1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Do we even know who made the call to put Jackson out there?  

Idk. I’m assuming desean as mike said it was. 

i know analytically Greg ward has a 4.6 yards per return over two years. One of the worst returners over that period of time. This year 5.5 yards per returner and in the bottom half of punt returners. Analytics would tell you the odds Greg ward fair catches it is the highest as he has done so 55 percent of chances this year. 

34 minutes ago, Utebird said:

You should go back to being banned or wherever you were the last week or so...😒

Why.  He brings something to the table, you do not.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Do we even know who made the call to put Jackson out there?  

Why does it matter?

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Desean isn't an elite PR anymore is the point you are missing. The risks of putting desean out in OR outweigh the rewards 

Which is the same with westbrook, why risk your all pro oft hurt RB on PR when one can give it too a young better PR in desean.

Same question why risk your 34 oft injured midget highly paid WR on a PR he's most likely going to get a small return or get hurt or both when I e can risk a younger less ift injured less expensive player who will most likely get the same amount of probable yards?

It's a dumb misinformed coaching decision from a staff that claims to be analytically informed.

The analytics don't support using a 34 year old oft injured WR who hasn't had more than 11 yards on a PR in 4 years.

Let's rewind this and consider... with the GAME ON THE LINE, who is a better option for that ONE punt return - Ward or Desean?  

It's really as simple as that.  It wasn't about all the punts or all the opportunities... it was just about the ONE time.  Let's keep it in the proper perspective.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk. I’m assuming desean as mike said it was. 

 

Yes, DeSean asked to go return that punt.

 

Lets just put this entire topic to bed.  DeSean can not stay healthy and will not have any meaningful impact for the Eagles again.

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

His longest punt return in the last 4 years was 4 years ago for 11 yards

Sorry missed a few words edited it!

Greg Ward's career long: 16 yards.

 

18 hours ago, ManuManu said:

People are really falling over themselves over an easily defensible move. Ward is a pretty bad punt returner. DJax has a shot at a big return with some blocking. Ward just isn’t fast enough or quick enough or physical enough to break long ones without perfect blocking. 

The analytics say ward sucks as a returner. 

over two years he’s averaging 4.6 yards per return Bottom 1/3 of the league  

this year He’s averaging 5.5 yards per return. Bottom half of the league. 

he’s had 20 chances and fair caught 11. So 55 percent of the time he’s fair catching it. 

Furthermore on the season he’s fumbled 3 times This year in general. Luckily we’ve recovered all of them.   

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jackson

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk. I’m assuming desean as mike said it was. 

i know analytically Greg ward has a 4.6 yards per return over two years. One of the worst returners over that period of time. This year 5.5 yards per returner and in the bottom half of punt returners. Analytics would tell you the odds Greg ward fair catches it is the highest as he has done so 55 percent of chances this year. 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Why does it matter?

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Yes, DeSean asked to go return that punt.

It’s a tough call then.  As much as I’m a DJax guy I likely would have told him to please sit down because we need him fresh on offense.

But I understand that’s not how things always go, especially in the heat of the moment, when you want your team to win.  Unfortunate circumstances, all around, imo.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No crap. I never said he was. You keep saying i did. NOWHERE DID I SAY HE WAS. Read what i wrote.

I said Doug was trying to catch lightning in a bottle on that play like reid has done with westbrook when he wasn’t he main returner anymore. You continue to say i said he was an elite punt returner. Nowhere did i say that. I said i understood why doug took that chance compared to ward who’s been bottom half of the league add on ward had previously fumbled. 

add on Greg ward isn’t desean as a punt returner. He’s bottom half of the league and probability says he fair catches it 55 percent of the time. Your argument is bad cause Greg ward sucks as a returner. It’s completely different if they had an elite PR then desean isn’t out there. 

The analytics say Greg ward sucks as a returner yet you are trying to justify him being a decent returner. His yards per returner on his 9 returns is 5.5. So yes i would say he’s more likely to either FC it or just get 5.5 yards. Analytically it’s of the belief Greg ward would get less than 11 yards. 

Then you don't understand that pederson made a poor decision. The probability of pederson catching lighting in a bottle wasnt based off recentcy. It's a microcosm of the whole organization holding on to old vets out of sentimentality and expecting them to do the things that produced that sentimentality years earlier.

There was zero recent evidence to suggest desean would do any better on that PR than ward would and to suggest so is  simply holding onto the past, which is odd seeing as on one hand you say it's obvious desean is going to get hurt his past suggest so and in the same breath say yeah put him out on PR he could break one even though recent past shows it's unlikely and more likely he'll get hurt, which you say is ok cuz he's going to get hurt anyway? 😵

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Don’t like being wrong?   Sorry.  I’ll shut up.  

I'm wrong all the time as my wife(s)😉

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

As much as I’m a DJax guy I likely would have told him to please sit down because we need him fresh on offense.

Need him fresh for what ??  He has made no meaningful offensive impact since Week 1 of the 2019 season.

Just now, downundermike said:

Need him fresh for what ??  He has made no meaningful offensive impact since Week 1 of the 2019 season.

Besides, barring an injury at most he would have missed was one play. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Greg Ward's career long: 16 yards.

And it was last year. Over his career he’s averaging 4.6 yards per return (16 punts). So 16 punt returns he’s had 3 punts returned over 10 yards. So there’s a 18% chance he has a return over 10 yards. Analytics tell you he’s 82 percent chance he doesn’t get 11 yards. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Let's rewind this and consider... with the GAME ON THE LINE, who is a better option for that ONE punt return - Ward or Desean?  

It's really as simple as that.  It wasn't about all the punts or all the opportunities... it was just about the ONE time.  Let's keep it in the proper perspective.

Seeing as in the last 4 years deseans longest PR was 11 yards 4 years ago and wards longest PR 11 yards this year I'm gonna say ward had a higher probability of getting at least 11 yards and a higher probability of not getting hurt as well.

 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Need him fresh for what ??  He has made no meaningful offensive impact since Week 1 of the 2019 season.

I’m not going there because I don’t want to start things up....but had he been targeted by Wentz when he should have been, this team could likely have another win or two. And that’s that. 

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Then you don't understand that pederson made a poor decision. The probability of pederson catching lighting in a bottle wasnt based off recentcy. It's a microcosm of the whole organization holding on to old vets out of sentimentality and expecting them to do the things that produced that sentimentality years earlier.

There was zero recent evidence to suggest desean would do any better on that PR than ward would and to suggest so is  simply holding onto the past, which is odd seeing as on one hand you say it's obvious desean is going to get hurt his past suggest so and in the same breath say yeah put him out on PR he could break one even though recent past shows it's unlikely and more likely he'll get hurt, which you say is ok cuz he's going to get hurt anyway? 😵

I'm wrong all the time as my wife(s)😉

He ain't as good as he once was, but he’s as good once as he ever was. 

The point being DJax has shown the ability to make explosive plays. Ward never has.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And it was last year. Over his career he’s averaging 4.6 yards per return (16 punts). So 16 punt returns he’s had 3 punts returned over 10 yards. So there’s a 18% chance he has a return over 10 yards. Analytics tell you he’s 82 percent chance he doesn’t get 11 yards. 

Now apply those same analytics to deseans last 4 years keeping in mind that players stats tend to decrease as they get older not increase.

18 hours ago, Utebird said:

Then you don't understand that pederson made a poor decision. The probability of pederson catching lighting in a bottle wasnt based off recentcy. It's a microcosm of the whole organization holding on to old vets out of sentimentality and expecting them to do the things that produced that sentimentality years earlier.

There was zero recent evidence to suggest desean would do any better on that PR than ward would and to suggest so is  simply holding onto the past, which is odd seeing as on one hand you say it's obvious desean is going to get hurt his past suggest so and in the same breath say yeah put him out on PR he could break one even though recent past shows it's unlikely and more likely he'll get hurt, which you say is ok cuz he's going to get hurt anyway? 😵

I'm wrong all the time as my wife(s)😉

Lol right the 18 percent chance Greg ward has at returning it over 10 yards. Cause that’s what the analytics have shown. 16 returns and only 3 over 11. Ward for his career average is 4.6 yards (bottom 1/3 of the league over that time). Ward this year 5.5 yards also bottom half of the league. So allllll those analytics you keep saying show ward sucks so maybe catching lightning in a bottle with desean was a smart move   

again your emojis don’t make your point any more valid. Just makes you look like a tool.  And yes I’m putting him back there. He fumbled twice vs. the ravens ans has had multiple fumbles in his career as a returner on 16 returns #analytics 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

He ain't as good as he once was, but he’s as good once as he ever was. 

The point being DJax has shown the ability to make explosive plays. Ward never has.

Jerry rice has shown the ability to make explosive plays maybe fipp should give him a call😉

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol right the 18 percent chance Greg ward has at returning it over 10 yards. Cause that’s what the analytics have shown. 16 returns and only 3 over 11. Also he’s had 4 fumbles (luckily all recovered) on 16 punt returns. So that’s a 25 percent Chance he could fumble it away. Ward for his career average is 4.6 yards (bottom 1/3 of the league over that time). Ward this year 5.5 yards also bottom half of the league. So allllll those analytics you keep saying show ward sucks so maybe catching lightning in a bottle with desean was a smart move   

again your emojis don’t make your point any more valid. Just makes you look like a tool.  And yes I’m putting him back there. Recent past shows ward is more likely to fumble a ball then get 11 yards. #analytics 

A tool for what purpose?

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Seeing as in the last 4 years deseans longest PR was 11 yards 4 years ago and wards longest PR 11 yards this year I'm gonna say ward had a higher probability of getting at least 11 yards and a higher probability of not getting hurt as well.

 

I seriously doubt the thought process was who can get us 11 yards on this return... 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Jerry rice has shown the ability to make explosive plays maybe fipp should give him a call😉

A tool for what purpose?

Idk you can decide for yourself. 

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Now apply those same analytics to deseans last 4 years keeping in mind that players stats tend to decrease as they get older not increase.

You’re talking about a sample size of six punt returns...

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m not going there because I don’t want to start things up....but had he been targeted by Wentz when he should have been, this team could likely have another win or two. And that’s that. 

Our worst loss this season is the game DeSean got the most targets.

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

It would have been much easier to swallow had he been hurt on offense, that's all. 

WTActualFlyingF?

🤦🏻‍♂️🤣😂

Are you just permanently wasted now?

 

Rush!