1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Irrelevant.

Thinking Ward would ever make a play is more a pipe dream, and Desean did get them 15 yards... which is better than letting that ball bounce, as hes apt to do and let the Eagles' O get buried at inside the 10.   

 

Sorry, you have no leg to stand on in this discussion... and I would take Peters at LT over Jamon Brown, and that's the level of competence being compared here.  Ward has no business back there under normal conditions.  With the game on the line... that issue is exacerbated.

Brown isn't a tackle???

Now you are using hypotheticals like saying ward would have let it bounce???

Come on man😒

At least have the decency to argue the points instead of deeming them irrelevant because you don't like that they don't support your argument.

 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I get it.  He wanted to be out there to help the team.  It does not take away from the fact that the coaches should have told him "Thanks but sit down”.

simple

 

Anyway, it’s over and done with.  I’m excited to see what Reagor looks like with Fulgham at X this week. 

So you're saying coaches typically don't put their best players back when they need a big kick return?

 

You do know how absolutely untrue and absurd that notion is right?

 

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 that would’ve been a solution for this year.    however they basically made reagor the starter I’m not sure you want him back there if we’re making the same argument for desean where injury risk increased and we rather not get him hurt on punt returns. Especially now when he’s had a shoulder and thumb injuries already.

also don’t think it’s a long-term solution to that problem.

How many teams have long term punt returners? Honest question. I have no idea. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup Texans did it with injury prone fuller. And reid does it when he has too with Tyreek hills. There’s countless other teams that do it as well when the game is on the line late. 

Just stop comparing a 25 year old Tyreek Hill to a 34 year old DeSean Jackson.  Stop.  Reid also did it with a 25 year old DJax.  

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s not really ridiculous. It could be as simple as Lane plays, Mailata is the LT. If Lane is out, Mailata plays RT. 

Peters-Opeta-Kelce-Herbig-Mailata is better than Mailata-Herbig-Kelce-Peters-Pryor. 

But neither is as good as Mailata-Herbig-Kelce-Peters-Johnson. 

If Mailata can play as well as he has at RT as LT...we may have our bookends of the future if Dillard pans out.

Mailata can play swing T for a few years before taking over for Lane.

That would be huge.

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Brown isn't a tackle???

Now you are using hypotheticals like saying ward would have let it bounce???

Come on man😒

At least have the decency to argue the points instead of deeming them irrelevant because you don't like that they don't support your argument.

 

And Ward isn't a punt returner.   You aren't paying attention.  Ward lets shorter punts bounce frequently and has NEVER come up aggressively to catch one... ever.  

 

 

The irrelevant portion I referred to was regarding Ward's IR history, which as I said was "Irrelevant".   Frankly, not just the game, but the season was on the line.  This is an isolated situation, and you are arguing as if it were a generic 4th down punt in the middle of the 2nd quarter.   You 'come on man'.  

 

1 minute ago, PrinceKelby said:

So you're saying coaches typically don't put their best players back when they need a big kick return?

 

You do know how absolutely untrue and absurd that notion is right?

 

 

Never said that.  I said the opposite.  Coaches put their young "playmakers” in a position to succeed when the game is on the line.  
 

What good coaches don’t do is put their 34 year-old guys that were brought in to be vertical threats on special teams.

Found this mostly uninteresting blurb about Smith...

FAU senior LB Rashad Smith has accepted an invitation to play in the East-West Shrine Bowl.

Smith (6'1/220) is one of Conference USA's best defenders, as he's accounted for 76 total tackles (38 solo, 7.5 for loss), 2.5 sacks, one forced fumble, three fumble recoveries, two interceptions and three quarterback hurries. An honorable mention all-conference selection in 2018, as a junior Smith tallied 86 total tackles (36 solo, 5.5 for loss), one sack, four interceptions and a forced fumble. A productive linebacker at the college level, Smith will look to use the Shrine Bowl (and the practices that precede it) to work his way into the Day 3 conversation.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How many teams have long term punt returners? Honest question. I have no idea. 

Unless you have one of those generational ST return guys like Devin Hester, not many.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How many teams have long term punt returners? Honest question. I have no idea. 

I’d have to look. I’m guessing not overwhelming amount. i feel like the eagles have no one besides ward to do it if reagor is out. And ward by default for basically two years and 2018 it wasn’t much better either. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This isn't about 'playing ST', this is about game on the line desperation, and coaches HAVE and DO that frequently.

Desperation is still a cost benefit analysis. 

In this case do I risk injuring my starting receiver who makes more money than my current 4 WRs combined to win this game and not have him for the rest???

If desean is such a vital part of the decision making process in desperate times than why risk him getting hurt thus potentially removing him from those future desperate times.

If one puts that much on one player wouldn't one make decisions that ensure that player is around longer?

The chance that desean would make a big play on that PR doesn't outweighs the risk that he'll get hurt.

It was a poor choice and the results of zero yards and an Injury on the PR support that opinion 

Call it 20/20 I call it forsight which is what analytics try to accomplish no?

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Never said that.  I said the opposite.  Coaches put their young "playmakers” in a position to succeed when the game is on the line.  
 

What good coaches don’t do is put their 34 year-old guys that were brought in to be vertical threats on special teams.

Fipp: "Hey Doug, on of the most prolific big return guys in NFL history wants to try to take the punt."

Doug: "Are you crazy? He's had 3 catches for 34 yards tonight. We'll get him the ball no problem."

DJax was on borrowed time anyway. He's been toast since TB.

Too oft injured. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Just now, PrinceKelby said:

Fipp: "Hey Doug, on of the most prolific big return guys in NFL history wants to try to take the punt."

Doug: "Are you crazy? He's had 3 catches for 34 yards tonight. We'll get him the ball no problem."

DJax was on borrowed time anyway. He's been toast since TB.

Too oft injured. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

I guess we’ll find out who’s call it was soon enough. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Holy Cow. The last five pages have been ridiculous. Can we agree to stop arguing about whether or not DeSean Jackson should have been put back to field a punt in the final two minutes of a pivotal game when the Eagles were looking for a big play to jump start their final drive?

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I guess we’ll find out who’s call it was soon enough. 🤷🏻‍♂️

What does it matter who's call it was?

It's done all the damn time.

You should name this hill Delusion.

1 minute ago, PrinceKelby said:

What does it matter who's call it was?

It's done all the damn time.

You should name this hill Delusion.

I guess we’ll see. 🤷🏻‍♂️

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Desperation is still a cost benefit analysis. 

In this case do I risk injuring my starting receiver who makes more money than my current 4 WRs combined to win this game and not have him for the rest???

If desean is such a vital part of the decision making process in desperate times than why risk him getting hurt thus potentially removing him from those future desperate times.

If one puts that much on one player wouldn't one make decisions that ensure that player is around longer?

The chance that desean would make a big play on that PR doesn't outweighs the risk that he'll get hurt.

It was a poor choice and the results of zero yards and an Injury on the PR support that opinion 

Call it 20/20 I call it forsight which is what analytics try to accomplish no?

Well, if he's so fragile to use on one play... then just put him in bubble wrap and put him into long storage.   Sheesh.. its football, injuries are part of the game.   

 

Game on the line... Season on the line... you use all the tools at your disposal.  Your argumentation is saying that we need to save him... but save him for what?  For a season changing play?   That was the play he was used on.  And got hurt on a cheap shot.   Argue with yourself, I'm done.

1 minute ago, PrinceKelby said:

What does it matter who's call it was?

It's done all the damn time.

You should name this hill Delusion.

You are so right.

Jackson asked to return the punt

He got injured

It happens.

Get over it

If he had ran for a TD people would be saying what a brilliant move.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Surprised to see brady leading the way, he's got a lot of weapons, Wentz is throwing to rookies and street FA.

Wentz is not throwing to street free agents.   

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

.  And got hurt on a cheap shot.  

And that, my friend, is the point.

What if they decided to put Carson Wentz on special teams. (For whatever insane reason).

And he had a career ending injury.  How would you feel? 

Just now, Asg 15 said:

You are so right.

Jackson asked to return the punt

He got injured

It happens.

Get over it

If he had ran for a TD people would be saying what a brilliant move.

He caught the punt and got the team 15 yards.... which opened the playbook immediately and they used that to get a deep ball to Fulgham and drew a DPI.   It was a brilliant move.  Losing Desean along the way was collateral damage.  He was just as likely to get hurt on the next offensive play he was used on.   Or maybe they shouldn't have used him on that drive either, because he might have gotten hurt then too... 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

And that, my friend, is the point.

What if they decided to put Carson Wentz on special teams. (For whatever insane reason).

And he had a career ending injury.  How would you feel? 

This is absurd. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

And that, my friend, is the point.

What if they decided to put Carson Wentz on special teams. (For whatever insane reason).

And he had a career ending injury.  How would you feel? 

That's the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while.   Cheap shots can happen on any play... or did you forget the playoff game?   You don't coach with the game on the line in fear of a cheap shot.  That cheap shot hurt the Giants.  

7 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Holy Cow. The last five pages have been ridiculous. Can we agree to stop arguing about whether or not DeSean Jackson should have been put back to field a punt in the final two minutes of a pivotal game when the Eagles were looking for a big play to jump start their final drive?

yeah i was surprised he lasted aslong as he did in the game.

14 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

If Mailata can play as well as he has at RT as LT...we may have our bookends of the future if Dillard pans out.

Mailata can play swing T for a few years before taking over for Lane.

That would be huge.

Lane has plenty left in the tank. Gonna have to make a decision on LT for next year.