4 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Like McNabb in his early years. 

Mcnabbs early years always had good to great O lines, good running game and great defenses.

Mcnabb never threw for 350 yards behind  an OL made up of 3rdstringers while throwing to a bunch of rookies and street FA.

He at least had continuity and stability.

What Carson has been able to do with a constant revolving door at O line and WR has been admiral

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

is it possible Nathan Gerry isn't as bad as we think?

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

OK I'm preparing for backlash on this one but is it possible Nathan Gerry isn't as bad as we think?  He played his best game possibly of his career on Thursday but it appeared that he was attacking the entire game.  Are the Eagles just misusing him?  We all know that he sucks in coverage and is often out of position but he flashed a bit and played behind the LOS.  

He clearly has some sort of talent but he just doesn't fit any certain position because every position will expose some sort of weakness in his game.  

With all that being said, he 100% is the worst player on defense and is helping them lose games.  Just think there has to be a creative way to use him as a blitzer or something.  Maybe he just needs to be a Bryan Braman ST demon sort of player?  Such a confusing player, like many of us have discussed how does a safety move to LB and become worse in coverage?

I said yesterday if you put him in a position where he has to think he's REALLY bad. Tell him to attack and not have to think about what he's doing and he might be servicable. 

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Why trade for a lineman.  Go get Quinton Spain.

I don't know much about Spain but big red flags if a team he was pretty much starting for and playing seemingly well minus an injury cut him and no one has touched him yet.  You have the Eagles and Cowboys, 2 teams desperate for O-line help and neither has called.  Something has to be up there.

Regarding a trade for a lineman.  The complaint I see a lot is the Eagles lack depth.  That couldn't be further from the truth.  We are playing with the depth right now.  We have 4 starter out.  you typically carry 8-10 lineman so we are already at our 9th but have played even those backups backups.  

Dillard, Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson

JP, Herbig, Pryor, Driscoll, Opeta, Brown, Mailata

Am I forgetting anyone?  That's 12 lineman they have gone through.  Dillard and Brooks were done before the season so at least 10 0-lineman have played this year.  That is a testament to the depth they have.

If they trade for an o-lineman (I hope they don't), then it better be a LG or RG who is 24-26 who we can lock up for the next 5-7 years.  No rentals needed with the players coming back and the players currently developing.

 

3 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I said yesterday if you put him in a position where he has to think he's REALLY bad. Tell him to attack and not have to think about what he's doing and he might be servicable. 

What position would that be though?  Seems like an old fashioned WLB minus the coverage responsibilities. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What position would that be though?  Seems like an old fashioned WLB minus the coverage responsibilities. 

That's pretty much it. Designated blitzer on passing downs.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't know much about Spain but big red flags if a team he was pretty much starting for and playing seemingly well minus an injury cut him and no one has touched him yet.  You have the Eagles and Cowboys, 2 teams desperate for O-line help and neither has called.  Something has to be up there.

He was made the swing guard because they wanted to go with Cody Ford.

He was released because he was unhappy about playing.  I do not blame him for being unhappy.

On April 3, 2019, Spain signed a one-year contract with the Buffalo Bills.^[5] During the 2019 season, Spain would start in all 16 games for the Bills, playing every offensive snap, committing only four penalties and not allowing a single sack.

Nate Gerry is bad in coverage, bad against the run, often out of position, can't lineup his teammates like other vets and needs to be schemed up for production. 

But the LB coach likes him.

As tough as the last couple seasons have been for Wentz, it's also good for his development.

Put a young QB behind a great OL with targets that get open consistently, he'll put up great numbers, but won't be prepared for the playoffs, when you play good defensive teams almost every round, and you no longer have the time and easy throws you've taken for granted - see the Rams in the SB.

Wentz is being forced to speed up his decision making, throw into tight windows, improve his feel for pocket pressure (since he faces it almost every play). He's making mistakes, but also learning - when he gets his OL back, and his young WRs improve, he'll feel like the game is happening in slow motion. And the playoffs won't feel any different, it you can put up points against Baltimore and Pittsburgh with the crap surrounding him, who is going to intimidate him in the post-season?

Which is why I suspect every HC in the NFC wants to avoid a healthy Eagles team in the post-season.

Speaking of Nate, I'll give you a nate who can actually play the mlb position, 3 down guy.

Nate Landman , plays for the buffs...late 3rd rd pick

Actually a good draft if your in need of a backer 

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't know much about Spain but big red flags if a team he was pretty much starting for and playing seemingly well minus an injury cut him and no one has touched him yet.  You have the Eagles and Cowboys, 2 teams desperate for O-line help and neither has called.  Something has to be up there.

Regarding a trade for a lineman.  The complaint I see a lot is the Eagles lack depth.  That couldn't be further from the truth.  We are playing with the depth right now.  We have 4 starter out.  you typically carry 8-10 lineman so we are already at our 9th but have played even those backups backups.  

Dillard, Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson

JP, Herbig, Pryor, Driscoll, Opeta, Brown, Mailata

Am I forgetting anyone?  That's 12 lineman they have gone through.  Dillard and Brooks were done before the season so at least 10 0-lineman have played this year.  That is a testament to the depth they have.

If they trade for an o-lineman (I hope they don't), then it better be a LG or RG who is 24-26 who we can lock up for the next 5-7 years.  No rentals needed with the players coming back and the players currently developing.

 

Re the OL, the team should focus on the young players going forward.  Kelce and Johnson can carry over, though Kelce may not play longer than next season.  Brooks is unsure from the recovery.  Peters is done.  Not sure what to make of Brown.  He was a disaster on that game, but they brought him back on PS. 

Dillard is in the young group, but he is unproven.  Toth is another OT to evaluate.  Encouraged by the young ones in recent games.  Keep playing them this season and find out who can be the building blocks.  Not keen on trading for OL this season.  Go with the draft to add talents, also the off-season FA.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

As tough as the last couple seasons have been for Wentz, it's also good for his development.

Put a young QB behind a great OL with targets that get open consistently, he'll put up great numbers, but won't be prepared for the playoffs, when you play good defensive teams almost every round, and you no longer have the time and easy throws you've taken for granted - see the Rams in the SB.

Wentz is being forced to speed up his decision making, throw into tight windows, improve his feel for pocket pressure (since he faces it almost every play). He's making mistakes, but also learning - when he gets his OL back, and his young WRs improve, he'll feel like the game is happening in slow motion. And the playoffs won't feel any different, it you can put up points against Baltimore and Pittsburgh with the crap surrounding him, who is going to intimidate him in the post-season?

Which is why I suspect every HC in the NFC wants to avoid a healthy Eagles team in the post-season.

Yup. If anything it's shown Carson won't fold under duress. He's taken the most hits and sacks of any qb this year all while throwing to a bunch of guys off the PS with a minimal running game as well. Lesser qbs would and have folded yet Carson keeps getting up and fighting.

If anything the guy is tough and a fighter which is something admirable to fans and teammates.

If he can get some stability in front of him maybe he can have some more stable production as well.

5 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Like McNabb in his early years. 

Not even remotely close.  McNabb always had an OL to rely on, and solid RBs, Duce, Buckhalter and then Westbrook.  And, he had a much better defense, dramtically better, so he could scrape togther 17-20 points and it was a W, not a L.  McNabb only ever struggled with bottom tier Wars early, but that group was at least NFL caliber.  Last season and a half, Wentz has had to rely on PS players at WR.  Not remotely the same.

 

I forgot about Toth.  That's 13 O-lineman this year.  I agree but I think Brown can hit the streets.  There was nothing and I mean nothing during the Ravens game that showed me oh he might have it or he can build from this.  He is trash.  

Mailata, Herbig, Driscoll are the 3 most important young o-lineman right now for this season.  I have no idea about Dillard and what becomes of him.  One of Toth and Pryor need to develop into the swing tackle.  Opeta, for all the trouble the went through to keep him wasn't encouraging at all.  

Brandon Brooks is a total wildcard.  He looks to be in ridiculous shape.  He looks like Aaron Donald.  I mean that's insane for an OG.  If he can stay healthy, I want him playing RG for the next 7 years.  

There are so many directions the o-line can go.

LT- Mailata or Dillard?  LG- Herbig/Seumalo? C-Kelce/retire? RG- Brooks/Driscoll RT- Johnson/Mailata/Dillard?

 

 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup. If anything it's shown Carson won't fold under duress. He's taken the most hits and sacks of any qb this year all while throwing to a bunch of guys off the PS with a minimal running game as well. Lesser qbs would and have folded yet Carson keeps getting up and fighting.

If anything the guy is tough and a fighter which is something admirable to fans and teammates.

If he can get some stability in front of him maybe he can have some more stable production as well.

Strangely, the Eagles are like 4th in rushing.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Strangely, the Eagles are like 4th in rushing.

14th in yards per game. Given the OL issues, and Sanders missed 2 games, that's pretty good/

We're also 1st in sacks (for now, having played an extra game). 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

OK I'm preparing for backlash on this one but is it possible Nathan Gerry isn't as bad as we think? 

Ban.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

14th in yards per game. Given the OL issues, and Sanders missed 2 games, that's pretty good/

We're also 1st in sacks (for now, having played an extra game). 

Yeah, I guess the stat was a little skewed due to the extra game.   But, even middle of the road running is highly surprising.  Sanders big run (80 yards) and Wentz scamper for 40 the other night no doubt are really helping those numbers.  Yet, in the Steelers game, the running game was far from efficient, just hit on that one perfect call and execution at the right time.  Even serendipitous for JJAW to be there for the fumble recovery.  But, this running game has been very far from something they could lean on.  In 2017, they leaned heavily on the run and it made everything work.   This year... not so much.  And the lack of it changes everything.

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 

 If he can stay healthy, I want him playing RG for the next 7 years.  

 

 

Yea, that’s not going to happen.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

OK I'm preparing for backlash on this one but is it possible Nathan Gerry isn't as bad as we think?  He played his best game possibly of his career on Thursday but it appeared that he was attacking the entire game.  Are the Eagles just misusing him?  We all know that he sucks in coverage and is often out of position but he flashed a bit and played behind the LOS.  

He clearly has some sort of talent but he just doesn't fit any certain position because every position will expose some sort of weakness in his game.  

With all that being said, he 100% is the worst player on defense and is helping them lose games.  Just think there has to be a creative way to use him as a blitzer or something.  Maybe he just needs to be a Bryan Braman ST demon sort of player?  Such a confusing player, like many of us have discussed how does a safety move to LB and become worse in coverage?

If there is a way to misuse a player rest assured the Eagles are doing it.  

43 minutes ago, RLC said:

Nate Gerry is bad in coverage, bad against the run, often out of position, can't lineup his teammates like other vets and needs to be schemed up for production. 

But the LB coach likes him.

I have to push back on this. Their livelihoods are at stake. Schwartz and Flajole aren’t playing Gerry because they think he’s fun at parties. There have to be other factors at play that we can’t see from our couches. 

57 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Dillard, Seumalo, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson

JP, Herbig, Pryor, Driscoll, Opeta, Brown, Mailata

Am I forgetting anyone?  That's 12 lineman they have gone through. 

Toth. 

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah, I guess the stat was a little skewed due to the extra game.   But, even middle of the road running is highly surprising.  Sanders big run (80 yards) and Wentz scamper for 40 the other night no doubt are really helping those numbers.  Yet, in the Steelers game, the running game was far from efficient, just hit on that one perfect call and execution at the right time.  Even serendipitous for JJAW to be there for the fumble recovery.  But, this running game has been very far from something they could lean on.  In 2017, they leaned heavily on the run and it made everything work.   This year... not so much.  And the lack of it changes everything.

Yep. The ground game has been really bad outside of about three long runs and the Rams game, where they were content in two-high safeties. 

Big 10 is back, hoping gophers beat mich...big fan of tanner morgan

He’s a JAG though...