You can silver line Wentz if you want.  I wouldn't agree with all of it...but it's just noise and semantics.  Can you argue that his mechanics desperately need to improve, that he might never be good enough?  Sure.  However, the bottom line is that everyone wants to see him under center in 2021 with a better roster.  So we might as well just move on with the QB discussion.  

 

The rest of them...I think last night showed the country, the fans, and the owner that...win or lose, playoffs or not...this is a horrible team.  It was built poorly, coached poorly, and is the downstream result of innumerable bad decisions in the draft, in FA, with contracts, and with coaching.  You can't cover that stink.  I think the Eagles are smart enough that they won't even try to dress up this pig in the offseason with the status quo.  This may be the worst Eagles team we have seen since 1998.  And I don't think a division title is going to be enough for the owner to deny that or sell it as anything else.

While teams blow draft picks all the time, the reward for enduring a team this bad is usually a breath of fresh air and an exciting draft pick.  It's frustrating that we will get the hideous team with none of the offseason change or hope.

 

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's what happens when you overcompensate for another injury.   That said, I respect him for the effort.  That OL needed him out there, and despite being hobbled, he was steady at RT.  Pryor struggled to line up correctly on his first freaking snap.

Not necessarily. Depends on how the injury occurred. I don’t remember seeing a replay of it. 

This was probably Mailatas worse game, especially the first half. It didn't help having Opeta next to him but he looked slow.

11 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Duke Riley looked decent last night.

So that's the new standard?  Decent?

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So it's better to constantly 1 and done

It's better to watch them win a game whenever they play it.

 

Lurie sees what's happening, and I don't think he is stupid nor unaware of things.  If he feels a change is needed, I believe he will make it.  So, this really comes down to how bad is bad enough for Lurie to pull the plug.  Personally, I think he's far smarter than people give him credit for.  He pulled the plug on Chip at the right time.  We'd seen enough by that point, so had he.  He might have waited one or two years too long with AR.  But, its not like AR was a bad coach.  He's proven in KC that he is a GREAT coach.  He'll be in the HoF one day, for sure.   But, it had run its course here.   And I think that Doug is still a good coach, but as Wentz is playing with one hand tied behind his back with this offense, Doug is equally scheming with one hand behind his back.   Creativity is limited when week to week the personnel changes so frequently, that's just reality.   You can't do exotic stuff while the new guys don't even know the basics.   But, we moan and complain about schemes and executions... well both of them are linked.  The more exotic the scheme the harder the execution.  But, can you trust Jamon Brown and Sua Opeta to hold up reliably to allow for exotic schemes?  Your TEs now included two guys that didn't start the offseason with this team, but were added later out of necessity.   Our best WR was a late addition to this roster as well.

 

If you want to look at Howie, go ahead.  He's the one giving away big and bad contracts to aging, injured players.  I fully believe that Doug does not get to shop for the groceries, but he's forced to cook with them.  And I don't think Lurie is blind to the continued mistaken emphasis on aging injury prone players and bad contracts.  I think Howie is on the hot seat regardless of the team's success.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

So that's the new standard?  Decent?

Its a step up from atrocious.

I’m curious if Mailata got less help than usual since the Giants have terrible edge rushers. 

29 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's what happens when you overcompensate for another injury.   That said, I respect him for the effort.  That OL needed him out there, and despite being hobbled, he was steady at RT.  Pryor struggled to line up correctly on his first freaking snap.

Lane's injury was more predictable than Desean's.  I posted 5x last night before the injury that they were going to cart Lane off if they didn't pull him while he could still walk.  Great effort by Lane, horrible work from the coaches and staff for allowing him to be out there.  Absolutely tragic.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So that's the new standard?  Decent?

Considering the effort we put into building this LB corps, that would be a fair standard. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I’m curious if Mailata got less help than usual since the Giants have terrible edge rushers. 

That LG was chipping Mailata's edge rusher all night.  Didn't look like too much TE help though.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Not necessarily. Depends on how the injury occurred. I don’t remember seeing a replay of it. 

I believe it was on the failed 4th down attempt to Butler.  

 

But, I also think they couldn't find something to show.  He went down on the first drive and there wasn't a 'cause'... to it then either.  It was just 'he has pain', but there wasn't any specific trigger for it.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Lane's injury was more predictable than Desean's.  I posted 5x last night before the injury that they were going to cart Lane off if they didn't pull him while he could still walk.  Great effort by Lane, horrible work from the coaches and staff for allowing him to be out there.  Absolutely tragic.

Warrior mentality of players (especially certain players) runs deep.  Sometimes the coaches and medical people have to save them from themselves.  Lane is tough to say no to though.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I believe it was on the failed 4th down attempt to Butler.  

 

But, I also think they couldn't find something to show.  He went down on the first drive and there wasn't a 'cause'... to it then either.  It was just 'he has pain', but there wasn't any specific trigger for it.

I think someone fell on his leg.  But to your point, even if he isn't compensating during a play, the leg is less resilient to the inevitable contact.

Good to have a win, but man...we need more depth at the o-line. Although it’s rare to have so many injuries at o-line. 

3 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Absolutely right on the hit, but I'm not sure that exposing him after years of being gimpy was a perfect call.

Complaining about Jackson being the punt returner at that moment is sort of like complaining about giving up an empty net goal after pulling your goalie in the last minute. You're losing...it's desperation time...you have to take a risk to try to win the game.

Just now, dawkdaballhawk said:

Good to have a win, but man...we need more depth at the o-line. Although it’s rare to have so many injuries at o-line. 

The problem along the OL isn't the depth, it's the starters.  I think the depth is pretty damn good.

Lane and Brooks will never play together for more than 8 games in a season again (and that may be an optimistic number).  So that right side of the OL is permanently fragmented, despite our massive financial obligations to them.

I think we need new starters, not more depth.

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

The problem along the OL isn't the depth, it's the starters.  I think the depth is pretty damn good.

Agreed.  4 of the 5 guys playing are the back ups.  If 1 or 2 are playing it’s different.  But you can’t have your whole line be the back ups.

1 minute ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Good to have a win, but man...we need more depth at the o-line. Although it’s rare to have so many injuries at o-line. 

Peters
Seumalo
Kelce
Herbig
Driscoll
Johnson
Pryor
Mailata
Juriga
Brown
Toth
Opeta

Brooks
Dillard

Did I miss anyone?

4 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Complaining about Jackson being the punt returner at that moment is sort of like complaining about giving up an empty net goal after pulling your goalie in the last minute. You're losing...it's desperation time...you have to take a risk to try to win the game.

Those 15 yards were a momentum swing too.  Either our season could be over right now and Desean could go on IR 1 week later, or we could put the best punt returner on the team out there to risk injury and save the season.

I think it would have been silly to put Ward Mahe out there.  What on Earth were we saving Desean for?  This is why I don't want Reagor returning punts.  Desean...send him out there and get what you can get, when you can get it.

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

21st pick here we come, disaster. 

*19th 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

When Reagor comes back, he's likely the punt returner, and has some juice.  Greg Ward is Reno Mahe back there.  

I don't know about that comparison. While they are/were both reliable, Mahe almost always made the first guy miss. For reals. With Ward, not so much. 

9 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

Good to have a win, but man...we need more depth at the o-line. Although it’s rare to have so many injuries at o-line. 

They've lost: 
Brooks, Dillard, Seumalo, Johnson, Driscoll, and Peters.   How much OL depth can one team theoretically KEEP on their roster/practice squad?  

That's an entire starting OL they've lost, minus the center... plus 2 backups.  and even lost another backup to Covid for a week.

So looks like DeSean may have played his last game with the Eagles.  Thanks for the memories!!

24 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Only coaching staff changes we've constantly had is QB coach, WR coach, and OC

Don't think there's been any changes besides Douglas leaving the FO

I'm not saying we have, I am saying when you do have constant turnover, you end up constantly losing. One begets the other.   

And in my mind our biggest loss since 2017 was Frank Reich. But overall the fact that we have had consistency  in continuity has helped us be as successful as we have been. It would be worse if we had changed coaching staff this year.  

12 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think someone fell on his leg.  But to your point, even if he isn't compensating during a play, the leg is less resilient to the inevitable contact.

Perhaps, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame the ankle for the knee either, especially if someone fell into his knee.