24 minutes ago, devpool said:

Avant had 11 YPC on a team with prime DeSean and Jeremy maclin. We do not have a legitimate deep threat. No one is afraid of our receivers right now, even with fulgham playing well the past 3 games.

And it absolutely is complaining. No one here is saying he is an all pro, but you and a couple others literally crap on him at every opportunity. I really don't get it. But go off I'm done wasting my time with y'all, if he isn't a pro bowler or an all pro he sucks. Heard.

That's a well stated strawman argument.  You win.   

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This is BS. I’m using stats to support my opinion, which is based on watching him play. You’re using stats and only stats to use your opinion, while manufacturing a fake narrative that the OL is why his YPC is low.

We saw Agholor run deep routes and drop those passes last year, which obviously would suppress his YPC. Ward’s YPC is low and if anything is inflated by two catches — a blown coverage vs Dallas and a perfectly called play against Cincinnati.

Doesnt that happen to just about every WR though?  

I don't study tape on Ward but do they usually run him much down the field?  Seems like everything to him is short.  Would be hard to have a good YPC if everything to him is mostly short yardage.  

38 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Marquez Stevenson at Z, Reagor at X and Fulgham in the slot.  Stevenson is probably a mid rounder. 

I don't know that name... I'll have to look into that.

35 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yeah I like huntley. He looked good with the few runs he got. He was great in the passing game in college, not sure how much he blocked but lots of receptions.

I was disappointed in his unawareness on an obvious hot route.   A few weeks ago, we saw Sanders and Wentz work beautifully on a DB blitz, where Sanders released instead of blocking and was a big gainer.  Same type of situation on Thursday, and Huntley never got his head around in time to find the ball.  Would have been a big gain if he had.

33 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

He gets the job done for now as far as getting open and making the catch.  Going back to last year we didnt even have guys that could do that.  

Again, he's nothing special but until they have someone better, not sure what to tell you.  Maybe when Quez Watkins can see the field he will be better and an upgrade.  

 

And that point has been conceded, multiple times.  The point is... they need to get better there, not settle for that because he's the best they have.  Moving forward into 2021, the goal should be to get better there.  

All of this is an indictment on the roster construction and management to build a WR corps.   JJAW was a terrible draft choice. Making the move for Desean and not putting that money into Robbie Anderson, was a terrible mistake.  And Howie traded to add Desean, and then overpaid him, extending the cap hit at the same time.  Horrible investment.  Howie restructured Alshon and kicked his cap number into the future... another mistake.   The long and the short of it is that the Eagles are reaping what Howie Roseman sowed at the WR position.  Thank goodness they found Fulgham, because I couldn't imagine this offense without him right now.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

And that point has been conceded, multiple times.  The point is... they need to get better there, not settle for that because he's the best they have.  Moving forward into 2021, the goal should be to get better there.  

All of this is an indictment on the roster construction and management to build a WR corps.   JJAW was a terrible draft choice. Making the move for Desean and not putting that money into Robbie Anderson, was a terrible mistake.  And Howie traded to add Desean, and then overpaid him, extending the cap hit at the same time.  Horrible investment.  Howie restructured Alshon and kicked his cap number into the future... another mistake.   The long and the short of it is that the Eagles are reaping what Howie Roseman sowed at the WR position.  Thank goodness they found Fulgham, because I couldn't imagine this offense without him right now.  

Agreed, Howie's many missteps have put is in a serious bind, and not just at WR. Not feeling terribly optimistic about our chances to right the ship next offseason either if he's still here. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And that point has been conceded, multiple times.  The point is... they need to get better there, not settle for that because he's the best they have.  Moving forward into 2021, the goal should be to get better there.  

All of this is an indictment on the roster construction and management to build a WR corps.   JJAW was a terrible draft choice. Making the move for Desean and not putting that money into Robbie Anderson, was a terrible mistake.  And Howie traded to add Desean, and then overpaid him, extending the cap hit at the same time.  Horrible investment.  Howie restructured Alshon and kicked his cap number into the future... another mistake.   The long and the short of it is that the Eagles are reaping what Howie Roseman sowed at the WR position.  Thank goodness they found Fulgham, because I couldn't imagine this offense without him right now.  

You could also add to your DeSean point they could’ve easily signed John Brown twice. he was a free agent two years in a row and they didn’t do it. And he was cheap the first time in free agency when the ravens signed him. Heck they could’ve signed tyrelle Williams. Now he’s out for this year but his contract was basically a one-year contract and then you could’ve released him and had no dead money after year one

Greg ward is the long term #4 receiver, a role he is well suited for.  
 

End of discussion.

19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

No. I don't care about his stats, I only brought them up to correct the misattribution of 6ypc. He's been a reliable WR on a lackluster offense for two years straight now. He can only run the routes he's assigned in the role he plays. With the current state of our OL, I'm not sure what you can honestly expect there. Wentz hasn't exactly been on fire either. When Ward has been in a position to make catches, he's been solid and reliable. After the catch, he's unspectacular, but I again don't think that was ever in dispute. 

If you truly and honestly think the state of the OL doesn't have a negative impact on the depth of routes our WRs are running, then I don't know what else to tell ya bud. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

The OL would affect the average depth of target, not necessarily the yards per catch, although for a guy who is poor at YAC like Ward they likely go hand in hand.

For the record, his aDot in 2020 is 5.6, in 2019 6.8, so there’s a difference but nothing overly dramatic IMO. He has the same amount of targets in both seasons.

But, we have three receivers with high YPC, so it’s not like Wentz hasn’t been afforded time to get the ball downfield. After all, we’re second in the NFL in pass plays over 40 yards. 

17 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Doesnt that happen to just about every WR though?  

I don't study tape on Ward but do they usually run him much down the field?  Seems like everything to him is short.  Would be hard to have a good YPC if everything to him is mostly short yardage.  

A couple of things...

I’m sure every WR gets fortunate with blown coverages or perfectly called plays. The issue with Ward is that that is literally the only two times he’s made plays downfield. We have never once seen him beat man coverage downfield on a completion (or incompletion for that matter). 

As for the types of routes he’s running, I suppose people could question whether it’s the chicken or the egg. Because we’ve seen Agholor make explosive plays downfield in the slot — or at least get significant targets downfield — I believe it’s more about Ward’s inability to win downfield. I’m not sure how anyone could disagree with that.

We’ve also seen Fulgham, Tate, DJax won downfield out of the slot in the past three years.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You could also add to your DeSean point they could’ve easily signed John Brown twice. he was a free agent two years in a row and they didn’t do it. And he was cheap the first time in free agency when the ravens signed him. Heck they could’ve signed tyrelle Williams. Now he’s out for this year but his contract was basically a one-year contract and then you could’ve released him and had no dead money after year one

Brown’s career looked to be derailed due to sickle cell anemia. That’s why he was cheap. 

I don’t think anyone in here thought Tyrell Williams would have been a good signing for that contract. 

Interesting to look at the snap counts from Thursday night.  I had mentioned we should get a good idea whether Scott or Clement have enough to contribute as a #2 RB.

Out of 81 snaps Scott got 56, Clement got 18, and Huntley got 8.  Scott was reasonably productive with 12 carries for 46 yards, with another 46 yards receiving — including, of course, the game-winning TD.  I believe he showed he’s an asset on the field.  Not to throw shade at Sanders, but he also had enough in the tank on the last of his 56 snaps.

I’m pretty much all out on Clement at this point.  Two carries for 9 yards and 1 catch for 12 yards.  More importantly, he didn’t look all that good in pass pro.

9 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Greg ward is the long term #4 receiver, a role he is well suited for.  
 

End of discussion.

Is there such a thing as a long term #4 WR?

That's like saying someone is our long term #3 RB or our long term #4 DE.

 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Interesting to look at the snap counts from Thursday night.  I had mentioned we should get a good idea whether Scott or Clement have enough to contribute as a #2 RB.

Out of 81 snaps Scott got 56, Clement got 18, and Huntley got 8.  Scott was reasonably productive with 12 carries for 46 yards, with another 46 yards receiving — including, of course, the game-winning TD.  I believe he showed he’s an asset on the field.  Not to throw shade at Sanders, but he also had enough in the tank on the last of his 56 snaps.

I’m pretty much all out on Clement at this point.  Two carries for 9 yards and 1 catch for 12 yards.  More importantly, he didn’t look all that good in pass pro.

The information to be all out on Clement existed last year.  For whatever reason, he cannot move at the level required of an NFL running back.  He should not be on a roster.  I'm not even sure he should be on a practice squad.

I don't know what happened to him, but he can't move.  He's just a sentimental roster add at this point.

Scott can play.  He's just mis-used.  He should not be forced into the role of being the backup RB, who then intermittently gets forced into being the primary RB.  That's just a different function.  Screens, outside runs, wheel routes...anything in space, all good for Scott.  Make him a traditional RB and he's a liability.  He's still better in that role than Clement, but they need a true backup to Sanders so that Scott can just be Scott no matter who gets hurt.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Is there such a thing as a long term #4 WR?

That's like saying someone is our long term #3 RB or our long term #4 DE.

 

At least for a couple years.  The guy brings value off the field also like Avant did.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Interesting to look at the snap counts from Thursday night.  I had mentioned we should get a good idea whether Scott or Clement have enough to contribute as a #2 RB.

Out of 81 snaps Scott got 56, Clement got 18, and Huntley got 8.  Scott was reasonably productive with 12 carries for 46 yards, with another 46 yards receiving — including, of course, the game-winning TD.  I believe he showed he’s an asset on the field.  Not to throw shade at Sanders, but he also had enough in the tank on the last of his 56 snaps.

I’m pretty much all out on Clement at this point.  Two carries for 9 yards and 1 catch for 12 yards.  More importantly, he didn’t look all that good in pass pro.

I thought Clement looked pretty spry, to be honest. He actually made a guy miss. Pass pro... yikes. 

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Brown’s career looked to be derailed due to sickle cell anemia. That’s why he was cheap. 

I don’t think anyone in here thought Tyrell Williams would have been a good signing for that contract. 

I disagree i said when Williams got that contract it was a good contract cause if he flopped you could just release him after the first year no dead money and clear a ton of cap space or restructure it based on how that contract was written out And lower his cap figure. I’m actually surprised the raiders didn’t restructure it before he got hurt this offseason. They could’ve reduced his cap number. It basically only had guaranteed money the first year

as for brown was known about his sickle cell since 2016. Played in 2016 and had a cyst treated that was causing the hammy issues and was determined it wouldn’t affect him long term. He was cheap cause he was coming off a down year in Arizona as he also missed 6 games. Can say that derailed him however he was cheap option they could’ve went with. It was low risk high reward On the price. Again they also could’ve signed them in the 2019 off-season when they traded for desean. He had proven that when Joe Flacco was out there at quarterback he was really good. So even if they didn’t sign him in 2018 had a chance again in 2019 after he proved he was good

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And that point has been conceded, multiple times.  The point is... they need to get better there, not settle for that because he's the best they have.  Moving forward into 2021, the goal should be to get better there.  

All of this is an indictment on the roster construction and management to build a WR corps.   JJAW was a terrible draft choice. Making the move for Desean and not putting that money into Robbie Anderson, was a terrible mistake.  And Howie traded to add Desean, and then overpaid him, extending the cap hit at the same time.  Horrible investment.  Howie restructured Alshon and kicked his cap number into the future... another mistake.   The long and the short of it is that the Eagles are reaping what Howie Roseman sowed at the WR position.  Thank goodness they found Fulgham, because I couldn't imagine this offense without him right now.  

I get what you're saying.  But I dont think anyone is settling for anything.  It's not like we're saying that we're good at slot WR for the next 5 years with Ward 😄.  I mean he's played in what 11 games?  4 last year and 7 this year I think?

 

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

At least for a couple years.  The guy brings value off the field also like Avant did.

I'm fine with #4.  I just don't like when the #4 is our #1 or #2.  

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I disagree i said when Williams got that contract it was a good contract cause if he flopped you could just release him after the first year or restructure it based on how that contract was written out. I’m actually surprised the raiders didn’t restructure it before he got hurt this offseason. They could’ve reduced his cap number. It basically only had guaranteed money the first year

as for brown he’s known about his sickle cell since 2016. He was cheap cause he was coming off a down year in Arizona as he also missed 6 games. Can say that derailed him however he was cheap option they could’ve went with. It was low risk high reward. Again they also could’ve signed them in the 2019 off-season when they traded for DeShawn. He had proven that when Joe Flacco was out there at quarterback he was really good. So even if they didn’t sign him in 2018 had a chance again in 2019 after he proved he was good

The sickle cell trait led to frequent injuries. He said it took him awhile to get a handle on it and to figure out how to keep his body healthy. 

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I get what you're saying.  But I dont think anyone is settling for anything.  It's not like we're saying that we're good at slot WR for the next 5 years with Ward 😄.  I mean he's played in what 11 games?  4 last year and 7 this year I think?

 

There are people in here who think he’s a proven, good #3 receiver. That’s why I pushback so hard. I don’t agree with that at all. Him as the #4, now we’re cooking. 

18 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Greg ward is the long term #4 receiver, a role he is well suited for.  
 

End of discussion.

Greg Ward is the new Paul Turner and he's better..... yeah, I said it.😉

 

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Greg Ward is the new Paul Turner and he's better..... yeah, I said it.😉

 

The biggest difference between Greg Ward and Paul Turner is sustained opportunity.  

Just now, eagle45 said:

The biggest difference between Greg Ward and Paul Turner is sustained opportunity.  

Nah. You’re getting carried away. Turner wasn’t an NFL player. 

I do believe Deontay Burnett might be just as good as Ward though. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There are people in here who think he’s a proven, good #3 receiver. That’s why I pushback so hard. I don’t agree with that at all. Him as the #4, now we’re cooking. 

Negligible difference in an offense uses the te and a top three wr