2 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I’ve watched them all since the early 80’s. Not playing well - yes. Toast? All done? After 3-4 poor games is a bit extreme. 
So maybe Wentz doesn’t suck then?

Did I say he was toast?  I said he's a declining player.  They have his predecessor in Goedert and Rodgers is proving to be more than capable of handling the #2 TE position.  You have to pay Goedert next year.  You can't in any way invest in both of them.  I'm not letting the younger, more dynamic player leave because we have feelings for Ertz.  Get what you can for him while you can get it.  Many of us were calling for this before this season and then the way he started the year off it became more apparent that trading Ertz isn't crazy or a bad idea.  It's going to help the Eagles moving forward.

It will be interesting to see how Ceedee's body holds up over time.  He seems pretty skinny and I don't see his frame allowing him to add a ton of bulk.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Did I say he was toast?  I said he's a declining player.  They have his predecessor in Goedert and Rodgers is proving to be more than capable of handling the #2 TE position.  You have to pay Goedert next year.  You can't in any way invest in both of them.  I'm not letting the younger, more dynamic player leave because we have feelings for Ertz.  Get what you can for him while you can get it.  Many of us were calling for this before this season and then the way he started the year off it became more apparent that trading Ertz isn't crazy or a bad idea.  It's going to help the Eagles moving forward.

I’ll agree to disagree. And I don’t think much of Richard Rodgers though I will root for him. Didn’t mean to lump you in with calling him a quitter however ... if John Harbaugh and Ozzie Newsome are inquiring about him (as well as the Packers) I tend to believe he’s got plenty left in the tank. 

23 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, I wasn't over the moon for lamb,he's a nice player and he's just average all across the board. If I'm drafting a WR in the 1st round I need him to have at least one elite trait. Ruggs, reagor have elite speed, lamb does not. Higgins ,claypool have elite size, lamb does not,juedy has elite quickness, lamb does not. lambs size is average, his athletic numbers are all pretty average, having said that he has good hands and is tough after the catch. He reminds me of a more sure handed reggie brown and I think he's looked good but as you've said if howie traded up for lamb and he wasn't top 5 among rookie receivers howie would get killed 

 

Just pointing out before Dak got hurt lamb Was on pace to get close to 1400 yards. I don’t care who’s around him, how many rookies put up 1000 yards let alone nearly 1400 yards. The argument he has Cooper, Gallup and Zeke to help him can also be used against them as they should be also taking away some of his production as their were a ton of mouths to feed and keep  Happy . Yet he was on pace with Amari Cooper. 

People need to get off this he doesn’t have elite speed or doesn’t have a elite size so he can’t be a good wide Receiver or worthy of a first rounder. Thielen does not have great size or great speed. He’s been a top 15 wide receiver for the last three years. Devante Adams did not have a great speed and is about the same size as lamb yet he’s one of the best in the league. To be exact Adams ran the same exact 40 time as lamb. And he is an inch shorter than lamb. And only has 10 pounds more on lamb. Yes neither one of those guys were first round picks. However it shows you you don’t need to have all that to be one of the better wide receivers in the league. Do you know who had great elite size and speed? Kevin white. the Bears draft him Top 10. And he was terrible. 

the reality is if lamb was here doing what he did with Dak the first five weeks of the season, We’d anoint him As the best wr we’ve drafted since desean and maclin. 

8 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I’ve watched them all since the early 80’s. Not playing well - yes. Toast? All done? After 3-4 poor games is a bit extreme. 
So maybe Wentz doesn’t suck then?

I don't think Ertz has completely mailed it in and I think he's frustrated, frustrated because he wants to be paid like a TE and frustrated realizing he's not. Ertz is a big WR he doesn't block at all and his blocking has never been good. He doesn't get yac never has and he's never been a high out put td scorer. His high in a season is 8. Jimmy graham another non blocking big WR has a high of 16 tds in 1 season and 3 other seasons of tds in double figures 

Ertz never was more than just a big WR who ran precise routes and had good hands, now that he's older he's still that at not as high a level and doesn't have nor ever did have other skills that make him a valuable TE.

He knows this most fans know this his agent knows this and other teams know this and as he's comes to realize this hes not performed as enthusiastically as he did before. Ertz used to be a hungry dog, now he's an old dog with one trick and that one trick isn't all that impressive anymore 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

I don't think Ertz has completely mailed it in and I think he's frustrated, frustrated because he wants to be paid like a TE and frustrated realizing he's not. Ertz is a big WR he doesn't block at all and his blocking has never been good. He doesn't get yac never has and he's never been a high out put td scorer. His high in a season is 8. Jimmy graham another non blocking big WR has a high of 16 tds in 1 season and 3 other seasons of tds in double figures 

Ertz never was more than just a big WR who ran precise routes and had good hands, now that he's older he's still that at not as high a level and doesn't have nor ever did have other skills that make him a valuable TE.

He knows this most fans know this his agent knows this and other teams know this and as he's comes to realize this hes not performed as enthusiastically as he did before. Ertz used to be a hungry dog, now he's an old dog with one trick and that one trick isn't all that impressive anymore 

Wow. That’s great for Jimmy Graham btw. If you’re throwing out stats how many 116 catch season to Jimmy Graham have? 
Like I said when a guy doesn’t play well apparently he can’t play anymore. How do you play enthusiastically when you and the whole team looks like ish? 

22 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Yet he’s the only guy on Social media Who’s injured sending out tweets for his guys. Like I said when teams and players aren’t performing well "looks can be deceiving”. To say he’s mailing it in is ludicrous. Struggling - sure. Frustrated - sure. A Quitter - no way.

Keeping Ertz after this season will just add to the team’s cap issues.  The team needs to get younger, faster, and cheaper.  Goedert is already on the roster to fill the younger, faster, and cheaper criteria.  Ertz turning down any reasonable extension offer pretty much dictates he’ll be going elsewhere — he has said so himself.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Keeping Ertz after this season will just add to the team’s cap issues.  The team needs to get younger, faster, and cheaper.  Goedert is already on the roster to fill the younger, faster, and cheaper criteria.  Ertz turning down any reasonable extension offer pretty much dictates he’ll be going elsewhere — he has said so himself.

That’s fine but that doesn’t mean the guy can’t play anymore or he doesn’t care. I get the Eagles have cap issues and that he may be traded at some point, all it means to me is we can’t afford him based on the fact we’ve overpaid the wrong guys. Ertz wasn’t one of them. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

It' hasnt been 100 out of 100. but nice try

Pretty darn close.  Quit taking the loser mentality.

 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just pointing out before Dak got hurt lamb Was on pace to get close to 1400 yards. I don’t care who’s around him, how many rookies put up 1000 yards let alone nearly 1400 yards. The argument he has Cooper, Gallup and Zeke to help him can also be used against them as they should be also taking away some of his production as their were a ton of mouths to feed and keep  Happy . Yet he was on pace with Amari Cooper. 

People need to get off this he doesn’t have elite speed or doesn’t have a elite size so he can’t be a good wide Receiver or worthy of a first rounder. Thielen does not have great size or great speed. He’s been a top 15 wide receiver for the last three years. Devante Adams did not have a great speed and is about the same size as lamb yet he’s one of the best in the league. To be exact Adams ran the same exact 40 time as lamb. And he is an inch shorter than lamb. And only has 10 pounds more on lamb. Yes neither one of those guys were first round picks. However it shows you you don’t need to have all that to be one of the better wide receivers in the league. Do you know who had great elite size and speed? Kevin white. the Bears draft him Top 10. And he was terrible. 

the reality is if lamb was here doing what he did with Dak the first five weeks of the season, We’d anoint him As the best wr we’ve drafted since desean and maclin. 

Yup and there's a reason those guys weren't drafted or not in the first.

A lot of resources go into drafting a first round player, to decrease the risk one will take into account as many traits as one can that one can use to project a player. 

CD lamb had a lot of good things going for him pre draft, great college production playing in a top conference to go along with good tape. He looks faster on tape than his 40 time and looks more athletic. What he had going against him is poor testing numbers, and no I e plays defense in his college conference.

I thought there were other guys in the draft that had just as many pros as Lamb and not the same cons or their pros projected to the nfl more so than lamb 

I'm not saying he's no good I just didn't and don't think he was is  that much better than other guys in his class. I think if you put lamb in the same situation juedy is at in denver lamb probably struggles as well.

Lots of rookie WRs in good positions this year with other guys around them taking off pressure.

I mean claypool in pitt whose been good is almost an after thought in that offense as there are other guys like ju ju taking attention.

Same goes for lamb. With gallup and cooper on the outside and Zeke in the  back he's had a ton of favorable match ups from the slot. Not holding it against him but let's not act like he and jefferson and higgins and claypool are beating up on number 1 corners.

That and the league makes it easier and easier for rookie WRs and all WRs to be successful, which is a bigger knock on JJAW.☹️

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Anyone interested? What would it take?

1 minute ago, goeagles5039 said:

What would it take?

A way better cap situation

4 minutes ago, goeagles5039 said:

Anyone interested? What would it take?

Just turned 27.  Seems to be a ball hawk.  Cap hit isn't terrible.  I wonder what he would cost/what we are willing to give up?  Would a 3rd rounder get it done?

edit:  I lied, I was looking at the wrong line.  Cap hit isn't going to be doable.

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

Just turned 27.  Seems to be a ball hawk.  Cap hit isn't terrible.  I wonder what he would cost/what we are willing to give up?  Would a 3rd rounder get it done?

edit:  I lied, I was looking at the wrong line.  Cap hit isn't going to be doable.

In some ways... Shame we traded for Slay during the off season. 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

In some ways... Shame we traded for Slay during the off season. 

I'm not sure about that.  Slay is a heck of a player and nearly the same age.

edit:  I lied again, I am not doing very good today.  Slay is 2 years older.  Good call.

Just now, Khani1 said:

I'm not sure about that.  Slay is a heck of a player and nearly the same age.

Slay is 2 years older (roughly). Yeah he's a Heck of a player but he won't be here when this team gets back to where it wants to be. 

8 minutes ago, goeagles5039 said:

Anyone interested? What would it take?

Doesn’t seem like a guy Howie usually takes with his off field issues 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Slay is 2 years older (roughly). Yeah he's a Heck of a player but he won't be here when this team gets back to where it wants to be. 

Yeah I adjusted my post.  Good call.

Since it won't happen, just dream of what this secondary could look like with Slay and Howard on the outside.  Man oh man.

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

In some ways... Shame we traded for Slay during the off season. 

Honestly both Slay and Hargrave are going go see their talents go to waste here unless the Eagles turn it around fast.  Both on 3 year deals.  Do the Eagles really have what it takes to flip this roster over the next 2 years?  This year is a wash.  We might make the playoffs but that's because the East sucks.  Next year I have no idea what's going to happen.  How do they get out of cap hell?  What does Howie do in the draft?  By the time their contracts are up will be the time this team is ready to compete again. 

16 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup and there's a reason those guys weren't drafted or not in the first.

A lot of resources go into drafting a first round player, to decrease the risk one will take into account as many traits as one can that one can use to project a player. 

CD lamb had a lot of good things going for him pre draft, great college production playing in a top conference to go along with good tape. He looks faster on tape than his 40 time and looks more athletic. What he had going against him is poor testing numbers, and no I e plays defense in his college conference.

I thought there were other guys in the draft that had just as many pros as Lamb and not the same cons or their pros projected to the nfl more so than lamb 

I'm not saying he's no good I just didn't and don't think he was is  that much better than other guys in his class. I think if you put lamb in the same situation juedy is at in denver lamb probably struggles as well.

Lots of rookie WRs in good positions this year with other guys around them taking off pressure.

I mean claypool in pitt whose been good is almost an after thought in that offense as there are other guys like ju ju taking attention.

Same goes for lamb. With gallup and cooper on the outside and Zeke in the  back he's had a ton of favorable match ups from the slot. Not holding it against him but let's not act like he and jefferson and higgins and claypool are beating up on number 1 corners.

That and the league makes it easier and easier for rookie WRs and all WRs to be successful, which is a bigger knock on JJAW.☹️

I don’t disagree with that part. The ones who are struggling like jeudy who is playing down fant much of the year, Sutton our, hamler been our and lock out. It makes a difference for all of them not to be the primary and sometimes even secondary. 

and they weren’t but realistically if you knew they’d turn out the way they did they should’ve been. I use the combine as a helpful tool but i think get wayyyy too carried away with combine numbers instead of seeing if it matches up on tape. 

19 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Wow. That’s great for Jimmy Graham btw. If you’re throwing out stats how many 116 catch season to Jimmy Graham have? 
Like I said when a guy doesn’t play well apparently he can’t play anymore. How do you play enthusiastically when you and the whole team looks like ish? 

 It's not about throwing out stats. Catching tds is a more valued stat than catching passes and while Ertz has always been a great receiving target he hasn't been much of a td maker.

Like I said Ertz one good skill, catching ten yard passes isn't at a level that makes up for the lack of other skills.

One used to say well it's ok he doesn't block or get yac or score a ton of tds because he catches 116 passes at around 11 yards per catch and 74% catch rate, that's elite.

He's not that player any more, he wasn't that player last year and a year later he's even less than that player.

If he could block one might be able to justify the drop in receiving production but he's never been a good blocker. If he was elite in the red zone like jimmy graham was then one could justify keeping him around as a role player. Since he doesn't block doesn't catch a ton of tds he's just a slower aging big slot WR.

At this point in his career goedert is the better receiving threat and the better blocker, which would make Ertz the number 2 TE which normally number 2 TEs do more blocking, since Ertz doesn't block what's his role? Big slow slot WR???

Which just makes the offense slow.

Ertz needs to be gone yesterday, always be thankful for him and the super bowl and all the years he played at an elite level and those times are in the past and his role on this team as constructed at his cost no longer makes sense. it's unfortunate he's hurt and will be through the deadline as I'm sure the eagles would have and should have traded him.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Honestly both Slay and Hargrave are going go see their talents go to waste here unless the Eagles turn it around fast.  Both on 3 year deals.  Do the Eagles really have what it takes to flip this roster over the next 2 years?  This year is a wash.  We might make the playoffs but that's because the East sucks.  Next year I have no idea what's going to happen.  How do they get out of cap hell?  What does Howie do in the draft?  By the time their contracts are up will be the time this team is ready to compete again. 

No offense hargrave hasn’t been very good this year so not sure if the eagles are completely wasting it. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Honestly both Slay and Hargrave are going go see their talents go to waste here unless the Eagles turn it around fast.  Both on 3 year deals.  Do the Eagles really have what it takes to flip this roster over the next 2 years?  This year is a wash.  We might make the playoffs but that's because the East sucks.  Next year I have no idea what's going to happen.  How do they get out of cap hell?  What does Howie do in the draft?  By the time their contracts are up will be the time this team is ready to compete again. 

It will take a lot of work including hitting on good draft picks but its possible we could have some of the young guys playing well by the time they are on their last year of their deals, and make a run that year.