2 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

The key is he was getting rid of the ball

But had a rough day ,under 200 yards passing , Thomas had 17 yards receiving ,because of pressure and coverage holding true.

Weird game , the other team beat themselves with stupid penalties and turnovers...hell , Kamara had 16 yards rushing. 

My point is, I personally prefer the line to be built inside out.

13 minutes ago, greend said:

I would argue with you on the "quality" of our edge rushers but instead I'll ask you a question. Because we are unable to find in your words quality edge rushers we should not find good players to collapse the pocket?  So your strategy would be to not try and find good players to fill other positions until we have good players at other positions?

You only get so many resources.  Hargrave is a good player.  I'm simply questioning trippling up on DT mega-contracts as the rest of the roster falls apart.

I would also argue that the marginal benefit between the 5 best non-Aron Donald DTs in the NFL and a merely good DT is a lot smaller than the margin between the 5 best DE's in the NFL (subtract the best one for consistency) and a merely good starting DE.

 

36 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How is Seattle built in a more conventional fashion? They have zero edge players that are any good. They traded the farm for a safety? Their OL is bad. 

There is no worse way to build a team than Seattle. Without Wilson, it all falls apart.

Just now, RLC said:

There is no worse way to build a team than Seattle. Without Wilson, it all falls apart.

Well, there's one conventional thing about it.  2020...built around the QB and his WRs.

The guy in KC isnt bad ,their best dl period...plays inside 

39 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How is Seattle built in a more conventional fashion? They have zero edge players that are any good. They traded the farm for a safety? Their OL is bad. 

Seattle is such a strange team. You could easily argue the Wilson is the MVP every year, because if he goes down they go from a playoff team to a 4 win team. It's crazy what they ask of him, but he's really really really good. 

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You only get so many resources.  Hargrave is a good player.  I'm simply questioning trippling up on DT mega-contracts as the rest of the roster falls apart.

Maybe they were worried about Jackson, maybe they expect some "quality" play from the edges. I'm not going to worry about adding 1 more good player in a premium spot. 

Adam's  had a heck of a first game

12 tackles

2 tackles for loss 

1 sack

 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Maybe they were worried about Jackson, maybe they expect some "quality" play from the edges. I'm not going to worry about adding 1 more good player in a premium spot. 

Your quality play from edges will be the next shoe to drop on this team.  2019 was WR, 2020 was OL...in 2021, the lights go out at DE.

You know there may be some merit to the injury thing with Wentz. He seemingly hasn't been the same since his 2017 injury. Would be interested to know if he's still as fast as he was then. Possibly he is trying to overcome his lack of mobility by becoming a better pocket passer. Idk just spit balling here

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I would also argue that the marginal benefit between the 5 best non-Aron Donald DTs in the NFL and a merely good DT is a lot smaller than the margin between the 5 best DE's in the NFL (subtract the best one for consistency) and a merely good starting DE.

 

I agree, kind of tried to make this point last night.  We have had to call on a number of JAG 3rd and 4th DT's the past few seasons and have been just fine.  Our best DE, Graham, is known best for his run stopping ability....in a passing league.  The Eagles will get sacks throughout the year but they have nothing to fear from a pass rush standpoint. 

We have 19.71% of our cap this year going towards Cox, Jackson, Hargrave, BG, Barnett and Curry.  14% strictly to the top 3 DTs.  With that much money dedicated to the d-line they better be dominant.  Jackson stood out a few times, Cox turns in on for a play or 2 but nothing like you want from $100 million.  The ROI on D-line is just not there.

Our defense is fine, that wasn’t the problem.

We had a strip sack inside their 20 and their offense couldnt put together a long drive 

our secondary was always going to be a work in progress

 

our problem is our thoroughly embarrassing offense.  We must beat the Rams and the offense must be vastly improved

the rams are 1-0 and come across country for a 1pm game.  This has to be a win.  I don’t care if they line up in the freakin Wing T, just do not let the Rams DL win them the game

1 minute ago, greend said:

You know there may be some merit to the injury thing with Wentz. He seemingly hasn't been the same since his 2017 injury. Would be interested to know if he's still as fast as he was then. Possibly he is trying to overcome his lack of mobility by becoming a better pocket passer. Idk just spit balling here

I think he still has the mobility.  I could be wrong but didn't he make a claim he had to be smarter and didn't want to be a running quarterback a few years back?  He seems like a cerebral guy and once something is in his head he sticks to it.  For some reason getting rid of the ball isn't one of those things.

1 minute ago, greend said:

You know there may be some merit to the injury thing with Wentz. He seemingly hasn't been the same since his 2017 injury. Would be interested to know if he's still as fast as he was then. Possibly he is trying to overcome his lack of mobility by becoming a better pocket passer. Idk just spit balling here

If we are worried that a 5th year veteran franchise QB with major arm talent isn't as fast as he used to be, 99% of problem is that we are still relying on his speed/athleticism instead of passing and 1% of the problem is that he's not as fast as he used to be.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Our defense is fine, that wasn’t the problem.

We had a strip sack inside their 20 and their offense couldnt put together a long drive 

our secondary was always going to be a work in progress

 

our problem is our thoroughly embarrassing offense.  We must beat the Rams and the offense must be vastly improved

the rams are 1-0 and come across country for a 1pm game.  This has to be a win.  I don’t care if they line up in the freakin Wing T, just do not let the Rams DL win them the game

Our defense is just a defense.  There is nothing special about it.  They don't make impact plays.  They will force a punt which is great don't get me wrong but they aren't taking over games, getting in quarterbacks heads, creating turnovers at a high rate.  We talk about JAG players.  Our defense is JAD.  Half of that is because of the talent, the other half is the scheme that Jim Schwartz plays.

 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If we are worried that a 5th year veteran franchise QB with major arm talent isn't as fast as he used to be, 99% of problem is that we are still relying on his speed/athleticism instead of passing and 1% of the problem is that he's not as fast as he used to be.

He's more accurate on the move, no?

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think he still has the mobility.  I could be wrong but didn't he make a claim he had to be smarter and didn't want to be a running quarterback a few years back?  He seems like a cerebral guy and once something is in his head he sticks to it.  For some reason getting rid of the ball isn't one of those things.

allegedly he has a photographic memory , if my non photographic memory serves me.

I still really love Wentz as our franchise QB.  Ignoring Mahomes (and ignoring yesterday), there really are no other under-30 QB's I'd rather build my team around.

Wentz has a huge, effortless arm.  He has a very rare combination of intelligence, competitive drive, and (seemingly) being a good, non-combustible team-mate.  He always says the right thing in front of a mic.  And he's got the frame, strength, and athleticism that are prototypical for the position.  

Even though 50 fumbles in 57 games is an abysmal statistic, I can somewhat overlook his relentless tendency to put the ball on the turf while extending plays as a still correctable flaw in a smart player.

What really bothers me is that we are 5 years in and he still has rookie-level mechanics (with a loooong loopy release) and alternates between looking like Mahomes/Manning and a mediocre QB.  I don't think it's any coincidence that the 1st flaw creates the 2nd.  And my main concern is that...5 years in...we can pretty much say for certain that the mechanical issues are never changing.  It's all but a fixed deficit.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

He's more accurate on the move, no?

allegedly he has a photographic memory , if my non photographic memory serves me.

That was just part of the rookie hype as he was acclimating quickly, not sure I buy it.  He wouldn't have a wristband with the plays on it if he did.  

And there is a problem with a QB's mechanics if they are more accurate on the move (which he is) that exceeds any problems with declining speed.

Spotrac really is an eye opening site to visit.  When you dig in to breakdowns you see how poorly this roster is constructed.

You have 11% of your cap going to Jeffrey and DJack.  Jeffrey, we don't know when he will play and at what level and DJack is on a pitch count so he doesn't get hurt.  We got nothing out of them in week 1.

Almost 11% of the cap is going to Cox and that goes up to almost 12% next year.  What are they getting from him?  4 sacks, double teams and the occasional bull rush?  

Carson eats up 17% next year.   

30% of the 2021 salary cap for 2 guys. 

Carson needs to prove he is elite this year.  You pay for Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees.  Carson isn't on that level but he's getting paid like it.  I've been a Wentz supporter his entire time here but this is year 5.  Time to put on the big boy pants and put this team on your shoulders.

I'm not ready to give up on Wentz yet but the more you look at the NFL you either win with elite QB play or you win with an average QB with a great team built around him.  I still don't like the Hurts pick but I bet in year 3 he could give you what Nick Foles did in 2017 at a fraction of the cost of Wentz. 

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Our defense is just a defense.  There is nothing special about it.  They don't make impact plays.  They will force a punt which is great don't get me wrong but they aren't taking over games, getting in quarterbacks heads, creating turnovers at a high rate.  We talk about JAG players.  Our defense is JAD.  Half of that is because of the talent, the other half is the scheme that Jim Schwartz plays.

 

the point is the JAD wasnt the problem. the offense and the play calling was. again. 

 

doug's offense is too predictable and bland. add to that the oline falling apart and we are going to suffer through a long season. 

5 minutes ago, greend said:

He's more accurate on the move, no?

allegedly he has a photographic memory , if my non photographic memory serves me.

Wentz is very, very, very good pre-snap. He knows what's seeing. The Goedert TD was Wentz correctly identifying his matchups.

He still hasn't fully figured out post-snap disguise. That's the difference between studying and executing in real-time. TBF, most QBs aren't great at this either. Washington used a ton of zone coverage designed to make Wentz hold the ball too.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I still really love Wentz as our franchise QB.  Ignoring Mahomes (and ignoring yesterday), there really are no other under-30 QB's I'd rather build my team around.

Wentz has a huge, effortless arm.  He has a very rare combination of intelligence, competitive drive, and (seemingly) being a good, non-combustible team-mate.  He always says the right thing in front of a mic.  And he's got the frame, strength, and athleticism that are prototypical for the position.  

Even though 50 fumbles in 57 games is an abysmal statistic, I can somewhat overlook his relentless tendency to put the ball on the turf while extending plays as a still correctable flaw in a smart player.

What really bothers me is that we are 5 years in and he still has rookie-level mechanics (with a loooong loopy release) and alternates between looking like Mahomes/Manning and a mediocre QB.  I don't think it's any coincidence that the 1st flaw creates the 2nd.  And my main concern is that...5 years in...we can pretty much say for certain that the mechanical issues are never changing.  It's pretty much a fixed deficit.

I use to feel same way about Winston, awesome college career, offers to Stanford...he us turning ball over so often because he is trying too hard ,he will be fine give him time...last year was enough...I know brady is a 2 year stop gap ,they will draft a qb early this year.

Thankfully they didnt give him a second contract,  maybe he ends up the qb for saints , I doubt it though...you are what you are after 5 years.

So what's worse?

Wentz is injured - meaning he is injured yet again and it is crystal clear that only a fool will count on him to be their QB for 16 games.

Wentz is not injured - meaning he sucks and has continued to not improve in the areas he has been struggling with since his rookie year.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That was just part of the rookie hype as he was acclimating quickly, not sure I buy it.  He wouldn't have a wristband with the plays on it if he did.  

And there is a problem with a QB's mechanics if they are more accurate on the move (which he is) that exceeds any problems with declining speed.

Not if that's what he/we rely on. Sometimes old habits are hard to break especially if that's what you have been doing since football was a thing for you. In fact maybe asking him to do that is what's messing with his head. That said let's see how this season progresses.