1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

How do you see the depth chart on OL for 2021, JR?  I’m guessing Kelce plays next season, so I imagine it as follows:

C — Kelce

LG — Seumalo (Herbig)

RG — Brooks (Driscoll)

RT — Johnson (Wanogho)

LT — Dillard and Mailata compete in TC; loser becomes swing OT 

 

Do you see OL as a top need in the draft, as in first 2 rounds?

I do not. That said, if the player is really good, we have to take him. Healthy, that’s as good as it gets.

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

Why trade for a lineman.  Go get Quinton Spain.

There must be more to the story regarding Quinton Spain.

50 minutes ago, macgregor said:

 

If I wasn't a 'faithful' fan, I wouldn't be so disappointed. Faithful doesn't mean pollyanna. Disappointment is everywhere and verdicts on Pederson, Schwartz, and Roseman are out.

 

I'm beyond disappointed in Wentz. What's obvious to me is how little vision of the field he has. He's a little shellshocked(see Foles 2014). At this point he looks like Mark Sanchez. But of course so many injuries to the oline and Carson's taking a beating. I have questions:

 

Why no quick plays; short passes, screens, runs? They used to be the lifebread of this offense. Those plays aren't quick enough to work and I'm putting it on Carson. So Doug plays to Carson's longer throws which can be among the best in the NFL, but then his oline is getting murdered. This is because every play in Doug's book is taking too long to execute! No hole and no one is open(or at least the one receiver Carson is capable of tracking).

 

The bottom line is that Carson mentally, is too effin slow. Maybe he's concussed from last season, but that's just the facts.

 

Am I judging him too harshly? The team traded a handfull of picks to draft, and later a SB-winning QB(who's now outperforming him)to keep him, along with a top NFL salary. If he's not our SB-winning QB, we Fed up.

 

 

There’s a lot to unpack in your post; I bolded some of your comments for discussion:

— I think most can agree the offense would run best if Wentz ran the play as it’s drawn up, make the throws accurately and on time.  I will agree he appears to be having issues going from his first read to second to third quickly enough.  I don’t see the issue having anything to do with his mental faculties; these are issues with personnel and lack of familiarity.

— You’re not seeing as many quick plays and short throws because a) those are timing throws; the lack of reps with these WR makes these throws less accurate, and b) the Eagles said before the season they were moving to a more vertical, downfield offense

You need to ask yourself the question — how many of Wentz’s current targets is he familiar enough with?  Where was Fulgham in 2019?  Where was Hightower?  Where was Reagor?  How many games did Desean Jackson play with Wentz in his career?  Have you seen how badly Ertz is running routes — he has 18 catches in 45 targets — is he where he’s supposed to be at the top of his routes?

Wentz is cobbling together an offense with ever-changing parts.  He has his Center and himself — that’s it!  He scored 29 points vs PIT and 28 vs BAL.  Pretty damn good all things considered 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

F no. Don't bring him back next year. I'd be so pissed off if they did that

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

F no. Don't bring him back next year. I'd be so pissed off if they did that

Even Howie won't be allowed to be stupid enough to do that.  One of Watkins or Hightower will fill that role.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

F no. Don't bring him back next year. I'd be so pissed off if they did that

I think it’s safe to say he won’t be back. Reagor, Fulgham, Ward and Hightower are practically locks are this point. That only leaves a spot or two for the likes of Watkins, JJAW, Goodwin and a FA/draft pick. 

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

In what way does Ward have more upside than Avant? He’s a smaller version that happens to be a punt returner. He isn’t fast, not particularly quick. Really good happens. Provides nothing in terms of YAC. 

Shhhh - I'm in the middle of a debate over whether he should even be on the field. I'm being diplomatic. Maybe! 

what ever happened to cordy glenn? no one still sign him? can he really be worse than jamon brown?

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

what ever happened to cordy glenn? no one still sign him? can he really be worse than jamon brown?

Neither you or I could be worse than Brown. But???

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think it’s safe to say he won’t be back. Reagor, Fulgham, Ward and Hightower are practically locks are this point. That only leaves a spot or two for the likes of Watkins, JJAW, Goodwin and a FA/draft pick. 

I forgot we had Goodwin as a speed guy too.  I wonder if he will change his mind playing next year.

43 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

 I like Ward and Fulgham both - a lot - but neither should be starters at this point in their career.

 

I tend to disagree.  Ward has elevated his performance and looks like a solid slot receiver.  What he lacks in "explosiveness" he makes up for with great hands and very good route running.  He could likely start for close to a dozen teams in the league, imo.  He's basically Jason Avant, 2.0.

Some  guys just "have it" and we hit gold with Fulgham.  His transition to an NFL starting caliber WR is evident.  He runs great routes, good hands and goes out and "gets the ball" from opposing DB's.  It takes years for most WR's to be able to do that on an NFL level (many never even get to that point).  Fulgham looks like a 2nd year, 1st round draft pick out there....and he's been doing it consistently since he's been given the opportunity.  And if he looks this good now, we could potentially have a pro-bowl level receiver within a year or two. 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Ward 72.5% catch rate.  Tied for 14th in WR TDs.  20th in receptions. Stays healthy and seems to be a real good teammate. Yep, let’s replace him with ???? Granted he is only 53rd in first downs (tied with Judy).  While first on the team in this category and at 45% of his catches going for first downs, would like to see that and his yards per catch go up, he is performing as the Eagles are targeting the slot role.  I imagine his stats only get better with a healthy Reagor and Goedert.

BTW, Fulgham has a respectable 62.5% catch rate. 

I also suggest you check out your boy KJ Hamler’s stats. 

I dont understand why people dont like Ward?  He's not a star but at least does things a WR should.  

With the difficult time we've had drafting and developing WRs, he's a keeper in my book.  

 

I'm not arguing that we are sitting on someone better than Ward right now, although Watkins obviously has better upside.  Ward is the best we have and they are better off with him than without him, at this point.

However, I am arguing that's not something to be proud of or for which one should pat Ward on the back.  You can compare him to prior slot masters all you want...he's not them!  Good offenses do not trot out a Greg Ward as one of their weapons for 75% of the snaps.  They don't.  

On a good offense, he's a backup that doesn't play.  Just because he's our #2 WR doesn't mean he'd be a good #3.  The same rationale had everyone around here saying Jordan Matthews would be a great #2 just because he was our #1.

He's not good.  

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I tend to disagree.  Ward has elevated his performance and looks like a solid slot receiver.  What he lacks in "explosiveness" he makes up for with great hands and very good route running.  He could likely start for close to a dozen teams in the league, imo.  He's basically Jason Avant, 2.0.

Some  guys just "have it" and we hit gold with Fulgham.  His transition to an NFL starting caliber WR is evident.  He runs great routes, good hands and goes out and "gets the ball" from opposing DB's.  It takes years for most WR's to be able to do that on an NFL level (many never even get to that point).  Fulgham looks like a 2nd year, 1st round draft pick out there....and he's been doing it consistently since he's been given the opportunity.  And if he looks this good now, we could potentially have a pro-bowl level receiver within a year or two. 

Sorry, but this is absolutely crazy.  This is what happens when a fanbase hasn't seen an NFL caliber WR in years.

31 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

In what way does Ward have more upside than Avant? He’s a smaller version that happens to be a punt returner. He isn’t fast, not particularly quick. Really good happens. Provides nothing in terms of YAC. 

Evidently another no talent guy. All he does is get open and make catches. I loved Avant but Ward is faster, quicker, and Better with YAC. Not by all that much, to be sure, but what the real basis of comparison is is smarts. They both have them.
No offense, but you have a tendency to dismiss players if they’re not ideal. In doing so you miss what they can do by listing only what they can’t. JMHO, of course. 

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I tend to disagree.  Ward has elevated his performance and looks like a solid slot receiver.  What he lacks in "explosiveness" he makes up for with great hands and very good route running.  He could likely start for close to a dozen teams in the league, imo.  He's basically Jason Avant, 2.0.

Some  guys just "have it" and we hit gold with Fulgham.  His transition to an NFL starting caliber WR is evident.  He runs great routes, good hands and goes out and "gets the ball" from opposing DB's.  It takes years for most WR's to be able to do that on an NFL level (many never even get to that point).  Fulgham looks like a 2nd year, 1st round draft pick out there....and he's been doing it consistently since he's been given the opportunity.  And if he looks this good now, we could potentially have a pro-bowl level receiver within a year or two. 

I like Fulgham and he makes catches which is the bottom line.  But one thing about him is that some of these passes go right thru his hands and he bobbles it a little while holding it with his body.  I'd like to see him catch it with his hands more clean without the bobbles.  But as long as he catches it no big deal.  He's still learning too.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I tend to disagree.  Ward has elevated his performance and looks like a solid slot receiver.  What he lacks in "explosiveness" he makes up for with great hands and very good route running.  He could likely start for close to a dozen teams in the league, imo.  He's basically Jason Avant, 2.0.

Some  guys just "have it" and we hit gold with Fulgham.  His transition to an NFL starting caliber WR is evident.  He runs great routes, good hands and goes out and "gets the ball" from opposing DB's.  It takes years for most WR's to be able to do that on an NFL level (many never even get to that point).  Fulgham looks like a 3rd year, 1st round draft pick out there....and he's been doing it consistently since he's been given the opportunity.  And if he looks this good now, we could potentially have a pro-bowl level receiver within a year or two. 

I agree with most of this - and I too compared Ward to Avant. But you too are missing the point. It's not that they don't deserve to be on the field - both have earned their starting rolls - but neither should be on the field right now. If not for injury they would be 4th or 5th on the depth chart (Ward) and on the practice squad (Fulgham). AND I pointed out what you pointed out - that both will likely be significantly better NEXT year after a full season of significant playing time -

Experience - with the play book, with Wentz, vs NFL defenses etc

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

I think Opeta is getting a pretty bad rap. For his first start ever, he went up against legit top talents on the interior of the Giants line and certainly outperformed Brown, and arguably was as good as any guard on the other side of the ball. 

I did not come away with a good impression of Opeta. My sense was no push at all in the run game and was frequently bullrushed into Carson’s lap. I’m waiting on the all-22.

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Evidently another no talent guy. All he does is get open and make catches. I loved Avant but Ward is faster, quicker, and Better with YAC. Not by all that much, to be sure, but what the real basis of comparison is is smarts. They both have them.
No offense, but you have a tendency to dismiss players if they’re not ideal. In doing so you miss what they can do by listing only what they can’t. JMHO, of course. 

Ward is definitely quicker than Avant.

I'm absolutely shocked that Doug hasnt used Ward on a double reverse WR throw.

7 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Evidently another no talent guy. All he does is get open and make catches. I loved Avant but Ward is faster, quicker, and Better with YAC. Not by all that much, to be sure, but what the real basis of comparison is is smarts. They both have them.
No offense, but you have a tendency to dismiss players if they’re not ideal. In doing so you miss what they can do by listing only what they can’t. JMHO, of course. 

Of course he’s not ideal. That’s the entire point. He’s not good enough to be a WR3 for a top offense. He’s too limited. 

That doesn’t make him useless, but listing what he can’t do shows how he helps hold back an offense. 

2 hours ago, justrelax said:

The only change from the Eagles starters on the OL in Game 1 and the Super Bowl was Vaitai for Peters. A consistent healthy OL floats all boats.

Yup.  And Vaitai was WAY better than a lot around here gave him credit for.  And, they had an All-Pro at RT, RG, C... and LG was even a decent option with Wiz.  

57 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I do not. That said, if the player is really good, we have to take him. Healthy, that’s as good as it gets.

I'm surprised you didn't switch Herbig and Driscoll.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  And Vaitai was WAY better than a lot around here gave him credit for.  And, they had an All-Pro at RT, RG, C... and LG was even a decent option with Wiz.  

Nah. But we don’t need to rehash that and how some in here called him a top 10-15 tackle. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  And Vaitai was WAY better than a lot around here gave him credit for.  And, they had an All-Pro at RT, RG, C... and LG was even a decent option with Wiz.  

Vaitai was pretty much the perfect OL #6. Could play 4 spots at a reasonable level. 
That's my hope for Driscoll, which is fine for a late 4th rounder. 

2 hours ago, Nivraga said:

You sir totally missed the point. They are not knocking the players specifically but rather pointing out to those that would criticize Wentz should consider who he has had to throw to. Every one of the "Practice Squad" players Wentz is throwing to right now could be great NFL players some day - but they shouldn't even be on an NFL field right now - at least not with the regularity that they are. 

Exception being Fulgham, imo.  He might be the classic case of.. give a guy a shot and watch him bloom.