1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Why trade for a lineman.  Go get Quinton Spain.

I feel better that no ones picked him up. Must be something we don't know about

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

OK I'm preparing for backlash on this one but is it possible Nathan Gerry isn't as bad as we think?  He played his best game possibly of his career on Thursday but it appeared that he was attacking the entire game.  Are the Eagles just misusing him?  We all know that he sucks in coverage and is often out of position but he flashed a bit and played behind the LOS.  

He clearly has some sort of talent but he just doesn't fit any certain position because every position will expose some sort of weakness in his game.  

With all that being said, he 100% is the worst player on defense and is helping them lose games.  Just think there has to be a creative way to use him as a blitzer or something.  Maybe he just needs to be a Bryan Braman ST demon sort of player?  Such a confusing player, like many of us have discussed how does a safety move to LB and become worse in coverage?

The one attribute that would make Gerry a valuable player despite his shortcomings would be for him to be a solid tackler.  He just does not tackle well.  He takes bad angles and will not sell out to make a tackle.  I could live with his other shortcomings if he played this better.  I do agree that he played better as a blitzer.  I wonder if Shaun Bradley or Davion Taylor, wouldn't have hit home on more of those blitzes.  

Please sell Nate Gerry  @Eagles

 

12 hours ago, downundermike said:

James Harrison came off the practice squad.  He played in NFL Europe and was on and off practice squads.  Kurt Warner played in the arena league and NFL Europe.    We had Jamal Jackson and Quinton Mikell elevate from PS to good starters.   All were UDFAs. Do I care that Greg Ward elevated his ability as a WR on the PS and in the AAF as long as he performs?  JJAW was a second round pick and Ward is outperforming him.  Travis Fulgham was a sixth round WR on and off the roster/PS for the Lions last year because he was green and maybe a little unfocused.  The wake up call of being cut and then cut again by Green Bay has benefitted the Eagles.   I could give a rat’s a$$ whether he was a sixth rounder or spent time on the PS, as long as he delivers. This focus on where players started their NFL careers is nuts.  It is where the player ends up.  It is the desire to improve every day.  It is Larry Bird going home to French Lick and adding something to his game every summer. Do we think that Ben Roethlisberger cares that his blind side is protected by a guy who served his time in the military after failed attempts at TE with the Bengals and Bears, got out and Chip tried to convert him Into a DE,  that served time on the Steelers PS or that Villanueva plays at a high level and keeps him clean?

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

James Harrison came off the practice squad.  He played in NFL Europe and was on and off practice squads.  Kurt Warner played in the arena league and NFL Europe.    We had Jamal Jackson and Quinton Mikell elevate from PS to good starters.   All were UDFAs. Do I care that Greg Ward elevated his ability as a WR on the PS and in the AAF as long as he performs?  JJAW was a second round pick and Ward is outperforming him.  Travis Fulgham was a sixth round WR on and off the roster/PS for the Lions last year because he was green and maybe a little unfocused.  The wake up call of being cut and then cut again by Green Bay has benefitted the Eagles.   I could give a rat’s a$$ whether he was a sixth rounder or spent time on the PS, as long as he delivers. This focus on where players started their NFL careers is nuts.  It is where the player ends up.  It is the desire to improve every day.  It is Larry Bird going home to French Lick and adding something to his game every summer. Do we think that Ben Roethlisberger cares that his blind side is protected by a guy who served his time in the military after failed attempts at TE with the Bengals and Bears, got out and Chip tried to convert him Into a DE,  that served time on the Steelers PS or that Villanueva plays at a high level and keeps him clean?

You sir totally missed the point. They are not knocking the players specifically but rather pointing out to those that would criticize Wentz should consider who he has had to throw to. Every one of the "Practice Squad" players Wentz is throwing to right now could be great NFL players some day - but they shouldn't even be on an NFL field right now - at least not with the regularity that they are. 

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Good luck with that.  He’ll be lucky to sign a contract after we cut him.

Maybe well Jordan Matthews him once we are sifting through practice squad WRs halfway through next season.

29 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I feel better that no ones picked him up. Must be something we don't know about

I heard a Bills fan on Jim Miller’s show say Spain was a good pass blocker but not effective as a run blocker, FWIW.  He was still surprised the team let him go.

Miller was also saying re: Travis Fulgham that he is the real deal; he runs aggressive routes, presents himself to the QB, and is "very easy to throw to for the QB”

I heard Phil Simms evaluation of Carson Wentz against the Giants — said he threw one really bad INT, but made at least 6 throws that were top-tier NFL throws in the game 

2 hours ago, Utebird said:

Mcnabbs early years always had good to great O lines, good running game and great defenses.

Mcnabb never threw for 350 yards behind  an OL made up of 3rdstringers while throwing to a bunch of rookies and street FA.

He at least had continuity and stability.

What Carson has been able to do with a constant revolving door at O line and WR has been admiral

A Navy man, eh?

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah, I guess the stat was a little skewed due to the extra game.   But, even middle of the road running is highly surprising.  Sanders big run (80 yards) and Wentz scamper for 40 the other night no doubt are really helping those numbers.  Yet, in the Steelers game, the running game was far from efficient, just hit on that one perfect call and execution at the right time.  Even serendipitous for JJAW to be there for the fumble recovery.  But, this running game has been very far from something they could lean on.  In 2017, they leaned heavily on the run and it made everything work.   This year... not so much.  And the lack of it changes everything.

The only change from the Eagles starters on the OL in Game 1 and the Super Bowl was Vaitai for Peters. A consistent healthy OL floats all boats.

26 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

You sir totally missed the point. They are not knocking the players specifically but rather pointing out to those that would criticize Wentz should consider who he has had to throw to. Every one of the "Practice Squad" players Wentz is throwing to right now could be great NFL players some day - but they shouldn't even be on an NFL field right now - at least not with the regularity that they are. 

Yup. Not necessarily an indictment of our roster building, but the reality of the situation Wentz has had to endure. Not that he doesn't make his share of mistakes as well, but let's keep some of this in perspective is all.

7 minutes ago, justrelax said:

The only change from the Eagles starters on the OL in Game 1 and the Super Bowl was Vaitai for Peters. A consistent healthy OL floats all boats.

How do you see the depth chart on OL for 2021, JR?  I’m guessing Kelce plays next season, so I imagine it as follows:

C — Kelce

LG — Seumalo (Herbig)

RG — Brooks (Driscoll)

RT — Johnson (Wanogho)

LT — Dillard and Mailata compete in TC; loser becomes swing OT 

 

Do you see OL as a top need in the draft, as in first 2 rounds?

 

 

31 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

You sir totally missed the point. They are not knocking the players specifically but rather pointing out to those that would criticize Wentz should consider who he has had to throw to. Every one of the "Practice Squad" players Wentz is throwing to right now could be great NFL players some day - but they shouldn't even be on an NFL field right now - at least not with the regularity that they are. 

Bull. Fulgham shouldn’t be on the field?  Ward shouldn’t be on the field?  Poor Carson is throwing to WRs that have raised their game and just catch passes and run good routes?  I will raise you a Croom over Butler or a Fulgham over JJAW.  Or how about a Herbig over Brown?  Again, we should not care if a player started on the PS or was an UDFA or late round draft choice as opposed to top four rounds.  Or how about Jason Kelce over a Danny Watkins?  I get what the "point”is, I just find it wrong.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Bull. Fulgham shouldn’t be on the field?  Ward shouldn’t be on the field?  Poor Carson is throwing to WRs that have raised their game and just catch passes and run good routes?  I will raise you a Croom over Butler or a Fulgham over JJAW.  Or how about a Herbig over Brown?  Again, we should not care if a player started on the PS or was an UDFA or late round draft choice as opposed to top four rounds.  Or how about Jason Kelce over a Danny Watkins?  I get what the "point”is, I just find it wrong.

no

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I have to push back on this. Their livelihoods are at stake. Schwartz and Flajole aren’t playing Gerry because they think he’s fun at parties. There have to be other factors at play that we can’t see from our couches. 

Everyone has blind spots. Moreover, if you're a coach, you can play Gerry where you know there's a baseline or you can play a raw rookie (Taylor), a 6th round LB (Bradley) or a limited player off injury (Edwards). A lot of people will take the easy route, which is go with what you know.

 

If I wasn't a 'faithful' fan, I wouldn't be so disappointed. Faithful doesn't mean pollyanna. Disappointment is everywhere and verdicts on Pederson, Schwartz, and Roseman are out.

 

I'm beyond disappointed in Wentz. What's obvious to me is how little vision of the field he has. He's a little shellshocked(see Foles 2014). At this point he looks like Mark Sanchez. But of course so many injuries to the oline and Carson's taking a beating. I have questions:

 

Why no quick plays; short passes, screens, runs? They used to be the lifebread of this offense. Those plays aren't quick enough to work and I'm putting it on Carson. So Doug plays to Carson's longer throws which can be among the best in the NFL, but then his oline is getting murdered. This is because every play in Doug's book is taking too long to execute! No hole and no one is open(or at least the one receiver Carson is capable of tracking).

 

The bottom line is that Carson mentally, is too effin slow. Maybe he's concussed from last season, but that's just the facts.

 

Am I judging him too harshly? The team traded a handfull of picks to draft, and later a SB-winning QB(who's now outperforming him)to keep him, along with a top NFL salary. If he's not our SB-winning QB, we Fed up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

How do you see the depth chart on OL for 2021, JR?  I’m guessing Kelce plays next season, so I imagine it as follows:

C — Kelce

LG — Seumalo (Herbig)

RG — Brooks (Driscoll)

RT — Johnson (Wanogho)

LT — Dillard and Mailata compete in TC; loser becomes swing OT 

 

Do you see OL as a top need in the draft, as in first 2 rounds?

I think Opeta is getting a pretty bad rap. For his first start ever, he went up against legit top talents on the interior of the Giants line and certainly outperformed Brown, and arguably was as good as any guard on the other side of the ball. 

Ward 72.5% catch rate.  Tied for 14th in WR TDs.  20th in receptions. Stays healthy and seems to be a real good teammate. Yep, let’s replace him with ???? Granted he is only 53rd in first downs (tied with Judy).  While first on the team in this category and at 45% of his catches going for first downs, would like to see that and his yards per catch go up, he is performing as the Eagles are targeting the slot role.  I imagine his stats only get better with a healthy Reagor and Goedert.

BTW, Fulgham has a respectable 62.5% catch rate. 

I also suggest you check out your boy KJ Hamler’s stats. 

33 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

no

He has earned his spot on this team.  He and Fulgham are the two receivers that have earned their paychecks.  He is not a gamebreaker, but he catches the ball, doesn't give it away, blocks well, is responsible, doesn't get called for penalties.   Earned it all.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not even remotely close.  McNabb always had an OL to rely on, and solid RBs, Duce, Buckhalter and then Westbrook.  And, he had a much better defense, dramtically better, so he could scrape togther 17-20 points and it was a W, not a L.  McNabb only ever struggled with bottom tier Wars early, but that group was at least NFL caliber.  Last season and a half, Wentz has had to rely on PS players at WR.  Not remotely the same.

I was referring to his WRs specifically since the pic I quoted mentioned his last 8 TDs going to former PS guys (obviously,Scott not counting as a WR). McNabb had other positives to help but his WRs were terrible most of his early years. 

6 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said:

He has earned his spot on this team.  He and Fulgham are the two receivers that have earned their paychecks.  He is not a gamebreaker, but he catches the ball, doesn't give it away, blocks well, is responsible, doesn't get called for penalties.   Earned it all.

I agree for now, but Ward just isn’t my cup of tea at the position. He’s functional, but not good enough to make explosive plays or be a vertical or horizontal threat. 

54 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Bull. Fulgham shouldn’t be on the field?  Ward shouldn’t be on the field?  Poor Carson is throwing to WRs that have raised their game and just catch passes and run good routes?  I will raise you a Croom over Butler or a Fulgham over JJAW.  Or how about a Herbig over Brown?  Again, we should not care if a player started on the PS or was an UDFA or late round draft choice as opposed to top four rounds.  Or how about Jason Kelce over a Danny Watkins?  I get what the "point”is, I just find it wrong.

Again you missed the point - I didn't say they don't deserve to be on the field - They are only on the field because of a plague of injuries - and while they are playing well they are not DeSean Jackson and Alshon Jeffrey and Jaelen Raegar - if they had remained healthy - and I know that's a big ask (and in Alshon's case, had he been healthy at all) - but if they had then there is no doubt that Carson's overall #s would be hell of a lot better. Throw in a healthy offensive line and I think he could easily be in the statistical top 5. I like Ward and Fulgham both - a lot - but neither should be starters at this point in their career.

So maybe Alson is cooked - regardless - and Fulgham replaces him - I'm fine with that - but Fulgham will be a much better player next year after a full year of significant playing time OR and I hope this is not the case - Fulgham could find a ceiling and end up as JAG. The NFL is rife with players that FLASHED and fizzled.

Ward is Jason Avant with more upside.

I'll raise you a Seth Joyner and Clyde Simmons. Seth was picked in the 8th which doesn't officially exist anymore but does when you count compensatory selections. Clyde was a 9th. Both were cut at least once. The Eagles have a history of finding late round gems - and UDFA gold. You seem to think that people are putting down the practice squad guys that Wentz is working with - we are not. There is a reasons that players are better in their 4th season then they were in their 1st. There are reasons guys begin low on the depth chart - sometimes it's hidden talent that isn't realized until they get a chance on the field (Mailata). Most of the time it's just cause the guys in front of them are better.

6 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Again you missed the point - I didn't say they don't deserve to be on the field - They are only on the field because of a plague of injuries - and while they are playing well they are not DeSean Jackson and Alshon Jeffrey and Jaelen Raegar - if they had remained healthy - and I know that's a big ask (and in Alshon's case, had he been healthy at all) - but if they had then there is no doubt that Carson's overall #s would be hell of a lot better. Throw in a healthy offensive line and I think he could easily be in the statistical top 5. I like Ward and Fulgham both - a lot - but neither should be starters at this point in their career.

So maybe Alson is cooked - regardless - and Fulgham replaces him - I'm fine with that - but Fulgham will be a much better player next year after a full year of significant playing time OR and I hope this is not the case - Fulgham could find a ceiling and end up as JAG. The NFL is rife with players that FLASHED and fizzled.

Ward is Jason Avant with more upside.

I'll raise you a Seth Joyner and Clyde Simmons. Seth was picked in the 8th which doesn't officially exist anymore but does when you count compensatory selections. Clyde was a 9th. Both were cut at least once. The Eagles have a history of finding late round gems - and UDFA gold. You seem to think that people are putting down the practice squad guys that Wentz is working with - we are not. There is a reasons that players are better in their 4th season then they were in their 1st. The are reasons guys begin low on the depth chart - sometimes it's hidden talent that isn't realized until they get a chance on the field (Mailata). Most of the time it's just cause the guys in front of them are better.

In what way does Ward have more upside than Avant? He’s a smaller version that happens to be a punt returner. He isn’t fast, not particularly quick. Really good happens. Provides nothing in terms of YAC.