? It was always way more precise, controlled, meticulous, and less erratic.

Sadly Ive said this for a while, Doug is just not a good OC. I like him as a HC, a motivator, but I dont trust his play calling etc. However I think Lurie will ride Doug for a long time cause of the SB win. I wish he could just get his ego in check and realize that maybe someone else could be better at calling the game, scripting, game planning and just be a HC like Coughlin and Belicheat did. Worked in 2017 when he gave away game planning and scripting(aka play calling for first 15-16 plays) result was the number 1 off in the league, highest points in the first half, balanced offense, number 1 in time of possession and a SB winning season. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think it was Kist and Solak that said they were just running the exact same screens that Seattle was calling out last year

Not particularly shocking. It really feels like this team since the super bowl year doesn’t have the lightbulb moment until around thanksgiving 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not particularly shocking. It really feels like this team since the super bowl year doesn’t have the lightbulb moment until around thanksgiving 

We didnt have that light bulb last year or the year before at any point of the season. We just got very lucky that our oppts were really bad. We won but they were mostly all very ugly games vs poor teams.