1 minute ago, RLC said:

Vaitai was pretty much the perfect OL #6. Could play 4 spots at a reasonable level. 
That's my hope for Driscoll, which is fine for a late 4th rounder. 

Yup. 

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yup. Not necessarily an indictment of our roster building, but the reality of the situation Wentz has had to endure. Not that he doesn't make his share of mistakes as well, but let's keep some of this in perspective is all.

The number of different WRs he's had to work with is mind boggling... 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

How do you see the depth chart on OL for 2021, JR?  I’m guessing Kelce plays next season, so I imagine it as follows:

C — Kelce

LG — Seumalo (Herbig)

RG — Brooks (Driscoll)

RT — Johnson (Wanogho)

LT — Dillard and Mailata compete in TC; loser becomes swing OT 

 

Do you see OL as a top need in the draft, as in first 2 rounds?

Flip Herbig and Driscoll.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

I think Opeta is getting a pretty bad rap. For his first start ever, he went up against legit top talents on the interior of the Giants line and certainly outperformed Brown, and arguably was as good as any guard on the other side of the ball. 

Not much of a bar you set there.

31 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

F no. Don't bring him back next year. I'd be so pissed off if they did that

Looking at the Eagles 2021 salary cap, they are a little more than $63M over the $175M cap, according to Spotrac.  I haven’t heard whether this $175M cap is etched in stone yet, but some of the Eagles needed moves before 2021 to shed cap are evident:

Jeffery gone saves $7.8M

D-JAX gone saves $5.1M

Zach Ertz gone saves $4.7M

Marquise Goodwin gone saves $4.4M
 

I’m not very knowledgeable on pre and post June 1 cut designations, or the numbers if guys are traded, but these moves would still only account for $21M in savings.  There will be harder decisions after that.

 

Derek Barnett’s cap number for 2021 is $10M.  Will the Eagles simply have to let him go as a FA?  Can some of these other veteran players be restructured or traded to save money?  The rest all carry dead cap as high as their 2021 salary number.

39 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Even Howie won't be allowed to be stupid enough to do that.  One of Watkins or Hightower will fill that role.

I mean he probably would be allowed, Lurie loves all these blasts from the past 

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Sorry, but this is absolutely crazy.  This is what happens when a fanbase hasn't seen an NFL caliber WR in years.

How about watching some film?  This isn't a knock on Wentz but Fulgham gets separation and is open on a consistent basis even when he's not targeted.  

13 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I like Fulgham and he makes catches which is the bottom line.  But one thing about him is that some of these passes go right thru his hands and he bobbles it a little while holding it with his body.  I'd like to see him catch it with his hands more clean without the bobbles.  But as long as he catches it no big deal.  He's still learning too.

I haven't seen him miss too many passes.  The few that he has missed usually would have been "tough catches" and likely could have been thrown better.   But overall, the guy has really good hands, imo.  And I only expect him to get better. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Exception being Fulgham, imo.  He might be the classic case of.. give a guy a shot and watch him bloom.

With all due respect I_P (and I mean that sincerely) you too are missing the point. Fulgham is playing great - but he is not playing above the expectations of Jeffrey, Jackson, and Reagor to start the season. AND he is developing chemistry with Wentz - he didn't just instantly have it. And as that chemistry develops Wentz numbers steadily improve. It's not about what the Practice Squad guys CAN be - it's about what they were to start the season and the fact that Wentz is working with them instead of the guys he was suppose to.

 

I don't know why this is so hard.

1 hour ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I was referring to his WRs specifically since the pic I quoted mentioned his last 8 TDs going to former PS guys (obviously,Scott not counting as a WR). McNabb had other positives to help but his WRs were terrible most of his early years. 

But still NFL WRs.  Charles Johnson and Torrence Small were NFL players.... not a carousel of practice squad fodder, mental basketcases and dopes running into teammates.  Fulgham at least seems to belong.   Ward is Greg Lewis.  That's at least a 1-1 comparison.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I agree for now, but Ward just isn’t my cup of tea at the position. He’s functional, but not good enough to make explosive plays or be a vertical or horizontal threat. 

He's a #5... its sad that he's the 2nd best option.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

In what way does Ward have more upside than Avant? He’s a smaller version that happens to be a punt returner. He isn’t fast, not particularly quick. Really good happens. Provides nothing in terms of YAC. 

Nah, he's a punt 'fielder'.   

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But still NFL WRs.  Charles Johnson and Torrence Small were NFL players.... not a carousel of practice squad fodder, mental basketcases and dopes running into teammates.  Fulgham at least seems to belong.   Ward is Greg Lewis.  That's at least a 1-1 comparison.

He's a #5... its sad that he's the 2nd best option.

I think he’s proven himself as a WR4. 

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Looking at the Eagles 2021 salary cap, they are a little more than $63M over the $175M cap, according to Spotrac.  I haven’t heard whether this $175M cap is etched in stone yet, but some of the Eagles needed moves before 2021 to shed cap are evident:

Jeffery gone saves $7.8M

D-JAX gone saves $5.1M

Zach Ertz gone saves $4.7M

Marquise Goodwin gone saves $4.4M
 

I’m not very knowledgeable on pre and post June 1 cut designations, or the numbers if guys are traded, but these moves would still only account for $21M in savings.  There will be harder decisions after that.

 

Derek Barnett’s cap number for 2021 is $10M.  Will the Eagles simply have to let him go as a FA?  Can some of these other veteran players be restructured or traded to save money?  The rest all carry dead cap as high as their 2021 salary number.

That Marquise number on the sites isn’t correct. I forget the reasoning, something like he agreed to a restructure but opted out so they never got to see his new contract so just left his old San Fran contract up for now.

Anyway, his contract tolls so he’ll be like 1 year, $1.5M next year 

36 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I dont understand why people dont like Ward?  He's not a star but at least does things a WR should.  

With the difficult time we've had drafting and developing WRs, he's a keeper in my book.  

 

Its not a matter of not liking Ward.  Ward is what he is.  He's a borderline NFL players.  Bottom of the roster, bottom of the depth chart.  He's a guy you should be able to throw out there in  a pinch if injuries happen for a couple weeks, he's not a guy you build your offense around or don't look to upgrade.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Its not a matter of not liking Ward.  Ward is what he is.  He's a borderline NFL players.  Bottom of the roster, bottom of the depth chart.  He's a guy you should be able to throw out there in  a pinch if injuries happen for a couple weeks, he's not a guy you build your offense around or don't look to upgrade.

I think he is better than that but I agree with your premise.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

In what way does Ward have more upside than Avant? He’s a smaller version that happens to be a punt returner. He isn’t fast, not particularly quick. Really good happens. Provides nothing in terms of YAC. 

His YAC is similar to Ertz.  A little over three yards.  You must have hated Steve Largent.

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Nah. But we don’t need to rehash that and how some in here called him a top 10-15 tackle. 

Sadly he got hurt this year, so we don't get to see him elsewhere.   But, he was desired enough to get a nice contract.

Eagles should offer Ertz (know he’s hurt) and a 3rd for Michael Thomas

47 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I forgot we had Goodwin as a speed guy too.  I wonder if he will change his mind playing next year.

He’s missing out on millions. He may feel like it’s better to risk it then not play

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I agree for now, but Ward just isn’t my cup of tea at the position. He’s functional, but not good enough to make explosive plays or be a vertical or horizontal threat. 

Agreed, but I do like him in tight spaces and he has good hands 

9 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

With all due respect I_P (and I mean that sincerely) you too are missing the point. Fulgham is playing great - but he is not playing above the expectations of Jeffrey, Jackson, and Reagor to start the season. AND he is developing chemistry with Wentz - he didn't just instantly have it. And as that chemistry develops Wentz numbers steadily improve. It's not about what the Practice Squad guys CAN be - it's about what they were to start the season and the fact that Wentz is working with them instead of the guys he was suppose to.

 

I don't know why this is so hard.

He is absolutely playing above my expectations for Jeffery.   And he's not the same type of player as Desean or Reagor, so that's not a reasonable comparison.  Jeffery is completely washed.  The chemistry he's developing with Wentz is what we need to see.  

 

But, Fulgham is the exception to Wentz's group.  The rest... they are just not great.  Hightower is coming along nicely, but needs to improve.  Croom - PS fodder.  Shouldn't be on the field, except for the injuries to both Goedert AND Ertz.  Same for Hakeem Butler (as a TE... ).  The rest of these guys from last year... Robert Davis, et al.  Gross.    Ward is 'ok'.  He's nothing special and not a starter quality WR.  

 

Its not hard.  You want to make the point on a pin.  The real point of the meme is to point out what Wentz is working with.  No one in their right mind would say that his receiving corps is ideal or even a 2nd choice, same with the OL.  But, there are unreasonable folks who expect the same level of production, etc. with 9 backups in the game as all starters.   (That said, Wentz needs to not throw the ball across the field like he did Thursday, there's no excusing that one.  Only if Fulgham is standing there with no one around him within 20 yards is that even a remote option.) 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think he’s proven himself as a WR4. 

Ok.  4, 5... not much difference there.  

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

His YAC is similar to Ertz.  A little over three yards.  You must have hated Steve Largent.

Yes, let’s bring up a WR from 30 years ago as if that has any relevance to today’s game.

And stop quoting context-less stats and show me some plays where Ward creates yards after the catch. Any JAG WR can catch a six-yards pass against zone coverage and turn around and get tackled for 9 yards. 

1 hour ago, Nivraga said:

Again you missed the point - I didn't say they don't deserve to be on the field - They are only on the field because of a plague of injuries - and while they are playing well they are not DeSean Jackson and Alshon Jeffrey and Jaelen Raegar - if they had remained healthy - and I know that's a big ask (and in Alshon's case, had he been healthy at all) - but if they had then there is no doubt that Carson's overall #s would be hell of a lot better. Throw in a healthy offensive line and I think he could easily be in the statistical top 5. I like Ward and Fulgham both - a lot - but neither should be starters at this point in their career.

So maybe Alson is cooked - regardless - and Fulgham replaces him - I'm fine with that - but Fulgham will be a much better player next year after a full year of significant playing time OR and I hope this is not the case - Fulgham could find a ceiling and end up as JAG. The NFL is rife with players that FLASHED and fizzled.

Ward is Jason Avant with more upside.

I'll raise you a Seth Joyner and Clyde Simmons. Seth was picked in the 8th which doesn't officially exist anymore but does when you count compensatory selections. Clyde was a 9th. Both were cut at least once. The Eagles have a history of finding late round gems - and UDFA gold. You seem to think that people are putting down the practice squad guys that Wentz is working with - we are not. There is a reasons that players are better in their 4th season then they were in their 1st. There are reasons guys begin low on the depth chart - sometimes it's hidden talent that isn't realized until they get a chance on the field (Mailata). Most of the time it's just cause the guys in front of them are better.

Right now, Fulgham looks better than Alshon.  Reagor is promise until he gets on the field.  I am hopeful that will be soon.   There is a good chance that we will see Lane get healthier, Seumalo return, maybe even Brooks return in December.  If we have Goedert and Miles back, the Eagles may hit their stride.   
 

I would take 2020 versions of Clyde or Seth any day.   I think the DL will get better and if Howie doesn’t get cute and drafts one of the good CBs and one of the projects next year, the D can turn it around.

For any cap heads, spotrac has a cool new feature where you can cut, restructure or trade players and it will automatically calculate your new cap for you 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/philadelphia-eagles/2021/

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sadly he got hurt this year, so we don't get to see him elsewhere.   But, he was desired enough to get a nice contract.

He’s playing RG in Detroit. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He is absolutely playing above my expectations for Jeffery.   And he's not the same type of player as Desean or Reagor, so that's not a reasonable comparison.  Jeffery is completely washed.  The chemistry he's developing with Wentz is what we need to see.  

 

But, Fulgham is the exception to Wentz's group.  The rest... they are just not great.  Hightower is coming along nicely, but needs to improve.  Croom - PS fodder.  Shouldn't be on the field, except for the injuries to both Goedert AND Ertz.  Same for Hakeem Butler (as a TE... ).  The rest of these guys from last year... Robert Davis, et al.  Gross.    Ward is 'ok'.  He's nothing special and not a starter quality WR.  

 

Its not hard.  You want to make the point on a pin.  The real point of the meme is to point out what Wentz is working with.  No one in their right mind would say that his receiving corps is ideal or even a 2nd choice, same with the OL.  But, there are unreasonable folks who expect the same level of production, etc. with 9 backups in the game as all starters.   (That said, Wentz needs to not throw the ball across the field like he did Thursday, there's no excusing that one.  Only if Fulgham is standing there with no one around him within 20 yards is that even a remote option.) 

Ok.  4, 5... not much difference there.  

Maybe not. A WR4 is an active player each week. WR5 is iffy. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

He’s playing RG in Detroit. 

Is he?   I thought I read he got injured. Interesting.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Yes, let’s bring up a WR from 30 years ago as if that has any relevance to today’s game.

And stop quoting context-less stats and show me some plays where Ward creates yards after the catch. Any JAG WR can catch a six-yards pass against zone coverage and turn around and get tackled for 9 yards. 

Nah, you should give up trying to sell me on McLane and other beats and I should give up trying to convince you Ward is better than your definition of a JAG.  Neither of us is likely to agree on either subject.