19 hours ago, Utebird said:

So if one is going to use deseans past to predict his injury probability then why not use that same past to project the probability of desean having a long PR or td???

When was the last time desean broke one on a PR???

No pro coach goes into a game saying I'm going to run this guy into the ground and get as much out of him because he's going to get hurt anyway.

That's just horrible player/ team management.

One doesn't pay a player millions of dollars with the expectation that one is going to squeeze every dime out of him before he inevitablygets hurt.

Smart coaches protect their investments and teams by putting their players in position to succeed and stay as healthy as possible.

This notion that the eagles should just try to get as much out of desean before he gets hurt again is certainly one if the more odd opinions I've heard in this board today or ever.🤔

He doesn’t have to get a touchdown for it to be a success. He gets 15-25 yards it’s a success whereas Greg ward hasn’t done that all season and FUMBLED THE BALL EARLIER in the week, late in a game on a return. You assume that extra 15-25 yards wouldn’t have drastically helped the offense need less yards to score.

It wasn’t great probability he busts one. But what was the probability the eagles offense goes 90 yards for a game winning td when they were awful for 75 percent of their possessions? Yeah it wasn’t very likely either. So you are trying to hit lightning in a bottle like westbrook did years ago. 

when was the last time Greg ward did anything on a punt return? Heck the last eagles punt return for a Td was barner 4 years ago so i guess we should just give up punt returning all together

meanwhile multiple podcasts with players say you are wrong. Or the fact the Texans and chiefs with reid have proven you wrong. so i guess they don’t understand it on the nfl level either im pretty sure no coach also says well I’m going to have him on a snap count week one to preserve him for down the road when the game is in the balance and when the games later might have no significance by losing such game. But yet here we are. 

not really It’s I’m getting most out of him while i can cause it’s been proven he gets hurt and i can’t rely on him more than just this game. with desean that’s how i view it because he’s not back next year, no part of our future and i can’t trust he’s even going to be on the field the next play let alone the rest of the season. 

It’s really not that odd but using emojis makes your opinion valid or you feel validated an argument that’s odd  

 

Just now, downundermike said:

He is not our top WR.  Reagor, Fulgham, Ward and Hightower are our top WR

He was our top WR in that game.  Fulgham has the potential to become our top guy but he’s not there yet.   Reagor wasn’t even playing and Hightower isn’t even in the same stratosphere as DeSean Jackson, sorry.  (And I actually like Hightower quite a bit). 

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Westbrook returned his last punt for the eagles in 2007 at the age of 28. He was also an all pro that year. He had 4 punt returns in 2007. His last playoff PR was in 2006

Because the Eagles had just drafted this really fast WR from Cal who stepped in from day 1 as the PR in 2008.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He was our top WR in that game.  Fulgham has the potential to become our top guy but he’s not there yet.   Reagor wasn’t even playing and Hightower isn’t even in the same stratosphere as DeSean Jackson, sorry.  (And I actually like Hightower quite a bit). 

Fulgham has done more in the last 4 weeks than DeSean has done in the last two years.

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I'd really like to keep Mailata at LT but 🤷‍♂️

My issue- we should not have been in a position to count on Djax, Alshon and or JP like- at all this season. JP & Alshon should not have been here last year - neither was healthy coming into the season, nor could stay healthy.

DJAX was a walking time bomb when we signed him.  Like the year before with Wallace, never should have signed either of those guys. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Fulgham has done more in the last 4 weeks than DeSean has done in the last two years.

I don’t disagree with that.  And I don’t want to get into Wentz, etc but Jackson played well when he was in.  He’s been open more often than not..and for whatever reason; he hasn’t been targeted. (Or has been missed, etc)   The film does not lie. 

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Of course a player would want to be in there to help his team!  DJax wanted to be in there!

That’s not the question.

The question is whether or not you put your top WR, who is 34 years-old, coming off an injury, when he’s been maligned with injuries over the past 2 years on a punt return.

I wouldn’t of put him out there.  

First he’s not our top WR. Fulgham is. again let’s quit pretending he’s our best WR. He’s not anymore.  

but it’s ok to use desean on an end around on the first play of the game where he’s going to get crushed by DL behind a poor offensive line is better way of not getting him hurt? Yeah that to me is way more which risk with our oline and potentially the play going poorly with the exchange and theres a fumble pile up and he gets hurt. 

i understand why he and doug wanted him back there. It’s the same reason when we needed big returns reid even when Westbrook’s was our best weapon we used him as a returner. He had 4 punt returns in 2006 and 5 in 2007. All when he had injury concerns and yet reid still used him back there when games were in the balance. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

First he’s not our top WR. Fulgham is. again let’s quit pretending he’s our best WR. He’s not anymore.  

but it’s ok to use desean on an end around on the first play of the game where he’s going to get crushed by DL behind a poor offensive line is better way of not getting him hurt? Yeah that to me is way more which risk with our oline and potentially the play going poorly with the exchange and theres a fumble pile up and he gets hurt. 

i understand why he and doug wanted him back there. It’s the same reason when we needed big returns reid even when Westbrook’s was our best weapon we used him as a returner. He had 4 punt returns in 2006 and 5 in 2007. All when he had injury concerns and yet reid still used him back there when games were in the balance. 

Again, I wouldn’t of advised Jackson on end arounds.  Not with this team atm.  For starters, they rarely work and when they do, it’s usually because the offensive line is playing at a pro-bowl level. 

19 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Westbrook returned his last punt for the eagles in 2007 at the age of 28. He was also an all pro that year. He had 4 punt returns in 2007. His last playoff PR was in 2006

Again westbrook had injury concerns then and Reid used him as a punt returner in 2007 and 2006 when games were on the line. Which puts exactly into why doug and the eagles were thinking with desean. 28 he didn’t do punts in 2008 or 2009 cause they had desean at that point Who was a great returner. We have a great returner right now? I’m betting if desean wasn’t there in 08 and 09 reid probably does what he did in 2006 and 2007 With westbrook. If we had a better returner I’m guessing doug doesn’t take that shot with desean. But we dont have the luxury that Andy did in 08-09

so we are clear Tampa did what doug did with desean. So in 2018 he had 5 returns. All of which came when game was in the balance. 

 

17 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He is not our top WR.  Reagor, Fulgham, Ward and Hightower are our top WR

Desean is better than all those 4 WRs and even if one disagrees he is paid more than all 4 combined.

 

41 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I don't understand the Eagles insistence in being so secretive about every little thing they do.  

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again westbrook had injury concerns then and Reid used him as a punt returner in 2007 and 2006 when games were on the line. Which puts exactly into why doug and the eagles were thinking with desean. 28 he didn’t do punts in 2008 or 2009 cause they had desean at that point Who was a great returner. We have a great returner right now? I’m betting if desean wasn’t there in 08 and 09 reid probably does what he did in 2006 and 2007 With westbrook. If we had a better returner I’m guessing doug doesn’t take that shot with desean. But we dont have the luxury that Andy did in 08-09

The point is one doesn't use a 34 year old injury prone midget WR coming off an injury to return punts and then get mad when that player gets hurt. Especially when the last time that player did anything on a PR was a few years earlier.

It's not like desean has a recent history of being a break away threat as a PR. His longest return in the last 4 years is 11 yards.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I don't understand the Eagles insistence in being so secretive about every little thing they do.  

I agree with your overall quote, but in this instance I do think it's an advantage to not tell them who your starting line is. 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

The point is one doesn't use a 34 year old injury prone midget WR coming off an injury to return punts and then get mad when that player gets hurt.

Where am i mad he got hurt? I’m not. Im More irritated the eagles put themselves in any position to have him on the roster knowing he was older and injury prone. I said that when they dealt for him it was a bad decision. Gets hurt on a punt or WR. I couldn’t care less. He was getting hurt either way cause that’s been the story on him for years now. the problem is he shouldn’t have been acquired to begin with  

I thought it was the right move to do what the eagles did. So does jaw. So westbrook. So do a lot of other podcasts with players I’ve listened too.

 even Andy Reid has proven that with a midget in westbrook who had injury problems yet sent him out for 9 punt returns in 2006 and 2007 when games were in the balance cause we lacked a dynamic returner. And the only reason reid didn’t use him with games on the line in 2008 and 2009 is he got desean jackson. Otherwise he likely does It in the same type of situations. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That's it.  He shall forever be known as Roger Dorn

"What do you want me to do dive?”

😆😆

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't understand the Eagles insistence in being so secretive about every little thing they do.  

Probably because it depends on whether Lane Johnson plays. 

Ok so who's playing this week? Should start to get some bodies back... I'll googly moogly it myself.

I'm sure you've missed me .

QBs with most drops by receivers this season: Tom Brady - 21 Carson Wentz - 20 Teddy Bridgewater - 16 Ben Roethlisberger - 15 Matthew Stafford - 14 Daniel Jones - 14 Matt Ryan - 14 Josh Allen - 14 Russell Wilson - 14 Patrick Mahomes - 13 Drew Brees - 13 Kyler Murray - 12

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Seeing who is "countering" my points on the DJax punt return topic, tells me all I need to know about how right I am.  

You should go back to being banned or wherever you were the last week or so...😒

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I agree with your overall quote, but in this instance I do think it's an advantage to not tell them who your starting line is. 

I dunno, I just don't see the advantage.  We all know that the guys who start aren't going to be the ones who finish.  That's the bigger surprise, who's gonna get hurt.  If JP starts at LT, we know he has to miss plays.  If Lane starts at RT, we know he is going to miss some plays.  At some point they are going to shuffle.  

I think the best bet would be to have Mailata stay at LT.  JP at LG.  Herbig at RG.  Lane or Pryor at RT.

What's going to happen is JP is going to start at LT.  Mailata is going to start at RT.  Herbig is going to start at LG, Pryor at RG.  JP is going to get hurt.  Mailata is going to kick back to LT.  Pryor is going to move from RG to RT, Herbig will go to RG and Opeta will come in at LG.  

The JP starting at LT domino effect is huge.

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

QBs with most drops by receivers this season: Tom Brady - 21 Carson Wentz - 20 Teddy Bridgewater - 16 Ben Roethlisberger - 15 Matthew Stafford - 14 Daniel Jones - 14 Matt Ryan - 14 Josh Allen - 14 Russell Wilson - 14 Patrick Mahomes - 13 Drew Brees - 13 Kyler Murray - 12

Surprised to see brady leading the way, he's got a lot of weapons, Wentz is throwing to rookies and street FA.

So is Reagor playing? JP .... Mostly just interested in the 4 who came off IR.....

What is the freakin dealio with Alshon? That's ridonculous territory now.

Just now, Utebird said:

Surprised to see brady leading the way, he's got a lot of weapons, Wentz is throwing to rookies and street FA.

You dance with the girl who brung ya

I’m excited to see what Reagor looks like with Fulgham starting at X.   Could be the future of the team right there.