Everyone who follows football accepts the adage, "It all starts up front."  Well, the corollary of that is "It all stops up front."

No QB would have had success behind that OL.

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

Everyone who follows football accepts the adage, "It all starts up front."  Well, the corollary of that is "It all stops up front."

No QB would have had success behind that OL.

Randall would have but then would lose in the first round after going 10-6

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Seriously. What a poor example of being "conventional.”

If we want to throw stones at the team we wouldn't beat if the future of our franchise depended on it in our best year ever, then I guess we can do that.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If we want to throw stones at the team we wouldn't beat if the future of our franchise depended on it in our best year ever, then I guess we can do that.

No, I’m throwing stones at their "conventional” way of building the team. 

Now that Pete Carroll has joined the 2020s and realized he has the second or third best QB in the world on his team, I think they’re the team to heat in the NFC. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Please work in some easier stuff this week. 

Haha last year everyone complained about lack of downfield throws 

18 minutes ago, TrotterIsGod said:

Wentz had no place to step up and throw. Give him a pocket and we win by 30.  Just one man's opinion of course. 

Shh, they'll call you a Wentz apologist. 

Guy didn't have a great game by any means, but he was on the ground the entire time. This is with players dropping the ball (Ertz, Hightower) when they were on the money and zero run game. This is with new players (Reagor, Hightower, Jackson...in some capacity) and timing not lining up after a weird camp and no preseason.

Wentz didn't have a good game. He didn't. It might've been one of the worst he's had in a while, if ever. No one else thinks being down 4 offensive lineman in the pandemic year has anything to do with it? Funny.

Everyone will back away from the ledge when we beat the Rams.

9 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Everyone who follows football accepts the adage, "It all starts up front."  Well, the corollary of that is "It all stops up front."

No QB would have had success behind that OL.

He did for basically a half, and then he fell apart and Doug didn’t help him out. 

Russell Wilson makes it work pretty often despite the coaching staff not helping him. Of course, he’s elite and a hall of famer. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

He did for basically a half, and then he fell apart and Doug didn’t help him out. 

Russell Wilson makes it work pretty often despite the coaching staff not helping him. Of course, he’s elite and a hall of famer. 

He's also had to run for his life for the majority of his career

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Shh, they'll call you a Wentz apologist. 

Guy didn't have a great game by any means, but he was on the ground the entire time. This is with players dropping the ball (Ertz, Hightower) when they were on the money and zero run game. This is with new players (Reagor, Hightower, Jackson...in some capacity) and timing not lining up after a weird camp and no preseason.

Wentz didn't have a good game. He didn't. It might've been one of the worst he's had in a while, if ever. No one else thinks being down 4 offensive lineman in the pandemic year has anything to do with it? Funny.

Everyone will back away from the ledge when we beat the Rams.

You don’t think we realize poor offensive line play played a role? The discussion since Sunday has been...

1) Wentz stunk.

2) The OL was as bad as its ever been. 

3) Doug didn’t adjust the play calling due to the above. 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

He's also had to run for his life for the majority of his career

Hey, don’t you dare cast stones at that conventionally run franchise!

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Haha last year everyone complained about lack of downfield throws 

They need to keep it going, but they just need to be a little bit more calculating about things.

Last year, the entire offense lived at the LOS.  Week 1, they just mindlessly heaved prayers downfield after the offense stalled.  It's either an underneath safety net throw to a TE in 12 personnel or a deep heave with no timing.

I actually don't intend that to be an indictment on the coaching.  Desean is a porcelain decoy unless he's tracking one deep ball in a foot race per quarter.  Reagor is a deep threat who clearly needs more work on the nuance and timing of his underneath routes.  And then they've got TE's and Ward, who is a pure UDFA talent underneath set of hands who will stand in the right place.  

As a result of personnel limitations, the offense is either check down short of the sticks or heave a prayer deep.

Their best chance at changing that is Reagor learning the full route tree ASAP and Hightower developing (and the OL getting healthy to balance a running game).  I'm not sure there is a way to coach, scheme, or playcall out of this problem.

29 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Is he healthy or are they going to put a limping Lane in because this Oline sucks

This was only last year

 

 

 

Eagles were top 3 against the run just last year

so by your rolley eyes emoji you think he is the same as 2017?

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Shh, they'll call you a Wentz apologist. 

Guy didn't have a great game by any means, but he was on the ground the entire time. This is with players dropping the ball (Ertz, Hightower) when they were on the money and zero run game. This is with new players (Reagor, Hightower, Jackson...in some capacity) and timing not lining up after a weird camp and no preseason.

Wentz didn't have a good game. He didn't. It might've been one of the worst he's had in a while, if ever. No one else thinks being down 4 offensive lineman in the pandemic year has anything to do with it? Funny.

Everyone will back away from the ledge when we beat the Rams.

The offensive line was bad and so was Wentz. I love Wentz but bad is bad and he would say so himself

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

They need to keep it going, but they just need to be a little bit more calculating about things.

Last year, the entire offense lived at the LOS.  Week 1, they just mindlessly heaved prayers downfield after the offense stalled.  It's either an underneath safety net throw to a TE in 12 personnel or a deep heave with no timing.

I actually don't intend that to be an indictment on the coaching.  Desean is a porcelain decoy unless he's tracking one deep ball in a foot race per quarter.  Reagor is a deep threat who clearly needs more work on the nuance and timing of his underneath routes.  And then they've got TE's and Ward, who is a pure UDFA talent underneath set of hands who will stand in the right place.  

As a result of personnel limitations, the offense is either check down short of the sticks or heave a prayer deep.

Their best chance at changing that is Reagor learning the full route tree ASAP and Hightower developing (and the OL getting healthy to balance a running game).  I'm not sure there is a way to coach, scheme, or playcall out of this problem.

It’s all irrelevant without a run game. That needs to be their focus vs the Rams. Establish. The. North/South. Run game. 
 

The rest will take care of itself. 

I've mostly been defending Wentz today, but those highlight reel clips to argue he's still great are precisely the problem.

Yes, 2 QB's in the NFL can make that throw to Sanders.  And I'd gladly trade that single TD throw to Sanders for a fumble volume that is more in line with what 25 other QB's in the NFL can manage.

I'd trade it for being on the field in more than 0 of the last 3 seasons as the clock expired on the season.

I'd trade being one of 2 QB's in the NFL who can make a once per season throw for being one of the 5 most consistently prolific passers in the NFL.

11 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Haha last year everyone complained about lack of downfield throws 

I want downfield throws, but when the OL is getting whooped you have to adjust some. 

6 minutes ago, greend said:

so by your rolley eyes emoji you think he is the same as 2017?

No. He was in 2019

Something was off on Sunday. He didn't want to move around. Either he was told to stop doing that or he's not 100%

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I want downfield throws, but when the OL is getting whooped you have to adjust some. 

Agree, but you do it by check downs to the backs. Still run the same patterns, up to the QB to read he doesn't have time. 

Which is what Washington should have gotten. A steady flow of Clements in the flat / running behind the DE's ( The Rook looked like he was reading it, didn't pay attn to Sweat's side) 

But with Wentz's obvious accuracy issues that might have gotten ugly as well. He was just lacking in full game speed "reps" to me.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

No. He was in 2019

Something was off on Sunday. He didn't want to move around. Either he was told to stop doing that or he's not 100%

I'll disagree with that, but that's okay we'll move on I sure as heck don't hate the guy by any means

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I've mostly been defending Wentz today, but those highlight reel clips to argue he's still great are precisely the problem.

Yes, 2 QB's in the NFL can make that throw to Sanders.  And I'd gladly trade that single TD throw to Sanders for a fumble volume that is more in line with what 25 other QB's in the NFL can manage.

I'd trade it for being on the field in more than 0 of the last 3 seasons as the clock expired on the season.

I'd trade being one of 2 QB's in the NFL who can make a once per season throw for being one of the 5 most consistently prolific passers in the NFL.

Why not just quote me

You'd trade outcomes. Would you trade Wentz?

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh snap.  Neighbor got served papers by the Sheriff.  What could that be?  More at 11.  

Probably just getting sued. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Last year was 2019 brah.  

He quoted me saying he hasn't been the same since 2017, brah

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Why not just quote me

You'd trade outcomes. Would you trade Wentz?

Because I'd be quoting 4 video clips and taking up an entire page.  

Generally speaking, I absolutely would not trade Wentz.  Although every player has a price...

My point is that I don't care about that throw when he's doing lots of little things wrong that cumulatively, vastly outweigh the rare huge plays that only he can make.

 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh.  Ok brah.  

Thanks,brah

14 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh snap.  Neighbor got served papers by the Sheriff.  What could that be?  More at 11.  

Setting up surveillance on your house?