44 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

This team is a such a laughable mess.  Carson played his a** off, but contributed to the mess at times by pressing too hard and not playing smart.  However, when he needs to be on it, the kid is on it and takes his team on his back.  He just needs a little better coaching and some better and consistent talent around him to put less pressure on him.  Some of Doug's coaching decisions felt desperate and generic and were detrimental to his team.

I don't see why the team are so high on Opeta. Looked lost out there and marginally better than Brown.  Lane did what he did for the team, but will affect his longevity? 

That said, the Giants are an even bigger mess aren't they?  You could see Jones starting to blowing up on that run when he looked at the big screen.  That play epitomises that franchise.

I'm not sure that the team remained high on Opeta.  Brooks went down, they brought in Peters.  When Peters went down they went to Herbig.  When Herbig had to shift to LG, they went to Pryor.  When Pryor was out they went to Brown.  Only after all of those didn't work out, did they finally turn to get Opeta on the field at LG, moving Herbig back to RG. 

You could argue that Opeta is a LG only ... but, what's the point in a backup OG that can only play on position?    I don't think that the team is really high on Opeta at all... they might have been at one time, but that time was a long time ago it seems.

The playcalling was downright embarrassing after the first quarter.  I actually feared that Doug would come out conservative after the first half and I felt like he did.  It was like they emptied their bag of tricks and then had nothing.  I kept wondering if they were just saving plays, but not when youre on the brink of defeat like that--its clear theyre just out of ideas

They need to stop the Jalen Hurts in-for-one-random-play nonsense.  Its pointless and screams that they're just trying to justify the pick

As a Wentz Washer I will say that his interception was baffling.  My reaction was "oh good he threw it away....wait, what???"

Take away that throw and he had a great game.  There were some throws he missed...Fulgham on the sidelines early, a few others.  But I do think some of them you might chalk up to receivers just not being on the same page.  There was a throw Wentz had to rush toward the sideline to Ward and it looked way short, but Ward never turned around.  Wonder if he was thinking Ward would cut it short due.  Also the dumpoff to Huntley, Huntley barely turned around to see it.  They need to work out these issues asap considering the state of the OL

Robey Coleman needs benched

That may have been Nate Gerrys best game, he was attacking way more than dropping and it made a big difference.

I dont know why everyone is so quick to dismiss DJ.  He clearly had a huge impact in the offense.  It sucks that hes in and out but we can definitely use him.  His reputation alone opens up easy throws

We have to figure out the short yardage stuff, its killing us.  The NFL has adjusted to the QB sneaks. Time to counter.

42 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

i think this proves that MPH/40 times and such are vastly overrated.  You're telling me that Daniel Jones with his 4.82 is faster than Lamar Jackson's 4.34 or Kyler Murray's 4.31??

Difference between quickness (how fast you can get to top speed or change directions) VS Overall Top Speed 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The playcalling was downright embarrassing after the first quarter.  I actually feared that Doug would come out conservative after the first half and I felt like he did.  It was like they emptied their bag of tricks and then had nothing.  I kept wondering if they were just saving plays, but not when youre on the brink of defeat like that--its clear theyre just out of ideas

They need to stop the Jalen Hurts in-for-one-random-play nonsense.  Its pointless and screams that they're just trying to justify the pick

As a Wentz Washer I will say that his interception was baffling.  My reaction was "oh good he threw it away....wait, what???"

Take away that throw and he had a great game.  There were some throws he missed...Fulgham on the sidelines early, a few others.  But I do think some of them you might chalk up to receivers just not being on the same page.  There was a throw Wentz had to rush toward the sideline to Ward and it looked way short, but Ward never turned around.  Wonder if he was thinking Ward would cut it short due.  Also the dumpoff to Huntley, Huntley barely turned around to see it.  They need to work out these issues asap considering the state of the OL

Robey Coleman needs benched

That may have been Nate Gerrys best game, he was attacking way more than dropping and it made a big difference.

I dont know why everyone is so quick to dismiss DJ.  He clearly had a huge impact in the offense.  It sucks that hes in and out but we can definitely use him.  His reputation alone opens up easy throws

We have to figure out the short yardage stuff, its killing us.  The NFL has adjusted to the QB sneaks. Time to counter.

Take away that throw AND the one across the field.  Yes, Fulgham almost caught it.  But, a Giant defender also almost caught it.  Just a really stupid throw, and one that QBs are taught from Day 1, never throw against your body like that.  That was a disaster waiting to happen... and even if completed it was a huge risk for maybe 8-10 yards.  Not worth the risk there, especially on 1st down, I believe it was.

 

But, I too thought that the INT was a throw away... just a really bad one.  If it was meant as a 50/50 ball to Hightower then he needs to know his teammates better.  50/50 ball to Fulgham?  Yes.  50/50 ball to Goedert? Yes.  50/50 ball to Ward? Maybe.   50/50 ball to Hightower? Never!  (At least not THIS year.)

56 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

So Vinny Curry played 20 snaps and Avery played 0.  Curry played OK but I just hate seeing guys who need to develop pushed down for a guy with no future here.  That's a 4th round pick wasted.

Keep in mind Curry drew a huge holding call on Hernandez on the final drive, then recovered Jones’ fumble.

I get what you’re saying, but Curry is a better player than many in here give him credit for 

I’ll give em 5 wins

So Jackson is in a boot

10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

They need to stop the Jalen Hurts in-for-one-random-play nonsense.  Its pointless and screams that they're just trying to justify the pick

They need to have Hurts throw the ball at this point to make those plays more effective.  The Giants have a solid run defense, and they sold out to the run whenever Hurts took the snap.

If he would have had a one-read throw available I think it makes him tougher to defend 

I feel bad for Jackson. A dirty hit is likely ending his season.

high ankle sprain for Desean

4-6 weeks if no surgery

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Take away that throw AND the one across the field.  Yes, Fulgham almost caught it.  But, a Giant defender also almost caught it.  Just a really stupid throw, and one that QBs are taught from Day 1, never throw against your body like that.  That was a disaster waiting to happen... and even if completed it was a huge risk for maybe 8-10 yards.  Not worth the risk there, especially on 1st down, I believe it was.

 

But, I too thought that the INT was a throw away... just a really bad one.  If it was meant as a 50/50 ball to Hightower then he needs to know his teammates better.  50/50 ball to Fulgham?  Yes.  50/50 ball to Goedert? Yes.  50/50 ball to Ward? Maybe.   50/50 ball to Hightower? Never!  (At least not THIS year.)

Im not as crazy about the first one.  I know it was risky, probably too risky for that game situation.  But its not like he threw it up for grabs, it hit Fulgham in the hands.  It is a QB no no to throw it across the field, though, so I understand the critique.  Fulgham should be more open to try that throw.

The interception was definitely a 50/50 ball.  You saw a flash where maybe he could see Hightower getting behind his man.  But it was just a flash that instantly closed.  Im sure he would want that throw back, took points off the board, would have been 3rd and 15 if he threw it into the bleachers

With Jackson out, this would be the perfect time to get Watkins some reps.  He even has an extended break until next game to get up to speed.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

They need to have Hurts throw the ball at this point to make those plays more effective.  The Giants have a solid run defense, and they sold out to the run whenever Hurts took the snap.

If he would have had a one-read throw available I think it makes him tougher to defend 

But ....why?

If Wentz cant figure this stuff out, Hurts isnt going to do it.  Its gimmicky.  Ok, sometimes gimmicks work.  

And many times they come in, gain a yard, and just hand a 2nd and 9 to Wentz.  

And for Wentz' entire career he has always been good in the RZ.   Now we're just pissing away plays trying to jam Hurts into the game.   Just get Wentz into space and let him find an open reciever.  Dont overthink it

Trying to be like the Saints with Hill was a stupid idea by Howie IMO

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

With Jackson out, this would be the perfect time to get Watkins some reps.  He even has an extended break until next game to get up to speed.

Well he pretty much has to play now, if Alshon still is a no-go. They only have 5 receivers with Alshon, Desean and Reagor out.

8 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

And how are they not related?

An ineffective OL, no TEs, no lead RB.

Available talent is not the only reason for RZ struggles, but it's the biggest one.  

They are related, but they are not coincident. The OL was bad, but the team managed to move the ball between the twenties. Once they reached the red zone, the play calling fell apart.

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Keep in mind Curry drew a huge holding call on Hernandez on the final drive, then recovered Jones’ fumble.

I get what you’re saying, but Curry is a better player than many in here give him credit for 

Yup.  He's a notch down from Graham, but he's really good, AND... unlike Avery, he offers positional versatility.  He can move inside and give you inside pass rush.  Avery is an outside speed guy, pretty much exclusively.

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

I feel bad for Jackson. A dirty hit is likely ending his season.

Might be more likely to end his career.  He won't be back here, and the question is, does another team pick up a guy who's played so limited the last two seasons and is over 30...

Alshon is probably ready and they'll slide him right into Desean's roster spot, but the issue is that he adds nothing.

Fulgham and Alshon do the same thing, except Fulgham moves better.

 

One day i'm gonna learn not to quit watching an Eagles Giants game until the end. 

Yeah i missed the end of the Jackson walkoff punt return game too

 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

But ....why?

If Wentz cant figure this stuff out, Hurts isnt going to do it.  Its gimmicky.  Ok, sometimes gimmicks work.  

And many times they come in, gain a yard, and just hand a 2nd and 9 to Wentz.  

And for Wentz' entire career he has always been good in the RZ.   Now we're just pissing away plays trying to jam Hurts into the game.   Just get Wentz into space and let him find an open reciever.  Dont overthink it

I don’t believe the alignment they’re using works very well — Hurts at QB and Wentz out wide at WR.  Wentz doesn’t run patterns and isn’t presented as a receiving target.  I’ve been saying since the start IMO the proper alignment is Wentz in the shotgun with Hurts beside him — at least make the defense have to account for either guy getting the snap.

In fairness, up to this week some of the plays for Hurts have worked pretty well.  The Giants are an indication that defenses are adjusting, so Doug needs to install the next progression to keep the defense off balance 

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

But ....why?

If Wentz cant figure this stuff out, Hurts isnt going to do it.  Its gimmicky.  Ok, sometimes gimmicks work.  

And many times they come in, gain a yard, and just hand a 2nd and 9 to Wentz.  

And for Wentz' entire career he has always been good in the RZ.   Now we're just pissing away plays trying to jam Hurts into the game.   Just get Wentz into space and let him find an open reciever.  Dont overthink it

Yup.

Eagles don't seem to take the hint when someone is breaking down.

Just now, metal said:

 

He shouldn't have even started if he wasn't healthy from the ankle injury. Dumb move by Stoutland and Doug

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

They are related, but they are not coincident. The OL was bad, but the team managed to move the ball between the twenties. Once they reached the red zone, the play calling fell apart.

The field is condensed in the red zone.  Our defense might not reflect it, but its tougher to gain yards, especially running the ball in the red zone if the OL are garbage.   And this team, when it was clicking on all cylinders, was highly TE dependent in the red zone.  Now we are down our top 2 TEs and are throwing in a guy who is switching positions to TE to have the personnel package now.