3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That really wasn’t the point.  But most understand the reason you don’t put your top players on special teams is because (no matter how little the risk) you need them healthy on either offense or defense.

PR is not a high-risk injury position, unless the returner can’t gauge where the gunner will be when the catch is made.  Outside of getting blown up as the catch is being made it’s very rare for the PR to get injured.  WR get injured with more frequency by coming down after leaving their feet for a high pass, for instance.

Just now, downundermike said:

Desean Jackson had played in 7 of the last 24 games and had not returned one punt the entire time.

Right.  So why use him now? He’s 34 years old and coming off an injury.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

PR is not a high-risk injury position, unless the returner can’t gauge where the gunner will be when the catch is made.  Outside of getting blown up as the catch is being made it’s very rare for the PR to get injured.  WR get injured with more frequency by coming down after leaving their feet for a high pass, for instance.

So why don’t teams use their top players on special teams? 

11 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes and when one makes a poor decision like the above, one doesn't amplify that mistake by using a known Injury risk player on a high risk inury play like a PR.

Everybody knew Desean was an Injury risk saying I told you so when he gets hurt is petty.

Good luck to desean, not sure what his prognosis is and if and when he'll be back but I'll be glad when he is, he's entertaining to watch.

 

I don’t think it as petty at all as ive had multiple posters on here try to explain to me before the season that desean was far more likely to play more than 13 games this year and could be relied upon. So really there’s just some delusional fans that believe that it was a smart decision to rely on jackson heading into 2020 after he’s shown prior to not be reliable anymore. Heck there were fans on here who thought alshon was gonna come back and things would be fine. Again delusional 

and to your first point, bullcrap. You utilize him to the max knowing he has limited bullets left in the gun. I’m using to his max because on any Given play it’s likely he’s going to get hurt and i don’t have him anymore. So I’m using him and running him into the ground when i can cause i can’t rely on him more than the play he’s out on the field  

Also If you believe with the game And season on the line in a crucial divisional game where this rivalry has been won on punt returns and an offense that had been atrocious outside of 3 of their 11 possessions isn’t the time to use him than you are foolish. I’ve seen Andy Reid use Tyreek hill in critical times as punt returner. Heck I’ve seen the texans use fuller as a punt returner this year when the game as was on the line and that dude is a walking injury. 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

So why don’t teams use their top players on special teams? 

1.  Who do you assume these top players are?

2.  Why do you assume they would automatically be good PR?

14 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I would love a Bears vs Eagles playoff game.  Would likely finally end the Wentz vs Foles debate.  

Or make it worse.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think it as petty at all as ive had multiple posters on here try to explain to me before the season that desean was far more likely to play more than 13 games this year and could be relied upon. So really there’s just some delusional fans that believe that it was a smart decision to rely on jackson heading into 2020 after he’s shown prior to not be reliable anymore. Heck there were fans on here who thought alshon was gonna come back and things would be fine. Again delusional 

and to your first point, bullcrap. You utilize him to the max knowing he has limited bullets left in the gun. I’m using to his max because on any Given play it’s likely he’s going to get hurt and i don’t have him anymore. So I’m using him and running him into the ground when i can cause i can’t rely on him more than the play he’s out on the field  

Also If you believe with the game And season on the line in a crucial divisional game where this rivalry has been won on punt returns and an offense that had been atrocious outside of 3 of their 11 possessions isn’t the time to use him than you are foolish. I’ve seen Andy Reid use Tyreek hill in critical times as punt returner. Heck I’ve seen the texans use fuller as a punt returner this year when the game as was on the line and that dude is a walking injury. 

You don’t use your 34 year old, 175 lb WR who has barely seen the field because of injury on punt returns.  It’s not even a question, tbh. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

1.  Who do you assume these top players are?

2.  Why do you assume they would automatically be good PR?

Answer the question. 

44 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

For anyone saying Jackson should not be returning a punt because of injury risk, you act like he wasn't going to inevitably get hurt within a game or so anyway.  Might as well use him while he is "healthy".

The Eagles weren’t overly worried either they ran a reverse with Jackson the first play of the game. Sucks that he got hurt but I didn’t question the decision.

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Right.  So why use him now? He’s 34 years old and coming off an injury.

HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT HAVE TO BE SAID, HE ASKED TO DO IT.

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

PR is not a high-risk injury position, unless the returner can’t gauge where the gunner will be when the catch is made.  Outside of getting blown up as the catch is being made it’s very rare for the PR to get injured.  WR get injured with more frequency by coming down after leaving their feet for a high pass, for instance.

DeSean Jackson for example.

Just now, Casey @ Bat said:

The Eagles weren’t overly worried either they ran a reverse with Jackson the first play of the game. Sucks that he got hurt but I didn’t question the decision.

At least with a reverse he’s on offense.  I would rather him run 10 reverses vs a single punt return.    Although I wouldn’t advise him running reverses either.  It’s a matter of principle.  
 

Special teams players are trained to take someone’s head off.  The guy that hurt Jackson did it with intent.  Do you guys not understand that yet? 

Got all my stuff delivered today...I have an adventure ahead of me!  I hate moving....Colorado is amazing though.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

HOW MANY TIMES DOES IT HAVE TO BE SAID, HE ASKED TO DO IT.

I would have told him to sit the f down.

But I would have done it in a nicer way, like "I understand you want to help but we need you fresh on offense”. Simple. 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You don’t use your 34 year old, 175 lb WR who has barely seen the field because of injury on punt returns.  It’s not even a question, tbh. 

Answer the question. 

I already answered it for you.  It’s a different skill set.  Michael Thomas, DeAndre Hopkins, and Julio Jones being great WR does not mean they would be great PR.

18 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That really wasn’t the point.  But most understand the reason you don’t put your top players on special teams is because (no matter how little the risk) you need them healthy on either offense or defense.

Malcolm Jenkins played special teams a lot covering kicks. I get your point Nova, I just don’t agree with it. It blows that guys get hurt but you play your best players as much as possible regardless of the sport. 

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You don’t use your 34 year old, 175 lb WR who has barely seen the field because of injury on punt returns.  It’s not even a question, tbh. 

You also don’t use William fuller who’s been constantly injured throughout his career as a punt returner... wait the Texans did that in a similar instance to the eagles did. No you are just wrong. You don’t use Tyreek hill as a punt returner as he’s their best receiver... oh wait Andy has dont that in the past with the game on the line. You want me to continue ? I can bring up guys where your argument looks foolish. 

again i couldn’t give a flying F less if he’s 34 and 175 pounds. he gave you the best chance to win that game on a punt return; game that’s a must win and the offense had been crap most of the night and he asked to do it 

And to your point I’m using him all the time cause desean is only reliable play to play. So I’m running that guy into the ground And using him any chance i can knowing i have just a few plays anyway. The reality is you are delusional that other coaches haven’t put their best returners back there in critical moments of games. Heck we put maclin back to return punts in similar situations in the past and he’s as injury prone as desean. 

18 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It was a dirty hit. Can't blame Jackson IMO

yup - the injury wasn't due to his age.  

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I already answered it for you.  It’s a different skill set.  Michael Thomas, DeAndre Hopkins, and Julio Jones being great WR does not mean they would be great PR.

Why don’t the vast majority of starters play special teams? 

44 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Since when are we pitting fans against each other for backing up an eagles players.

Seems some of you would rather desean got hurt so you could say I told you so rather than desean not getting hurt and proving you wrong.

Defenses play differently with desean on the field as they respect his speed he's a weapon and the eagles are a more dangerous offense with him on the field.

Rooting for him to get hurt or being glad he did so one can say I told you so is low☹️

Look I wanted Desean to play the rest of the year but I have no problem with him being back there. We needed to win that game and it was a dirty hit that would injure anyone. Honestly, we've learned to play without d-jax sorry to say it but he is one of the least valuable receivers now.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I would have told him to sit the f down.

But I would have done it in a nicer way, like "I understand you want to help but we need you fresh on offense”. Simple. 

And as I stated previously

18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He asked to do it.  Seeing as he has been stealing money from the Eagles playing in 7 of the last 24 games, its the least he could do.

 

 

For a team that uses analytics as much as we do, we should be doing even better.

1 minute ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Malcolm Jenkins played special teams a lot covering kicks. I get your point Nova, I just don’t agree with it. It blows that guys get hurt but you play your best players as much as possible regardless of the sport. 

I respect that answer although I don’t necessarily agree.  Because the vast majority of starters in the NFL do not play special teams on a regular basis.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

What are you going to name this mountain that you're dying on?

I do not get it.  Dude has been hurt and unable to play in 17 of the last 24 games and has not returned one punt the entire time.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You also don’t use William fuller who’s been constantly injured throughout his career as a punt returner... wait the Texans did that in a similar instance to the eagles did. No you are just wrong. You don’t use Tyreek hill as a punt returner as he’s their best receiver... oh wait Andy has dont that in the past with the game on the line. You want me to continue ? I can bring up guys where your argument looks foolish. 

again i couldn’t give a flying F less if he’s 34 and 175 pounds. he gave you the best chance to win that game on a punt return; game that’s a must win and the offense had been crap most of the night and he asked to do it 

And to your point I’m using him all the time cause desean is only reliable play to play. So I’m running that guy into the ground And using him any chance i can knowing i have just a few plays anyway. The reality is you are delusional that other coaches haven’t put their best returners back there in critical moments of games. Heck we put maclin back to return punts in similar situations in the past and he’s as injury prone as desean. 

I’m actually 100% right but you wouldn’t understand because you truly don’t understand the game on the NFL level. 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

At least with a reverse he’s on offense.  I would rather him run 10 reverses vs a single punt return.    Although I wouldn’t advise him running reverses either.  It’s a matter of principle.  
 

Special teams players are trained to take someone’s head off.  The guy that hurt Jackson did it with intent.  Do you guys not understand that yet? 

Defenders in general are trained to take someone’s head off. The guy that actually hurt DeSean hit him after he was down and rolled over in him causing his leg to get caught under him. It wasn’t the 1st guy who went helmet to helmet. 
 

Either way ... I’m out of this conversation. Agree to disagree that’s all. 

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

yup - the injury wasn't due to his age.  

The age thing makes no difference In this circumstance. Put Greg ward back there and that play happens he’s getting hurt due to the dirty hit. It’s a fact that has nothing to do with a guy injuring desean on a cheap shot. It’s like say well Dak is younger than dalton and pretending like Dak wouldn’t have suffered a concussion with that type of dirty hit.