3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Surprised to see brady leading the way, he's got a lot of weapons, Wentz is throwing to rookies and street FA.

Well godwin was out for a couple of games doesn’t help. Also Ronald jones has had some drops. Supposedly Brady said he didn’t want him out there last game after jones dropped one 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You bite your tongue when you’re talking about an Eagles legend 

I shouldn’t speak ill of frank gore either. 

2010 against the Giants. DJax was not returning punts all game, then on the Giants 7th punt they put him out there and he takes it to the house for a walk off TD.

Eagles had a similar decision last week to go with Ward who would just fair catch it, or try to have DJax hit a home run. I 100% think the right decision is to take the chance and have DJax out there.

Those claiming DJax is the best receiver on the team... he is barely over 300 receiving yards since he has been coming back. Last 2 seasons he has 314 yards, 2 TD's, played in only 7 games, and only recorded stats in 6 of them. Greg Ward has 233 yards receiving and 3 TD's, Fulgham is at 357 yards and 3 TD's in his first 4 games of ever playing in the NFL.

DJax is cooked.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Surprised to see brady leading the way, he's got a lot of weapons, Wentz is throwing to rookies and street FA.

I was surprised too...most came earlier I would guess ,qb getting to know receivers...one game early on i counted 5 drops.

Names of Eagles and Vikings players have continued to pop up, as two teams that expected to contend and have had rough starts consider their options. Eagles S Will Parks and Vikings franchise-tagged S Anthony Harris are new available names that I’ve heard over the last few days.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Where am i mad he got hurt? I’m not. Im More irritated the eagles put themselves in any position to have him on the roster knowing he was older and injury prone. I said that when they dealt for him it was a bad decision. Gets hurt on a punt or WR. I couldn’t care less. He was getting hurt either way cause that’s been the story on him for years now. the problem is he shouldn’t have been acquired to begin with  

I thought it was the right move to do what the eagles did. So does jaw. So westbrook. So do a lot of other podcasts with players I’ve listened too.

 even Andy Reid has proven that with a midget in westbrook who had injury problems yet sent him out for 9 punt returns in 2006 and 2007 when games were in the balance cause we lacked a dynamic returner. And the only reason reid didn’t use him with games on the line in 2008 and 2009 is he got desean jackson. Otherwise he likely does It in the same type of situations. 

Did you just copy and paste the exact same response???

Like I said westbrooks last PR for eagles was 2007 at age 27 his last playoff PR 2006.

Desean is 34 that's 6 years older than how old westbrook was when he stopped returning punts.

One can say well that's because Reid had desean why waste westbrook on PR.

I'd ask the same question to doug, why waste desean on PR when doug had ward to return punts?

The longest punt return desean had was 11 yards 4 years ago. Ward has a long if 11 yards this year. So the probability of desean getting more than 11 yards is pretty low, so why risk a starting receiver who just came off Injury to maybe get 11 yards when another receiver who isn't injury prone has a higher probability of getting those same 11 yards???

For a team that claims to be so into analytics they sure sucked at probabilities on that one.

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

I was surprised too...most came earlier I would guess ,qb getting to know receivers...one game early on i counted 5 drops.

Makes sense, seems it took gronk a few weeks to round Into form and evans had been hurt.

 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Did you just copy and paste the exact same response???

Like I said westbrooks last PR for eagles was 2007 at age 27 his last playoff PR 2006.

Desean is 34 that's 6 years older than how old westbrook was when he stopped returning punts.

One can say well that's because Reid had desean why waste westbrook on PR.

I'd ask the same question to doug, why waste desean on PR when doug had ward to return punts?

The longest punt return desean had was 11 yards 4 years ago. Ward has a long if 11 yards this year. So the probability of desean getting more than 11 yards is pretty low, so why risk a starting receiver who just came off Injury to maybe get 11 yards when another receiver who isn't injury prone has a higher probability of getting those same 11 yards???

For a team that claims to be so into analytics they sure sucked at probabilities on that one.

Makes sense, seems it took gronk a few weeks to round Into form and evans had been hurt.

Godwin has missed a few games,will be missing more with broken finger..Miller has been banged up too, only reason Antonio brown was brought in

18 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

2010 against the Giants. DJax was not returning punts all game, then on the Giants 7th punt they put him out there and he takes it to the house for a walk off TD.

Eagles had a similar decision last week to go with Ward who would just fair catch it, or try to have DJax hit a home run. I 100% think the right decision is to take the chance and have DJax out there.

Those claiming DJax is the best receiver on the team... he is barely over 300 receiving yards since he has been coming back. Last 2 seasons he has 314 yards, 2 TD's, played in only 7 games, and only recorded stats in 6 of them.

I'll say this again, the longest PR desean has had was in last 4 years was 4 years ago for 11 yards.

Wards longest return this year is 11 yards. If I remember it was actually in this game.

Ward had a higher probability of getting at least 11 yards than did desean who hadn't done it in 4 years, not to mention ward had a much lower probability of getting hurt on that PR.

Poor decisions by coaches who claim to be analytically on top of things☹️

18 hours ago, Utebird said:

Did you just copy and paste the exact same response???

Like I said westbrooks last PR for eagles was 2007 at age 27 his last playoff PR 2006.

Desean is 34 that's 6 years older than how old westbrook was when he stopped returning punts.

One can say well that's because Reid had desean why waste westbrook on PR.

I'd ask the same question to doug, why waste desean on PR when doug had ward to return punts?

The longest punt return desean had was 11 yards 4 years ago. Ward has a long if 11 yards this year. So the probability of desean getting more than 11 yards is pretty low, so why risk a starting receiver who just came off Injury to maybe get 11 yards when another receiver who isn't injury prone has a higher probability of getting those same 11 yards???

For a team that claims to be so into analytics they sure sucked at probabilities on that one.

Makes sense, seems it took gronk a few weeks to round Into form and evans had been hurt.

And the only reason reid didn’t use him in 08 and 09 on punts is cause the eagles had one of the best punt returners in the league in desean. Otherwise if it were Greg ward back there those seasons andy likely still uses westbrook for likely 9 punts he did during the 07 and 08 years even with westbrook getting older. That’s the point you miss. Reid didn’t just stop using him in critical times cause he didn’t want to use westbrook. He had no need too having one of the best returners in the league at his disposal. So no need too. That’s completely different circumstance.

you keep using that argument it’s a completely different situation when you have the best returner in the league and have no need to use an older westbrook as a returner. The eagles don’t have that this year! Greg ward is in the bottom half of the league in returns. I provided the stats the other day. He’s averaging 5.5 yards per return   

again you continue to miss the point. Reid didn’t stop using westbrook cause he got old. He stopped using him in 08 and 09 cause he had desean as their return who was arguably the best in the league. So why would he? It’s different if reid had Greg ward back there. I’m guessing he still uses westbrook then in critical moments. those Eagles teams did a better job at addressing PR in 08 and 09 to prevent having to use westbrook meanwhile the eagles now haven’t  

FYI Greg ward fumbled the ball vs the ravens late in the game (4days earlier) on a punt. You don’t think that might have also played into it? I’m guessing that did as well. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'll say this again, the longest PR desean has had was 4 years ago for 11 yards.

Wards longest return this year is 11 yards. If I remember it was actually in this game.

Ward had a higher probability of getting at least 11 yards than did desean who hadn't done it in 4 years, not to mention ward had a much less probability of getting hurt on that PR.

Poor decisions by coaches who claim to be analytically on top of things☹️

What? Desean has had much longer punt returns than 11 yards. The Giants game I referenced he had a 65 yard return for a TD

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I dunno, I just don't see the advantage.  We all know that the guys who start aren't going to be the ones who finish.  That's the bigger surprise, who's gonna get hurt.  If JP starts at LT, we know he has to miss plays.  If Lane starts at RT, we know he is going to miss some plays.  At some point they are going to shuffle.  

I think the best bet would be to have Mailata stay at LT.  JP at LG.  Herbig at RG.  Lane or Pryor at RT.

What's going to happen is JP is going to start at LT.  Mailata is going to start at RT.  Herbig is going to start at LG, Pryor at RG.  JP is going to get hurt.  Mailata is going to kick back to LT.  Pryor is going to move from RG to RT, Herbig will go to RG and Opeta will come in at LG.  

The JP starting at LT domino effect is huge.

The advantage is Dallas has no idea right now whose playing at any position other than C. If you just tell them they can study film and prepare better. If they don't know they can't. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And the only reason reid didn’t use him in 08 and 09 on punts is cause the eagles had one of the best punt returners in the league in desean. Otherwise if it were Greg ward back there those seasons andy likely still uses westbrook for likely 9 punts he did during the 07 and 08 years even with westbrook getting older. That’s the point you miss. Reid didn’t just stop using him in critical times cause he didn’t want to use westbrook. He had no need too having one of the best returners in the league at his disposal. So no need too. That’s completely different circumstance. Lol you keep using that argument it’s a completely different circumspect when you have the best returning in the league and have no need to use an older westbrook as a returner. The eagles don’t have that this year!   

again you continue to miss the point. Reid didn’t stop using westbrook cause he got old. He stopped using him in 08 and 09 cause he had desean as their return who was arguably the best in the league. So why would he? It’s different if reid had Greg ward back there

FYI Greg ward fumbled the ball earlier on a punt. You don’t think that might have also played into it? I’m guessing that did as wel. 

Desean isn't an elite PR anymore is the point you are missing. The risks of putting desean out in OR outweigh the rewards 

Which is the same with westbrook, why risk your all pro oft hurt RB on PR when one can give it too a young better PR in desean.

Same question why risk your 34 oft injured midget highly paid WR on a PR he's most likely going to get a small return or get hurt or both when I e can risk a younger less ift injured less expensive player who will most likely get the same amount of probable yards?

It's a dumb misinformed coaching decision from a staff that claims to be analytically informed.

The analytics don't support using a 34 year old oft injured WR who hasn't had more than 11 yards on a PR in 4 years.

 

 

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Names of Eagles and Vikings players have continued to pop up, as two teams that expected to contend and have had rough starts consider their options. Eagles S Will Parks and Vikings franchise-tagged S Anthony Harris are new available names that I’ve heard over the last few days.

That’s strange. Parks has played what 2 games?

Why the freak is JP back at LT ? Come ahn Doug have some nads and ask him to play where you need him.

SERIOUSLY, in 2020 putting JP back at Left Tackle is a downgrade.

And if you disagree, hate to break this to you, you don't know SQUATOLA about playing the ACTUAL GAME of Football.

8 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

What? Desean has had much longer punt returns than 11 yards. The Giants game I referenced he had a 65 yard return for a TD

His longest punt return in the last 4 years was 4 years ago for 11 yards

Sorry missed a few words edited it!

18 hours ago, wussbasket said:

What? Desean has had much longer punt returns than 11 yards. The Giants game I referenced he had a 65 yard return for a TD

I think he meant the last four years of returns. 

Meanwhile Greg ward is averaging 5.4 yards when he does return it and leads the league in fair catches and fumbled a return 4 days earlier against the ravens. The probability says Greg ward likely fair catch it as he’s had 20 chances and fair caught 11 of them (so 55 percent chance he doesn’t even return it) and we have to go 90 yards. 

1 minute ago, uncphillyfan said:

That’s strange. Parks has played what 2 games?

Eh. 1 year deal, we have lots of depth. He hasn't been overly great. It makes sense to me, kinda. I don't think you are getting much for him though.

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'll say this again, the longest PR desean has had was 4 years ago for 11 yards.

Wards longest return this year is 11 yards. If I remember it was actually in this game.

Ward had a higher probability of getting at least 11 yards than did desean who hadn't done it in 4 years, not to mention ward had a much lower probability of getting hurt on that PR.

Poor decisions by coaches who claim to be analytically on top of things☹️

I didn’t even bother to look at the analytics.  Now that you brought them up, it makes it even that much worse.  Ugh.  
 

I’m wondering if it was a pure Flip decision at this point.  I wonder if Pederson even knew about it until after Jackson was already out there. 

If JP comes back and plays LEFT Tackle for this team, that's EXACTLY what's ruining the NFL.

CONTRACTS are taking precedent over performance.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eh. 1 year deal, we have lots of depth. He hasn't been overly great. It makes sense to me, kinda. I don't think you are getting much for him though.

Probably just a swap for another team’s disappointing player. Or maybe this is to clear a spot to play Wallace more?

18 hours ago, Utebird said:

Desean isn't an elite PR anymore is the point you are missing. The risks of putting desean out in OR outweigh the rewards 

Which is the same with westbrook, why risk your all pro oft hurt RB on PR when one can give it too a young better PR in desean.

Same question why risk your 34 oft injured midget highly paid WR on a PR he's most likely going to get a small return or get hurt or both when I e can risk a younger less ift injured less expensive player who will most likely get the same amount of probable yards?

It's a dumb misinformed coaching decision from a staff that claims to be analytically informed.

The analytics don't support using a 34 year old oft injured WR who hasn't had more than 11 yards on a PR in 4 years.

 

 

No crap. I never said he was. You keep saying i did. NOWHERE DID I SAY HE WAS. Read what i wrote.

I said Doug was trying to catch lightning in a bottle on that play like reid has done with westbrook when he wasn’t he main returner anymore. You continue to say i said he was an elite punt returner. Nowhere did i say that. I said i understood why doug took that chance compared to ward who’s been bottom half of the league add on ward had previously fumbled late in the ravens game

add on Greg ward isn’t desean as a punt returner. He’s bottom half of the league and probability says he fair catches it 55 percent of the time. Your argument is bad cause Greg ward sucks as a returner. It’s completely different if they had an elite PR then desean isn’t out there. 

The analytics say Greg ward sucks as a returner yet you are trying to justify him being a decent returner. His yards per returner on his 9 returns is 5.5. So yes i would say he’s more likely to either FC it or just get 5.5 yards. Analytically it’s of the belief Greg ward would get less than 11 yards. Cause his average this year is 5.5. And over his two year career 4.6 yards per return. Yup analytically it says ward is most likely FC the ball. The  second get 4.6 yards. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No crap. I never said he was. You keep saying i did. NOWHERE DID I SAY HE WAS. Read what i wrote.

I said Doug was trying to catch lightning in a bottle on that play like reid has done with westbrook when he wasn’t he main returner anymore. You continue to say i said he was an elite punt returner. Nowhere did i say that. I said i understood why doug took that chance compared to ward who’s been bottom half of the league add on ward had previously fumbled. 

add on Greg ward isn’t desean as a punt returner. He’s bottom half of the league and probability says he fair catches it 55 percent of the time. Your argument is pathetic cause Greg ward sucks as a returner. It’s completely different if they had an elite PR then desean isn’t out there. 

The analytics say Greg ward sucks as a returner yet you are trying to justify him being a decent returner. His yards per returner on his 9 returns is 5.5. So yes i would say he’s more likely to either FC it or just get 5.5 yards. Analytically it’s of the belief Greg ward would get less than 11 yards. 

Do we even know who made the call to put Jackson out there?  

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I didn’t even bother to look at the analytics.  Now that you brought them up, it makes it even that much worse.  Ugh.  
 

I’m wondering if it was a pure Flip decision at this point.  I wonder if Pederson even knew about it until after Jackson was already out there. 

Who ever made the decision should have made a different one.

There's this idea that desean is an elite PR, I think sometimes coaches get caught up in nostalgia as well and say hey remember that one time desean returned a punt for a td against the giants and we won let's do that again.

Failing to realize that was 10 years??? Earlier.

Desean isn't that guy anymore, hasn't been for a while and coaches should have known that.

11 yards as a long 4 years ago doesn't scream to me I gotta get desean out there on PR so he can make a play, Fipp should have said sit your busted broken ass down and let ward have a go.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Do we even know who made the call to put Jackson out there?  

Jackson

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think he meant the last four years of returns. 

Meanwhile Greg ward is averaging 5.4 yards when he does return it and leads the league in fair catches and fumbled a return earlier against the giants. The probability says Greg ward likely fair catch it as he’s had 20 chances and fair caught 11 of them (so 55 percent chance he doesn’t even return it) and we have to go 90 yards. 

People are really falling over themselves over an easily defensible move. Ward is a pretty bad punt returner. DJax has a shot at a big return with some blocking. Ward just isn’t fast enough or quick enough or physical enough to break long ones without perfect blocking.