9 hours ago, eagle45 said:

For what it’s worth, Hargrave certainly wasn’t the cornerstone that made that Pittsburgh DL work.

Perhaps Howie should take the hint that we’ve got too much wrapped up in run stoppers in a league that doesn’t run and not enough in rushers.

Given that Hargrave isn't a run-stopper, we should be fine then.

The Giants' offensive game plan was puzzling. Jason Garrett kept running the ball instead of going 4-5 wide and spreading them out. At least go shotgun with 3-4 WRs to Pittsburgh has to declare who is likely to blitz. The only thing I can think of is that they don't trust Jones to read that.

22 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Better than Avery at least 

Avery looks like a weakside LB, not 4-3 D-end 

29 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Then come back and go 7 and 2 to finish up 8 and 8 completely destroying our draft positioning. 

The way Howie drafts does it really matter?  They hit better in the later rounds.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Given that Hargrave isn't a run-stopper, we should be fine then.

The Giants' offensive game plan was puzzling. Jason Garrett kept running the ball instead of going 4-5 wide and spreading them out. At least go shotgun with 3-4 WRs to Pittsburgh has to declare who is likely to blitz. The only thing I can think of is that they don't trust Jones to read that.

Oh, so we paid $40m for a non-runstopper who averages less than 4 sacks per year?  Is that supposed to make it sound better?

Howie and Schwartz put too much into the DT position.

I’d be curious how successful we were with under center play action. With our poor protection, I’m not sure having Wentz turn his back to the defense was a great idea. 

 

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Oh, so we paid $40m for a non-runstopper who averages less than 4 sacks per year?  Is that supposed to make it sound better?

Howie and Schwartz put too much into the DT position.

Hargrave is very good. He can rush the passer and generate lots of pressure (top 10 DT in win-rate) from the inside. Inside pressure is more disruptive than EDGE pressure. 

Putting too much into the DT position is a fair criticism. IMO, the lack of DT development is the biggest issue. Trading a 7th for a #4 DT in Ridgeway is good process. Otherwise, who are the young DTs in the Schwartz era?

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Hargrave is very good. He can rush the passer and generate lots of pressure (top 10 DT in win-rate) from the inside. Inside pressure is more disruptive than EDGE pressure. 

Putting too much into the DT position is a fair criticism. IMO, the lack of DT development is the biggest issue. Trading a 7th for a #4 DT in Ridgeway is good process. Otherwise, who are the young DTs in the Schwartz era?

I know Hargrave is good, but building a defense from the inside of a DL out is not exactly the typical blueprint these days.

3 big DT contracts, one being a mega, mega contract, when we have nothing at DE (or some other spots) is a poor allocation of resources.  

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hargrave is very good. He can rush the passer and generate lots of pressure (top 10 DT in win-rate) from the inside. Inside pressure is more disruptive than EDGE pressure. 

Putting too much into the DT position is a fair criticism. IMO, the lack of DT/WR/DE/OT/OG/CB/S/LB development is the biggest issue. Trading a 7th for a #4 DT in Ridgeway is good process. Otherwise, who are the young DTs in the Schwartz era?

FYP

The player on the Rams offense that the defense needs to neutralize is Cooper Kupp. Looks like Dallas did a good job against him and the Rams only scored 20 points. Holding the Rams to 20 points will put us in a position to win the game. 
 

Win the turnover battle and I think the Eagles win on Sunday. I’m oddly more confident going into this game. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I know Hargrave is good, but building a defense from the inside of a DL out is not exactly the typical blueprint these days.

3 big DT contracts, one being a mega, mega contract, when we have nothing at DE (or some other spots) is a poor allocation of resources.  

SF won the NFC last year with DT being their stronger position (Buckner, Armstead, Thomas, Jones). Then they traded Buckner for Kinlaw. This approach works if the players are good. If they're not, well, it won't matter.

 

Quickest way to the QB is up the middle , I would argue it's best to build a defense inside out.

You still need quality edge guys

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Quickest way to the QB is up the middle , I would argue it's best to build a defense inside out.

You still need quality edge guys

Collapsing the pocket is great.  There is one guy in the NFL that changes games up the middle.  We have 3 of our biggest contracts on defense there.

We don't really have quality edge guys.  We've got a good but not great one who aged well and always gives max effort...and who is about to fall off a cliff.  Sweat had one good game and Barnett doesn't deserve mentioning.  When that is your DE situation, perhaps Hargrave isn't the best big contract to be handing out in the offseason.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

SF won the NFC last year with DT being their stronger position (Buckner, Armstead, Thomas, Jones). Then they traded Buckner for Kinlaw. This approach works if the players are good. If they're not, well, it won't matter.

 

Bosa and Ford are a helluva duo though. Bosa might be a top 10 edge defender. 

7 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The player on the Rams offense that the defense needs to neutralize is Cooper Kupp. Looks like Dallas did a good job against him and the Rams only scored 20 points. Holding the Rams to 20 points will put us in a position to win the game. 
 

Win the turnover battle and I think the Eagles win on Sunday. I’m oddly more confident going into this game. 

Let's see if Lane & Sanders play.  If they play, I'm confident in a win.  If they don't, I'm confident in a loss.

If the qb can sit in the pocket ,you're in for a long day ,if idl can move him off his spot , you'll run him into sacks.

If I'm building a dl ,it starts inside , more so a 43 

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I still say he is injured and cant move as well as he is used to.  That would at least explain, zero roll outs called (moving the pocket is a typical way to create space with a questionable Oline) and his inability to make nary one rusher miss, something he has always been outstanding at. 

 

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

SF won the NFC last year with DT being their stronger position (Buckner, Armstead, Thomas, Jones). Then they traded Buckner for Kinlaw. This approach works if the players are good. If they're not, well, it won't matter.

 

Eeh, SF...I wouldn't make them the blueprint for success.  Their edge investment matched their interior investment...they just had an overall monster DL at all positions, while really having a mediocre, opportunistic team everywhere else.  Then they took the same road that the 2017 Jags took to success on the backs of a really hot defense and a couple other small-investment hits.

SF is also 0-1 this year and will be smoked by teams that build in a more conventional fashion (NO, SEA) if they even make the playoffs.

 

 

6 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

If the qb can sit in the pocket ,you're in for a long day ,if idl can move him off his spot , you'll run him into sacks.

If I'm building a dl ,it starts inside , more so a 43 

How many teams in the NFL have more money going to the DT's than DE's by a ratio of nearly 2:1?

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Eeh, SF...I wouldn't make them the blueprint for success.  Their edge investment matched their interior investment...they just had an overall monster DL at all positions, while really having a mediocre, opportunistic team everywhere else.  Then they took the same road that the 2017 Jags took to success on the backs of a really hot defense and a couple other small-investment hits.

SF is also 0-1 this year and will be smoked by teams that build in a more conventional fashion (NO, SEA) if they even make the playoffs.

 

How is Seattle built in a more conventional fashion? They have zero edge players that are any good. They traded the farm for a safety? Their OL is bad. 

Brees was getting rid of the ball in 2.2 seconds, the pressure they got was up the middle...some was manufactured, why ? ,quickest way is up the middle.

 

27 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Collapsing the pocket is great.  There is one guy in the NFL that changes games up the middle.  We have 3 of our biggest contracts on defense there.

We don't really have quality edge guys.  We've got a good but not great one who aged well and always gives max effort...and who is about to fall off a cliff.  Sweat had one good game and Barnett doesn't deserve mentioning.  When that is your DE situation, perhaps Hargrave isn't the best big contract to be handing out in the offseason.

I would argue with you on the "quality" of our edge rushers but instead I'll ask you a question. Because we are unable to find in your words quality edge rushers we should not find good players to collapse the pocket?  So your strategy would be to not try and find good players to fill other positions until we have good players at other positions?

18 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Brees was getting rid of the ball in 2.2 seconds, the pressure they got was up the middle...some was manufactured, why ? ,quickest way is up the middle.

 

The key is he was getting rid of the ball

31 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I still say he is injured and cant move as well as he is used to.  That would at least explain, zero roll outs called (moving the pocket is a typical way to create space with a questionable Oline) and his inability to make nary one rusher miss, something he has always been outstanding at. 

 

If the Eagles medical staff says he's fine, you can take that as stone cold fact.