51 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Not impressed by Reagor. He was the reason for that pick last night. He had a step on both dbs and gave up and slowed down thinking Wentz was throwing it out of bounds and instead the DB runs by him and picks it off. He had a lazy route against the Skins that lead to a pick week 1. This kid has a ton to learn. he gives up and gets lazy. Not very impressed at this point. Need to hope he just gets better with time and more coaching. 

Most rookies do.  And as we look at Travis Fulgham, he's not a rookie.  He's in his second year.  WRs make a huge jump from year one to year two.   Reagor has a steeper learning curve than a guy like Justin Jefferson as well, because he played in a milk-toast defensive conference.   He needs to get with Moorehead and learn to be a fighter and not give up on any play.

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I dont go by a Joe no one knows who he is youtube videos. For everyone of those you can find one contradicting it.  I go by the NFL analysts and past players who do it for a living every day on NFL network, ESPN, pro football weekly etc. Everyone can have a view based off a game or two but they usually have more time and resources to break down more. There knocks going in the draft on him were his hands and route running by them and by the looks of it they were right.  BUT he has limited time so far and can learn. Key is do we have the right coaches to help him? A question we cant answer for a few years. Just like the it was said Jefferson was one of the best route runners coming out of the draft in years which again seams they were right. The kid looks nice. A shame we took the wrong one. But I was on the Lamb or Jefferson bus so I have a bias, esp since they are having success right now. 

We will revisit this conversation.  And I think we finally have a good wr coach for once.  Let's see what he looks like by the mid point of next year before we can evaluate him properly.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I still don't want Hurts to start

I’m not there yet, but I feel like I’m not far off either. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

*IF* they made the pot sweet enough, I'd take him on the Eagles. 

Heck no.  That dude is shot.  The point is to get out from underneath stupid contracts, not add them

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

*IF* they made the pot sweet enough, I'd take him on the Eagles. 

This has potential to be the worst post of the year.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Most rookies do.  And as we look at Travis Fulgham, he's not a rookie.  He's in his second year.  WRs make a huge jump from year one to year two.   Reagor has a steeper learning curve than a guy like Justin Jefferson as well, because he played in a milk-toast defensive conference.   He needs to get with Moorehead and learn to be a fighter and not give up on any play.

Playing with Carson takes some used to. "I can't believe threw that" has to be in your head at all times.

4 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

What don't you get?  Jerry Jones is the worst owner in all of sports.  He makes the wrong decision every time.

Daniel Snyder says Hello. Jerry is up there but I think Dan might have just a hair lead lol

51 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Well teh football player in me sees the real life situations and play of this kid and disagrees. He runs lazy routes. This is not college.

Yup.   And he has to learn the NFL.  It was his 3rd game, with no preseason.   A little patience might be in order here.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

So let me get this straight. Jerruh calls and says he listen. You take Zeke, our 2nd, our 4th and our 7th but we want your 5th  you say no? lol 

How about Jerry calls me and I offer him a 2 1sts and a 2nd to get him to take you off this board and join the Cowboys.  I say yes.

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

*IF* they made the pot sweet enough, I'd take him on the Eagles. 

There is only 2 Cowboys I would take on this team. CeeDee Lamb and Vander Esch. Wouldn't touch any others, esp Zeke. Even if they are giving us picks. His presence would be a cancer to this team.

44 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 

I forgot about Taylor and Bradley... I wonder why. 🤔

From a Wentz Washers perspective:

You cant lay 100% of the blame on Wentz for lacking situational awareness when our coaches' decision-making and playcalling is probably the worst it has been in Dougs tenure

Its hard to hold a QB to a higher standard than the coaches.  

But some of Wentz' decisions just flat out dont make sense and he never did this prior to this season. The first fumble was inexplicable considering no one was on that side of the field

I wonder if the Hurts thing really is on his mind, that he needs to continue showing that he is some superman level playmaker to avoid coming off the field.

Im also questioning the entire coaching setup on offense.  Are there too many voices?  Are they just bad at their jobs?

I am almost getting the Golden Tate feeling with Reagor where it kind of feels like they dont know how to use him, so they just call plays that they see other teams running for similar players

 

I agree with Doug, the bye is well-timed as it seems theyre out of answers.  They need to find some balance between getting the ball out of Wentz hand and allowing him to extend plays.  

Call the game like you would for any other QB:  stop dialing up deep balls for Hightower, build in some easy completions like every other coach does, and get a real RB and rely on the running game. 

 

How can you criticize Wentz for not taking easy completions when you know the Cowboys cant stop the run and you refuse to do it?  The coaching staff is getting too cute and I think its rubbing off on Wentz.  Running Boston Scott over and over again when he clearly wanted nothing to do with running between the tackles. 

I havent even mentioned the situational playcalling which really has been embarrassing this season, especially in short yardage/goal line situations

Some thoughts:

Trap game, in that Eagles were huge favorites against unknown QB, hard to play with intensity when you've been anointed the winner before the ball is snapped, this is why bad teams often cover the spread and even upset much better teams (uh, the Rams yesterday, etc). They were sloppy but did what they needed to win.

Wind was a special issue for the Eagles, if they had Sanders or prime McCoy they'd have run him 20-25 times, but Scott isn't a workhorse back and Clements is shot. However, Doug did not game plan a running game that included WRs, Reagor for example could have been used on a couple end arounds, etc.

Wentz is in a funk, he's still trying too hard to make plays, his skill players are highly inconsistent (surprise, surprise), so even when he had time there was often nothing there.

Mailata got beat on the first play by Lawrence, after that, he pretty much shut down whoever was in front of him, Peters looked like he got into shape, but the guards - slow feet and slower (Pryor), other than matchup one on one in pass protection, they're basically useless. A step behind picking up their man every time the Cowboys stunted.

Cowboys aren't as bad as they've looked on defense, they have talent, Nolan may not be brilliant, but he completely reworked the scheme with no preseason or exhibition games, and it's not surprising they're taking their time adjusting - but for all who want to draft LBs, #54 is a more talented version of Gerry. Meanwhile Edwards was as advertised, above average run stopper. Lawrence is a stud. If Gregory could pass a drug test he'd be dangerous.

 

 

28 minutes ago, metal said:

I posted this last night as it occurred during the game but I'm sure it was overlooked at the time. Seems like really low compensation for him. He's in the last year of his contract so I'm guessing he wants a big payday though.

 

That's a rental price and the Jets are getting something more than they'd get in compensatory picks, because they need to sign free agents.   Weird that they still took a 2022 pick though... delayed gratification on that.  Maybe they are scared of the 2021 draft because of the weird season and players sitting, etc.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

cutting off your nose to spite your face. Like I mentioned last week.. you give me a Brock osweiler type deal I'd probably take it. 

So it would look something like... Zeke + #37 in 2021. #100 in 201 for our 117. Ya, I'd really think about it

He is a cancer, so NO, I wouldn't take it. We have cap issues ourselves and even just this year eats into our carry over for next year. your forgetting the fact the Browns had a TON of cap room to eat that cap. Brock also was not the personality and cancer Zeke is. So for those two reasons, I wouldnt touch him. 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Playing with Carson takes some used to. "I can't believe threw that" has to be in your head at all times.

Yup.  But, that's an easy transition to make if you are a hungry player.   Expect the ball, and be disappointed when it doesn't come your way.   Don't be passive and expect the ball to go elsewhere and then be surprised when it comes to you.   

 

Mentality for any receiver should always be: "I'm always open" and "if the ball is in the air, it's mine". 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Some thoughts:

Trap game, in that Eagles were huge favorites against unknown QB, hard to play with intensity when you've been anointed the winner before the ball is snapped, this is why bad teams often cover the spread and even upset much better teams (uh, the Rams yesterday, etc). They were sloppy but did what they needed to win.

Wind was a special issue for the Eagles, if they had Sanders or prime McCoy they'd have run him 20-25 times, but Scott isn't a workhorse back and Clements is shot. However, Doug did not game plan a running game that included WRs, Reagor for example could have been used on a couple end arounds, etc.

Wentz is in a funk, he's still trying too hard to make plays, his skill players are highly inconsistent (surprise, surprise), so even when he had time there was often nothing there.

Mailata got beat on the first play by Lawrence, after that, he pretty much shut down whoever was in front of him, Peters looked like he got into shape, but the guards - slow feet and slower (Pryor), other than matchup one on one in pass protection, they're basically useless. A step behind picking up their man every time the Cowboys stunted.

Cowboys aren't as bad as they've looked on defense, they have talent, Nolan may not be brilliant, but he completely reworked the scheme with no preseason or exhibition games, and it's not surprising they're taking their time adjusting - but for all who want to draft LBs, #54 is a more talented version of Gerry. Meanwhile Edwards was as advertised, above average run stopper. Lawrence is a stud. If Gregory could pass a drug test he'd be dangerous.

 

 

A 2-4-1 team can't afford a 'trap game'.   You come out with intensity because beating your division rivals is the ONLY way you are going to win this division.  It's a division game with a bye to follow.   Feast on the newb, don't take it for granted.   And they can't consider themselves better than any team.  They already did that with Washington and it bit them.  They might have even done it with Cincinnati.   This is a 2 win team.  There are no trap games.  

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Most rookies do.  And as we look at Travis Fulgham, he's not a rookie.  He's in his second year.  WRs make a huge jump from year one to year two.   Reagor has a steeper learning curve than a guy like Justin Jefferson as well, because he played in a milk-toast defensive conference.   He needs to get with Moorehead and learn to be a fighter and not give up on any play.

Agree with your point, and just as an FYI, the term is milquetoast, all one word!

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

From a Wentz Washers perspective:

You cant lay 100% of the blame on Wentz for lacking situational awareness when our coaches' decision-making and playcalling is probably the worst it has been in Dougs tenure

Its hard to hold a QB to a higher standard than the coaches.  

But some of Wentz' decisions just flat out dont make sense and he never did this prior to this season. The first fumble was inexplicable considering no one was on that side of the field

I wonder if the Hurts thing really is on his mind, that he needs to continue showing that he is some superman level playmaker to avoid coming off the field.

Im also questioning the entire coaching setup on offense.  Are there too many voices?  Are they just bad at their jobs?

I am almost getting the Golden Tate feeling with Reagor where it kind of feels like they dont know how to use him, so they just call plays that they see other teams running for similar players

 

I agree with Doug, the bye is well-timed as it seems theyre out of answers.  They need to find some balance between getting the ball out of Wentz hand and allowing him to extend plays.  

Call the game like you would for any other QB:  stop dialing up deep balls for Hightower, build in some easy completions like every other coach does, and get a real RB and rely on the running game. 

 

How can you criticize Wentz for not taking easy completions when you know the Cowboys cant stop the run and you refuse to do it?  The coaching staff is getting too cute and I think its rubbing off on Wentz.  Running Boston Scott over and over again when he clearly wanted nothing to do with running between the tackles. 

I havent even mentioned the situational playcalling which really has been embarrassing this season, especially in short yardage/goal line situations

Never liked the move to hire so many OCs. Felt like Doug was sticking it to Howie and we're dealing with the consequences of that decision

It's possible that the 2nd rounder is getting in his head. It was a stupid pick. QB factory

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Agree with your point, and just as an FYI, the term is milquetoast, all one word!

I like to think of it as dipping your toast in your cereal bowl... soggy milk-toast.   

Eagles should be much better after the bye week once they start getting players back, especially OL.

Hightower is not going to start in the NFL, he simply can't locate the ball, something that's basic and probably can't really be taught, it's like an OF taking the right angles, if you don't have the spatial awareness to track a ball in the air there's only so much coaching can do. And he's not a hands catcher. This is why most speed WRs never make it in the NFL, speed can't compensate for lack of body control and eye to hand coordination - you can coach route running, but you can't coach agility. For all the crap Eagle fans gave Pinkston, he was a legitimate deep threat who could make that catch routinely - it was the underneath routes where he struggled. We'll see what Watkins has in a few weeks.

How did Fulgham get cut by two teams? I mean he's not a speedster but he's fast enough, any WR over 6'0 who runs under 4.6 who can run routes, snatch the ball and high point can start in the NFL, and those aren't traits that are that hard to observe - maybe some teams are as obsessed with speed as some fans? Most passes don't travel more than 20 yards downfield, give me guys who can get separation, hand catch and use their body to shield the throw - Hopkins has had a pretty good career doing that.

 

30 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I still don't want Hurts to start

Agree

A few trade deadline thoughts.  I don't know some of the cap implications on these guys but just thoughts.

-Can the Eagles sell high with Brandon Graham?  Would love to see him retire an Eagle but he's a top 3 pass rusher this year, causes turnovers and is a great team guy.  What would a contender give for him to help in a SB push?  Could BG bring back a 3rd?

-What could Rodney McLeod bring?  Would someone give a 4th?  He's playing pretty well.  He's going on 31.  This is the best he will be.  Much like BG, sell high on him. 

-Will Parks, do you get us a 6th?

-Malik Jackson, can you bring a 5th?

-JJAW conditional 2022 7th?

-Derek Barnett was mentioned a few weeks back and I thought he was improving and worth keeping.  Quiet since, 3rd or 4th?

-Clearly Howie sucks at drafting.  What 23-25 year old ascending players could our 2nd or 3rd bring back who could be Eagles for the prime of their careers?  We are getting ZERO production out of the last 2 drafts 2nd and 3rd round picks (including Sanders on the shelf).  Use those assets for proven players.  I don't consider this buying but investing in the future.

With all that being said, tomorrow will come and go and the Eagles will have the same roster at 4:01.

 

58 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

tomorrow at 4 I thought...

oh yeah. I was thinking this was tuesday. Sunday work threw me off. 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Eagles should be much better after the bye week once they start getting players back, especially OL.

Hightower is not going to start in the NFL, he simply can't locate the ball, something that's basic and probably can't really be taught, it's like an OF taking the right angles, if you don't have the spatial awareness to track a ball in the air there's only so much coaching can do. And he's not a hands catcher. This is why most speed WRs never make it in the NFL, speed can't compensate for lack of body control and eye to hand coordination - you can coach route running, but you can't coach agility. For all the crap Eagle fans gave Pinkston, he was a legitimate deep threat who could make that catch routinely - it was the underneath routes where he struggled. We'll see what Watkins has in a few weeks.

How did Fulgham get cut by two teams? I mean he's not a speedster but he's fast enough, any WR over 6'0 who runs under 4.6 who can run routes, snatch the ball and high point can start in the NFL, and those aren't traits that are that hard to observe - maybe some teams are as obsessed with speed as some fans? Most passes don't travel more than 20 yards downfield, give me guys who can get separation, hand catch and use their body to shield the throw - Hopkins has had a pretty good career doing that.

 

Good question.  Lions and Packers.  Glad he's ours.  He's got starting caliber WR written all over him for the future.   

I don't think Hightower was ever looked at as a future starter.  He's a guy that has speed and is a good option for a WR4/5... because he brings something unique to the field - deep speed.   Trouble is... he looks lost once he's out there.   He needs to get better catching and tracking, and there are ways to work on that.  I wonder if he's a 'heel' runner.  The ball will 'bounce' if he's running on his heels... just changing to running on the balls of his feet when the ball is in the air would do wonders for him if that's the case.  I was a 'heel' runner (played infield a lot as a kid), but got moved to outfield as I got older due to necessity on the team.  It was a tough transition and its one I only made when going for fly balls, but I made it and it made me almost capable in the outfield.  I still struggled mightily with balls hit straight at me though.  Anything to either side was far easier to judge than the fly ball right at me.