Dallas Sucks.

 

First game I’m truly pumped for since the Opener. 

40 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Two things. Larry Fitzgerald is never hurt. So there’s a big difference between DeSean Jackson and Larry Fitzgerald in terms of health.

As much as I love Larry Fitzgerald, they should be playing Danny Isabella more than fitz. Living out here and watching almost every Cardinals game, Fitz is nowhere close to the player he was. If he wasn’t as great of a player for that organization I fully believe they would’ve moved on from him and just gone with Isabella. Watch Danny Isabella when he gets chances that kid is electric. He should be there slot guy

You bite your tongue when you’re talking about an Eagles legend 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m actually 100% right but you wouldn’t understand because you truly don’t understand the game on the NFL level. 

Lol. Nothing like going to understanding the game on a nfl leveL meanwhile I’ll leave it at this, says the guy who came on here when it was 22-21 ridiculing doug for going for two. So if i were you I’d probably not speak on people understanding the game at the nfl level. Add on andy reid and the Texans have proven to use their best receivers or injury prone receivers as PR with game on the line. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

For a team that uses analytics as much as we do, we should be doing even better.

You would think that's the case but I wonder if part of that has to do with field position.  

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think it as petty at all as ive had multiple posters on here try to explain to me before the season that desean was far more likely to play more than 13 games this year and could be relied upon. So really there’s just some delusional fans that believe that it was a smart decision to rely on jackson heading into 2020 after he’s shown prior to not be reliable anymore. Heck there were fans on here who thought alshon was gonna come back and things would be fine. Again delusional 

and to your first point, bullcrap. You utilize him to the max knowing he has limited bullets left in the gun. I’m using to his max because on any Given play it’s likely he’s going to get hurt and i don’t have him anymore. So I’m using him and running him into the ground when i can cause i can’t rely on him more than the play he’s out on the field  

Also If you believe with the game And season on the line in a crucial divisional game where this rivalry has been won on punt returns and an offense that had been atrocious outside of 3 of their 11 possessions isn’t the time to use him than you are foolish. I’ve seen Andy Reid use Tyreek hill in critical times as punt returner. Heck I’ve seen the texans use fuller as a punt returner this year when the game as was on the line and that dude is a walking injury. 

If the plan was to run him Into the ground to get the most out of him than Doug and Co wouldn't have had him on a pitch count all season 

I wouldnt use desean at all on PR in any situations, the risk outweighs the reward,when was the last time desean broke a PR for a long gain or td???

If one knows the dude is injury prone which everyone did then one puts him impositions that decrease his chances of getting hurt. Don't have him run ten go routes in a row. Try to make sure one limits the hits he's taking by encouraging him to get down or out of bounds before contact, don't send him over the middle and don't line him up on PR.

One can say well sheesh that doesn't seem worth it for maybe a couple big plays a game and one could be justified in thinking that and one could argue howie and co were willing to take the chance on desean because of the value he brings when he does play.

It's unfortunate that he got hurt. His injury last year was a fluke core injury in which recovery was handled poorly by him and the team. He thought he could recover without surgery and it was valiant of him to want to try and get right to play but in the end foolish.

This year hammy injury after first game was disappointing, to have him sit out for so long to get it right to have him get hurt on an unnecessary risk where he took a cheap shot is disheartening 

At no time did I say stupid howie should have known or stupid desean is stealing money.

First thought was that was a late hit cheap shot, second thought was why the eff is an injury prone 34 year old midget receiver returning punts his first game back from injury a game they were limiting his snaps???

When it was reported desean asked to return the punt I thought if course he did, desean has always had a chip on his shoulder and I'm sure wants to prove his tater haters wrong. My second thought upon hearing that news is why did fipp agree??? Why did Doug agree.

Be smarter from an organizational srmtand point and were not having this discussion until next game he inevitably got hurt.

I'm not surprised he is hurt again, I'm mad that the he himself the coaches would be careless enough to put him in that situation after being so careful with him leading up to the game and In the game.

Would be cool if he could come back this season and go on an epic playoff run.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m actually 100% right but you wouldn’t understand because you truly don’t understand the game on the NFL level. 

Hilarious.  The you don't understand the game card.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol. Nothing like resulting to  understanding the game on a nfl leveL meanwhile I’ll leave it at this, says the guy who came on here when it was 22-21 ridiculing doug for going for two. So if i were you I’d probably not speak on people understanding the game at the nfl level. Add on a dry reid and the Texans have proven to use their best receivers or injury prone receivers as PR with game on the line. 

? Obviously it was the right call to go for 2.  I stated I misread the score.  That was an honest mistake.

Whats your excuse for insisting that starters should play on special teams?  What’s your excuse for saying that you should use one of your top players and "run him into the ground” so to speak since he’s been "injured so much” that you "might as well”? 

Smh. 

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Why don’t the vast majority of starters play special teams? 

Because football is a sport of specialization and personnel matchups — and there are 48 players dressed on game day.

You understand Chuck Bednarik played both offense and defense, and missed 3 games in 14 years, right?  Teams don’t hold guys off the field because they’re scared of them getting injured.

 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Because football is a sport of specialization and personnel matchups — and there are 48 players dressed on game day.

You understand Chuck Bednarik played both offense and defense, and missed 3 games in 14 years, right?  Teams don’t hold guys off the field because they’re scared of them getting injured.

Right.  Because the NFL is the same game it was 50+ years ago.  Wow.

15 minutes ago, greend said:

Look I wanted Desean to play the rest of the year but I have no problem with him being back there. We needed to win that game and it was a dirty hit that would injure anyone. Honestly, we've learned to play without d-jax sorry to say it but he is one of the least valuable receivers now.

Yup hightower basically does the same thing I. The offense as desean, just not at as high a level and defenses don't respect him as much as desean as hightower isn't proven yet.

Which can be an advantage as guys sleep on his deep speed like they did last week and he gets behind them.

Hightower hopefully continues to improve

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Right.  Because the NFL is the same game it was 50+ years ago.  Wow.

I don’t think you understand the psyche of the professional football player or coach.

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

? Obviously it was the right call to go for 2.  I stated I misread the score.  That was an honest mistake.

Whats your excuse for insisting that starters should play on special teams?  What’s your excuse for saying that you should use one of your top players and "run him into the ground” so to speak since he’s been "injured so much” that you "might as well”? 

Smh. 

Run him into the ground ?? He has played 7 of the last 24 games.

 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I don’t think you understand the psyche of the professional football player or coach.

The psyche should always be "to win” but thankfully, teams, players and coaches have evolved to the point that they realize that "winning in the long run” has much more to do with strategy than it has to do with making 1 play.  It can often be both but it’s not always about 1 play.  And that’s how you win Championships. 

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20 hours ago, Utebird said:

If the plan was to run him Into the ground to get the most out of him than Doug and Co wouldn't have had him on a pitch count all season 

I wouldnt use desean at all on PR in any situations, the risk outweighs the reward,when was the last time desean broke a PR for a long gain or td???

If one knows the dude is injury prone which everyone did then one puts him impositions that decrease his chances of getting hurt. Don't have him run ten go routes in a row. Try to make sure one limits the hits he's taking by encouraging him to get down or out of bounds before contact, don't send him over the middle and don't line him up on PR.

One can say well sheesh that doesn't seem worth it for maybe a couple big plays a game and one could be justified in thinking that and one could argue howie and co were willing to take the chance on desean because of the value he brings when he does play.

It's unfortunate that he got hurt. His injury last year was a fluke core injury in which recovery was handled poorly by him and the team. He thought he could recover without surgery and it was valiant of him to want to try and get right to play but in the end foolish.

This year hammy injury after first game was disappointing, to have him sit out for so long to get it right to have him get hurt on an unnecessary risk where he took a cheap shot is disheartening 

At no time did I say stupid howie should have known or stupid desean is stealing money.

First thought was that was a late hit cheap shot, second thought was why the eff is an injury prone 34 year old midget receiver returning punts his first game back from injury a game they were limiting his snaps???

When it was reported desean asked to return the punt I thought if course he did, desean has always had a chip on his shoulder and I'm sure wants to prove his tater haters wrong. My second thought upon hearing that news is why did fipp agree??? Why did Doug agree.

Be smarter from an organizational srmtand point and were not having this discussion until next game he inevitably got hurt.

I'm not surprised he is hurt again, I'm mad that the he himself the coaches would be careless enough to put him in that situation after being so careful with him leading up to the game and In the game.

Would be cool if he could come back this season and go on an epic playoff run.

1. Things change. So maybe doug realized the pitch count was dumb cause he’s gonna get hurt on a pitch count or not. There’s chance doug and the eagles change their mind knowing that was foolish and he still get hurt so why not maximize him when you have him. 

2. Cause the offense was a guarantee to score a touchdown having to go 90 yards? I think ideally you’d want to believe in your offense could but most of the night they looked awful  so you are more willing to take chances  

3. or you maximize him when you do have him to win games cause you know he’s likely not finishing the season so use him to win the games you do have him instead of what they tried doing previously  

4. Great when he does play, there’s a long history before he came here showing he wasn’t very likely to play every game and he was getting older So likely got worse then better. Add on he was a pain in he ass everywhere he’s been. So there’s that on top of it. 

5. It was a dumb plan to rely on a player who has a history (Recent) of injuries and getting older. It wasn’t going to get better as he aged. Add on he gave him an extension when he didn’t have too. Whatever spin you want to put on it, it was a poor decision and there were clear warning signs they ignored when bringing him back.  

6. Cause doug unlike you thought desean could win him a game on a punt return whereas Greg ward had also fumbled a PR late in the ravens game (edit happened 4 days earlier late in the game vs. the ravens). If desean busts that for a td you are not sitting here today saying bad move doug and fipp. You’d be praising the call to put him back there. Also I’m using all the bullets in my gun when i have them cause if i go to 1-5-1 and 0-2 in the division my season in allll likelihood is over. thats why 

7. So if he got hurt running that end around early in the game it would have been ok? That’s ridiculous. He could get hurt warming up before a game like goedert. It’s football you play to win the game and desean even at 34 has more of a chance of scoring a touchdown on a return and winning a game then Greg ward. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Run him into the ground ?? He has played 7 of the last 24 games.

Eagles eagles said they should run him into the ground because he's going to get hurt anyway so might as well get as much out of him before he gets hurt

Which sounds like what every pro player lines to hear😒

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Run him into the ground ?? He has played 7 of the last 24 games.

I was using his quote, slick. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

1. Things change. So maybe doug realized the pitch count was dumb cause he’s gonna get hurt on a pitch count or not. There’s chance doug and the eagles change their mind knowing that was foolish and he still get hurt so why not maximize him when you have him. 

2. Cause the offense was a guarantee to score a touchdown having to go 90 yards? I think ideally you’d want to believe in your offense could but most of the night they looked awful  so you are more willing to take chances  

3. or you maximize him when you do have him to win games cause you know he’s likely not finishing the season so use him to win the games you do have him instead of what they tried doing previously  

4. Great when he does play, there’s a long history before he came here showing he wasn’t very likely to play every game and he was getting older So likely got worse then better. Add on he was a pain in he ass everywhere he’s been. So there’s that on top of it. 

5. It was a dumb plan to rely on a player who has a history (Recent) of injuries and getting older. It wasn’t going to get better as he aged. Add on he gave him an extension when he didn’t have too. Whatever spin you want to put on it, it was a poor decision and there were clear warning signs they ignored when bringing him back.  

6. Cause doug unlike you thought desean could win him a game on a punt return whereas Greg ward had also fumbled a PR twice in that game. If desean busts that for a td you are not sitting here today saying bad move doug and fipp. You’d be praising the call to put him back there. Also I’m using all the bullets in my gun when i have them cause if i go to 1-5-1 and 0-2 in the division my season in allll likelihood is over. thats why 

7. So if he got hurt running that end around early in the game it would have been ok? That’s ridiculous. He could get hurt warming up before a game like goedert. It’s football you play to win the game and desean even at 34 has more of a chance of scoring a touchdown on a return and winning a game then Greg ward. 

So if one is going to use deseans past to predict his injury probability then why not use that same past to project the probability of desean having a long PR or td???

When was the last time desean broke one on a PR???

No pro coach goes into a game saying I'm going to run this guy into the ground and get as much out of him because he's going to get hurt anyway.

That's just horrible player/ team management.

One doesn't pay a player millions of dollars with the expectation that one is going to squeeze every dime out of him before he inevitablygets hurt.

Smart coaches protect their investments and teams by putting their players in position to succeed and stay as healthy as possible.( Except RBs they're apparently expendable 😉)

This notion that the eagles should just try to get as much out of desean before he gets hurt again is certainly one of the more odd opinions I've heard in this board today or ever.🤔

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

? Obviously it was the right call to go for 2.  I stated I misread the score.  That was an honest mistake.

Whats your excuse for insisting that starters should play on special teams?  What’s your excuse for saying that you should use one of your top players and "run him into the ground” so to speak since he’s been "injured so much” that you "might as well”? 

Smh. 

Right honest mistake.... yet seemingly someone who was paying attention and knows the nfl game at that level would’ve known the score and everything going on.. 

where did i say insist on using starters every time on special teams? moving the goal posts I see. I said andy reid uses Tyreek hill when games are on the line as a returner. The Texans with fuller have used him as a punt returner with the game on the line. Because the GAME IS ON THE LINE. 

and with desean i know he’s gonna get hurt. It’s different knowing Tyreek hill tends to stay healthy and desean is play to play so I’m using my bullets with desean cause likelihood is he’s not going to be there next week or next season . I’m using him to the max especially with the game on the line  

smdh you unfortunately make up narratives i didn’t say to boost your argument or revert to trying to insult.

Just as an FYI every player I’ve heard on podcast or interview 100 percent disagree with you. Even westbrook who returned punts and  was injury prone said Reid asked him win games on the line if he would do it. and jaws. But yet you seem to think you know more then them at a nfl level yet they played the game. 

Of course Djax should have returned that punt, anyone who knows football knows that, a key point in the game, you want your playmaker out there with an opportunity to make a play - and PR is not the most dangerous position, I'd say gunners get hurt a lot more often. Crap happens, but Djax is an inconsistent but explosive PR who's made big plays in the past.

They didn't expect Djax to play 16 games, they traded for Goodwin, and drafted Reagor, Hightower and Watkins.

At this point they wanted to get whatever they could out of Djax while the kids matured, unfortunately, it turned out to be less than we would have wanted.

You can't wrap a player in bubble wrap and keep them safe, any player can get hurt on any play. So if you have an injury prone player, you want them to play more in high impact situations - and I'd say returning a punt with the game on the line is a high impact situation.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Right honest mistake.... yet seemingly someone who was paying attention and knows the nfl game at that level would’ve known the score and everything going on.. 

where did i say insist on using starters every time on special teams? moving the goal posts I see. I said andy reid uses Tyreek hill when games are on the line as a returner. The Texans with fuller have used him as a punt returner with the game on the line. Because the GAME IS ON THE LINE. 

and with desean i know he’s gonna get hurt. It’s different knowing Tyreek hill tends to stay healthy and desean is play to play so I’m using my bullets with desean cause likelihood is he’s not going to be there next week or next season . I’m using him to the max especially with the game on the line  

smdh you unfortunately make up narratives i didn’t say to boost your argument or revert to trying to insult.

Just as an FYI every player I’ve heard on podcast or interview 100 percent disagree with you. Even westbrook who returned punts and  was injury prone said Reid asked him win games on the line if he would do it. and jaws. But yet you seem to think you know more then them at a nfl level yet they played the game. 

Of course a player would want to be in there to help his team!  DJax wanted to be in there!

That’s not the question.

The question is whether or not you put your top WR, who is 34 years-old, coming off an injury, when he’s been maligned with injuries over the past 2 years on a punt return.

I wouldn’t of put him out there.  

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Right honest mistake.... yet seemingly someone who was paying attention and knows the nfl game at that level would’ve known the score and everything going on.. 

where did i say insist on using starters every time on special teams? moving the goal posts I see. I said andy reid uses Tyreek hill when games are on the line as a returner. The Texans with fuller have used him as a punt returner with the game on the line. Because the GAME IS ON THE LINE. 

and with desean i know he’s gonna get hurt. It’s different knowing Tyreek hill tends to stay healthy and desean is play to play so I’m using my bullets with desean cause likelihood is he’s not going to be there next week or next season . I’m using him to the max especially with the game on the line  

smdh you unfortunately make up narratives i didn’t say to boost your argument or revert to trying to insult.

Just as an FYI every player I’ve heard on podcast or interview 100 percent disagree with you. Even westbrook who returned punts and  was injury prone said Reid asked him win games on the line if he would do it. and jaws. But yet you seem to think you know more then them at a nfl level yet they played the game. 

Westbrook returned his last punt for the eagles in 2007 at the age of 28. He was also an all pro that year. He had 4 punt returns in 2007. His last playoff PR was in 2006

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The question is whether or not you put your top WR,

He is not our top WR.  Reagor, Fulgham, Ward and Hightower are our top WR