15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wentz needs to be coached properly!!!  Period.  End of story.  He is not getting the coaching and the coordinating.  The difference?  Coaching would be footwork, decision making, pre-snap reads, mechanics, PLAY CLOCK MANAGEMENT!!!   Coordinating would be, play design, game plan for the opponent, scripted plays, offensive philosophy, pocket movement and again.....PLAY CLOCK MANAGEMENT!!!!  Too many times it seems a play seems frenetic and Carson gets frenetic because the F-ING plays are coming in too late and the play clock is counting down under 5 seconds.  It is not a good way to start a play!  I have been saying it for 2 years now, but it all has a correlation to how a QB and an offense performs.  If I know they won't snap it until it gets under 5 seconds, don't you think the defense knows that?  Maybe, maybe you switch it up every now and then and catch the defense off guard.  You cannot run the GD play clock down below 5 seconds on every play!  And he should not be allowed to check out of every GD play!  Carson, run it!  Enough with the KILL KILL KILL.  Run the GD play.  Take what is there and get the ball out of your hands.  

 

The two picks were more just being too aggressive in the wind.  They weren't necessarily bad throws.  They just maybe weren't necessary throws.  The two fumbles is what had me livid.  Especially the first one.  I'm pretty sure the neighbors heard me on that one.  My dog started shaking.  Ginger SpazzBot, held onto the ball too long...then left the pocket.  But where did he go?  Floated off to the left, which is never a great idea if your a right handed QB.  But what made it even worse is there was no routes being run on that side of the field.  A good QB coach will have that fixed.  A well coached QB will know not to do that and if all else fails, put it in the 3rd row.  A QB that has a proper coordinator will design plays and a philosophy to avoid such lulls in productivity.  Carson's decline is on him.  But it is also on the coaching.  But if he is getting the coaching and he refuses to take it and apply it, then he needs to be benched.  Plain and simple.  I said last night, he should have benched for one drive.  

Agree with this.  It's a combination of Wentz and the coaching staff.  They both need to be good for him to play QB well enough for the team to be a SB contender.  

First thing they need to do is get rid of this OC by committee concoction.  It's not working and there's too many chefs in the kitchen.  In the off-season they need to do a very thorough and extensive search for an OC and a QB coach.  Wentz needs proper coaching up and coaches who stay on him about his mechanics and decision making.  The rumours from the journos are that he's being coddled and given too much leeway to do what he wants.  He needs coaches that will reel him in when he gets too out of control, like last night.  But, he needs to take responsibility for his decisions, learn from his mistakes and get better.  That's his part, which with proper coaching would be easier to do.  

Yes, with a healthy OL in front of him and RBs who aren't in reality 3rd down backs being depended upon every down then his play would probably improve.  But there's no reason he should be this bad right now if he played smarter and learned to take the plays that are there and don't force the ones that aren't.  

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He is not a good DC.  I wouldn't pat him on the back too much.  Dallas sucks.  

Like I said I’ve criticized him plenty and I’m sure I will in coming weeks. Nor do I think he’s a good DC. His defense gave up 3 points last night. Props to him.

9 minutes ago, ToDie4Eagles said:

Exactly. It's like when the defense looked stellar against the Jets last year.

Agreed. But 3 points is 3 points. So kudos for now Mr Schwartz.

9 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

So anybody hit any thoughts on all the 4th down attempts and 2 point conversion attempts? Honestly getting pretty tired of it. I get when it’s 13-9 going for 2 etc.. but some of the other ones over the past few weeks and these 4th down attempts... My God does Doug still think we have the 2017 offense??

 

 

Also, a tip of the hat to Jim Schwartz last night. I routinely kill him. He did a tremendous job last night. With Doug’s help they only gave up 9 points, w/o it most likely only 3. 

The D wasn't the issue last night, however, I wouldn't give Schwartz any accolades for playing an O that had only scored 13pts total their previous 2 games with a 7th round rookie QB making his 1st NFL start.  On the Cowgirls opening drive he gifted them 3pts on 3rd & long by calling a D to sit back and not allow the 1st down, but gave up enough yardage to put them into make-able FG range.  These are the things he does repeatedly that I hope they don't renew/extend his contract and move on to a new DC next season.  He's not terrible, but it's a position that can be upgraded and needs to be upgraded.

 

1 minute ago, Green_Guinness said:

The D wasn't the issue last night, however, I wouldn't give Schwartz any accolades for playing an O that had only scored 13pts total their previous 2 games with a 7th round rookie QB making his 1st NFL start.  On the Cowgirls opening drive he gifted them 3pts on 3rd & long by calling a D to sit back and not allow the 1st down, but gave up enough yardage to put them into make-able FG range.  These are the things he does repeatedly that I hope they don't renew/extend his contract and move on to a new DC next season.  He's not terrible, but it's a position that can be upgraded and needs to be upgraded.

 

Agree with all of your post. Those were the 3 points the D gave up despite Doug’s recklessness in giving up the ball at midfield. I’m aware we weren’t playing against the Joe Montana 49ers offense as well. 
Ive criticized Schwartz plenty, but they played well last night.

48 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

 

The thing is, we know Edwards is not a good coverage LB where Gerry was a college S who supposedly could cover.  I think we accept that Edwards is a 2-down LB and won't/shouldn't be out there on 3rd down passing downs.  But, he is loads better at diagnosing a play and making the tackle.  He had a really good tackle on the Ewok where it almost looked like a wrestling takedown.  And honestly, you literally can NOT do worse than allowing every target thrown your way to be completed and have (near) perfect passing rating against you, which is what Gerry had.  Bottom line:  Edwards >>>>> Gerry.

So Kist can suck it for trying to get clicks by pointing out something we all pretty much knew anyway.

 

Edwards has different issues in coverage than Gerry.  Gerry always seems late to diagnose.... Edwards is just slow afoot.  That's a significant difference to me.   Give me Edwards, even in passing downs over Gerry.    But, I'd like to see some more speed out there for passing downs.

43 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I'd be interested to hear your impressions on the amount of help Mailata is getting.  Seemed to me like Goedert disappeared in the game for that reason.

Could very well be true... and frankly, I'm ok with that.  Can't let Lawrence beat you, so keeping in Goedert, who is a 'plus' blocker at TE in my opinion, makes sense.  Lawrence was the only defender who was going to be capable of changing the game... other than Diggs because Carson kept making dangerous throws.

43 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I was listening to the Roob/Zangaro podcast this morning.

A lot of criticism of Carson and Doug.  Most well deserved.  But through the first 30 minutes, not a single mention of 4 backups starting on OL.

I am not excusing Carson and Doug, but context is important.  Doug is hamstrung by limited talent on OL.  

The OL held up pretty well, except for RG in the game.  And the backups on the OL shouldn't matter in terms of decisions made by Wentz to not throw the ball away when outside the pocket... nor the decision to 'be aggressive' versus playing the field position game in a windy game against a terrible QB.   Punt, get the stop deep in Dallas territory, and start with a fresh set of downs.   Trust the Defense to get the ball back in essentially the same spot after the punt, after 3 plays, rather than go for it and put those 4 backup OL in the pressure situation on a 4th down.   Doug didn't make the big decisions based on personnel.  Play to your strengths... which is the Eagles' DL against the Cowboys' OL/QB.

Given how quiet of a game Dallas Goedert played, I thought he was on a significantly reduced snap count.  Nope.  53 out of 63, which is right around what he was playing before he went down (79% in W1 and 89% in W2)

1 minute ago, paco said:

Given how quiet of a game Dallas Goedert played, I thought he was on a significantly reduced snap count.  Nope.  53 out of 63, which is right around what he was playing before he went down (79% in W1 and 89% in W2)

It looked like he helped block quite a bit.  So, I think they used max protect quite often.

Just now, CaliEagle said:

It looked like he helped block quite a bit.  So, I think they used max protect quite often.

I am a bit surprised by that.  It's not like Dallas has some dominant pass rush.

 

Either way, a lot of good that did.  Wentz still turned it over 4 times  

1 minute ago, paco said:

I am a bit surprised by that.  It's not like Dallas has some dominant pass rush.

 

Either way, a lot of good that did.  Wentz still turned it over 4 times  

I think they wanted to get the WRs involved. It seemed like they wanted to try to feature Reagor.  

5 minutes ago, paco said:

I am a bit surprised by that.  It's not like Dallas has some dominant pass rush.

 

Either way, a lot of good that did.  Wentz still turned it over 4 times  

They have pretty good ends. The middle is non existent. 

This is not ideal.

Can someone please link me with quotes about Wentz not taking coaching?  I see this thrown around alot but I haven't been able to find any quotes about Wentz not taking coaching from any of his past coaches?   Is this internet rumors or real?  On this board I heard people say Wentz and DeFilippo didn't get along because Wentz didn't like his coaching style but see nothing from DeFilippo or anyone that points to being more than internet rumors.  I also saw someone said Reich said he wouldn't take coaching that is the first time I heard that searched and couldn't find anything.  Soooooooooooo are we just making crap up???  

 

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is not ideal.

Yep. That is dumb. What's the point of getting tested on game day if you are going to find the results a day later?  That system is putting people at risk.

3 hours ago, RLC said:

We finally have two WRs who can separate and win at the catch point, so of course the QB is bad. 

We actually saw Reagor catch a short pass, make a defender miss, and get the first down.  I haven't seen an Eagle receiver do that effectively for about 3 years now, so I figured it would be a penalty for making that guy look silly.  

1 minute ago, phil77 said:

Can someone please link me with quotes about Wentz not taking coaching?  I see this thrown around alot but I haven't been able to find any quotes about Wentz not taking coaching from any of his past coaches?   Is this internet rumors or real?  On this board I heard people say Wentz and DeFilippo didn't get along because Wentz didn't like his coaching style but see nothing from DeFilippo or anyone that points to being more than internet rumors.  I also saw someone said Reich said he wouldn't take coaching that is the first time I heard that searched and couldn't find anything.  Soooooooooooo are we just making crap up???  

 

 

"Not Taking coaching" means he isn't listening to coaches when it comes to protecting the football.  Doug, yet again, after last night's game said he has talked to Carson about protecting the football.  Yet, he keeps doing dumb things like throw it into double coverage on 1st down. Did it last night.  Did it in the end zone against the Rams when he tried to force it into JJAW.  He continues to hold the ball more than 7 seconds and then takes sacks/fumbles.  It's pretty obvious by now.

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Waiting on the all-22 but my impression is that Mailata was much better this week than last and he was going against Dallas's best player. That's not to say he was good, but he was better. It's worth remembering that Lawrence has given Lane fits in the past.

The first snap of the game Lawrence made him look silly.  After that, I didn't notice Mailata in a bad way.  He was impressive in the run game which others on here have said that might make him a better RT down the road.  He could be a Jon Runyan and I don't think that's an exaggeration.  

What Mailata showed me tonight is that worst case scenario, he's our new swing tackle.  Best case scenario depends on Dillard hitting his potential.  If that happens you have Dillard at LT and Mailata at RT for the next decade.  

Here's a question that hasn't been asked yet.  If Dillard does become the LT and Mailata can be RT.  Does Lane have any ability to kick in to guard?  

16 minutes ago, paco said:

Given how quiet of a game Dallas Goedert played, I thought he was on a significantly reduced snap count.  Nope.  53 out of 63, which is right around what he was playing before he went down (79% in W1 and 89% in W2)

Doug was asked why he was not involved more. His answer basically was that he did not have time to work in more plays for him due to only finding out he could play a few days ago. No offense, if you have a star, you find a way to work in some plays to get him involved. His lone designed play(the only RPO) was a wide open hit on a cross for a nice gain. 

3 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

"Not Taking coaching" means he isn't listening to coaches when it comes to protecting the football.  Doug, yet again, after last night's game said he has talked to Carson about protecting the football.  Yet, he keeps doing dumb things like throw it into double coverage on 1st down. Did it last night.  Did it in the end zone against the Rams when he tried to force it into JJAW.  He continues to hold the ball more than 7 seconds and then takes sacks/fumbles.  It's pretty obvious by now.

 

 

Doug saying stuff in the media isn't coaching.  How is Carson being coached in practice? How are they trying to fix it besides saying it every week in the media.    Clearly there is something going on because Wentz hasn't been an interception machine like this his entire career so why now?   I understand the fumbles that has been that way his entire career but the interceptions are new and just don't know why the change this year in the interceptions and trying to force it down field.  

Who made the call to all of the sudden to try and force everything down field compared to previous year?  I know in the offseason they wanted to get MORE SPEED to push the ball downfield  so is this a result of coaching?  They want him to throw it down field?  I just don't understand how a player throws 21 INTs in total the last three season and then has 12 already this season.  It just doesn't add up unless there was a change in philosophy from the 57 offensive coaches we hired?   Its not easily explainable as WENTZ sucks. The last three seasons he wasn't just chucking the ball up for grabs down the field all the time so why now?  What changed?  

1 hour ago, Green_Guinness said:

 

The thing is, we know Edwards is not a good coverage LB where Gerry was a college S who supposedly could cover.  I think we accept that Edwards is a 2-down LB and won't/shouldn't be out there on 3rd down passing downs.  But, he is loads better at diagnosing a play and making the tackle.  He had a really good tackle on the Ewok where it almost looked like a wrestling takedown.  And honestly, you literally can NOT do worse than allowing every target thrown your way to be completed and have (near) perfect passing rating against you, which is what Gerry had.  Bottom line:  Edwards >>>>> Gerry.

So Kist can suck it for trying to get clicks by pointing out something we all pretty much knew anyway.

 

Kist is a tool.  I've actually unfollowed BGN.  I don't want to sound like a grump but I want actual journalists giving me their analysis on games and players.  I don't want a group of guys who figured out how to use twitter for likes.  If you are constantly using foul language in your tweets then that shows me you wouldn't know how to be anything close to a journalist outside of twitter.

Jimmy Kempski is next.  

Just now, phil77 said:

 

 

Doug saying stuff in the media isn't coaching.  How is Carson being coached in practice? How are they trying to fix it besides saying it every week in the media.    Clearly there is something going on because Wentz hasn't been an interception machine like this his entire career so why now?   I understand the fumbles that has been that way his entire career but the interceptions are new and just don't know why the change this year in the interceptions and trying to force it down field.  

Who made the call to all of the sudden to try and force everything down field compared to previous year?  I know in the offseason they wanted to get MORE SPEED to push the ball downfield  so is this a result of coaching?  They want him to throw it down field?  I just don't understand how a player throws 21 INTs in total the last three season and then has 12 already this season.  It just doesn't add up unless there was a change in philosophy from the 57 offensive coaches we hired?   Its not easily explainable as WENTZ sucks. The last three seasons he wasn't just chucking the ball up for grabs down the field all the time so why now?  What changed?  

Doug said he tells Carson that. That is coaching. Doug isn't telling Carson in the press conference.  He is telling him that during practice or in the film room.   If your boss tells you to take steps to prevent problems and you continue to do the same thing, that is not taking to coaching. This is pretty basic.

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Doug was asked why he was not involved more. His answer basically was that he did not have time to work in more plays for him due to only finding out he could play a few days ago. No offense, if you have a star, you find a way to work in some plays to get him involved. His lone designed play(the only RPO) was a wide open hit on a cross for a nice gain. 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Doug was asked why he was not involved more. His answer basically was that he did not have time to work in more plays for him due to only finding out he could play a few days ago. No offense, if you have a star, you find a way to work in some plays to get him involved. His lone designed play(the only RPO) was a wide open hit on a cross for a nice gain. 

Wait... WTF kind of answer is that?  It's not like when he went down Doug tore up all the TE plays in the playbook.  

 

The way Doug conducts himself with the media makes me miss Andy.