32 minutes ago, hputenis said:

You single-handedly turned a post that was aimed at how amazing the catch was by Davante Adams into "Well, that's because Rogers throws a catchable ball" in order to spread your hatred for Wentz.  You're right.  Rogers does throw a catchable ball.  But if you think any receiver on this team for the past 10 years is making that catch you're fooling yourself.  

Fulgham?

My perspective on Wentz, his accuracy and his receiving options this year. DO we have a Wentz issue or receiver issue?  I would say it's more of a receiver issue with some fault going to Wentz.

If you care to look it up, when throwing to Fulgham, Wentz's QBR etc... are much better than when he throws to any other WR. Like not even close.   The young guys are often not in the right place, do not run the best routes, dont come back for the ball, dont fight for the ball, slightly give up on the play etc.  While when throwing to Fulgham, Wentz looks like the 2017 WENTZ. 

Give Reagor and Hightower some time and maybe they learn and get better. Carson still has to work on his decision making and damn it, throw the ball away. But he is giving the guys a chance by throwing the ball up to them. They need to learn to go get the ball. 

 

3 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I have to say he did not look better than Clement in the game. He looked slow and easy to bring down.  

That's because he's checked out.  

2 hours ago, Nivraga said:

Why is that people who haven't bailed on Wentz and are looking of REAL - logical explanations - are "Wentz worshippers"? It's like when group A criticizes the team and group B defends the team then group B is obviously drinking the famous overused reference. NO!! it's just 2 groups that disagree - labeling 1 side or the other is a pathetic attempt to delegitimize their opinion. 

These days people can't disagree without also becoming disagreeable.  It's sad.  Instead, they have to create strawmen or caricatures of the other side.

15 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

My perspective on Wentz, his accuracy and his receiving options this year. DO we have a Wentz issue or receiver issue?  I would say it's more of a receiver issue with some fault going to Wentz.

If you care to look it up, when throwing to Fulgham, Wentz's QBR etc... are much better than when he throws to any other WR. Like not even close.   The young guys are often not in the right place, do not run the best routes, dont come back for the ball, dont fight for the ball, slightly give up on the play etc.  While when throwing to Fulgham, Wentz looks like the 2017 WENTZ. 

Give Reagor and Hightower some time and maybe they learn and get better. Carson still has to work on his decision making and damn it, throw the ball away. But he is giving the guys a chance by throwing the ball up to them. They need to learn to go get the ball. 

 

Would help if he'd stop fumbling as well which has been a problem since he entered the league regardless his WRs.

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Because that's what we do in this country. 

It wasn't always like that though.  This is a more recent phenomenon.  

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It wasn't always like that though.  This is a more recent phenomenon.  

its the "widening the plate" generation

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It wasn't always like that though.  This is a more recent phenomenon.  

It is way worse and it's infiltrating every day discussions, like football. 

58 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Fulgham?

I guess it's a possibility, but I don't think he makes that catch.  That catch was absurd, and the fact that he got that knee down with his body control was even more impressive.  

43 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's because he's checked out.  

Covid related fatigue. 

3 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

What point? That Adams made a great catch? That the Eagles haven't had superstar receivers? You Wentz worshippers want all-pros at every position on the offense. If the ball is in the same zip code as the receiver, receiver has to make a play. If the line can't hold up for 5 seconds, they suck. If 3 receivers aren't running wide open on a play, fire Doug. It's mind-numbing. 

Wentz has been the QB for the last 30 years?

Do you even read what you're quoting before you go on a tangent?

My post had zero to do with whether or not Wentz is getting help and everything to do with our WRs going back for years.

So yes, you missed the point. Twice.

4 hours ago, hputenis said:

They don't.  If that exact throw is made to anyone not named Fulgham, it's a pick.  Fulgham wouldn't catch it either - but he could probably break it up at least.  Diggs made 2 better catches on his interceptions last week against us than our receivers have in years.  

Exactly. Go back even further. How often has anyone we have had on our roster made that level of catch? Maybe a handful.

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

My perspective on Wentz, his accuracy and his receiving options this year. DO we have a Wentz issue or receiver issue?  I would say it's more of a receiver issue with some fault going to Wentz.

If you care to look it up, when throwing to Fulgham, Wentz's QBR etc... are much better than when he throws to any other WR. Like not even close.   The young guys are often not in the right place, do not run the best routes, dont come back for the ball, dont fight for the ball, slightly give up on the play etc.  While when throwing to Fulgham, Wentz looks like the 2017 WENTZ. 

Give Reagor and Hightower some time and maybe they learn and get better. Carson still has to work on his decision making and damn it, throw the ball away. But he is giving the guys a chance by throwing the ball up to them. They need to learn to go get the ball. 

 

I agree with all of this.  I'm a self-admitted "Wentz washer," but he has been crap this year.  I don't want to go through every bad decision this season, but last week, his 2 interceptions were dumb decisions.  I don't care if Reagor slowed up on that route.  Why is he throwing that pass in that situation with 2 defenders around him?  His first fumble was one of the dumbest fumbles I've ever seen.  

However, your point in regards to Fulgham provides a reasonable explanation as to why he has thrown so many interceptions this year.  Plenty of them were because receivers were not in the right spots or they didn't even attempt to come back to the ball.  Even Zach Ertz has been a slug with his route running this year, which is another topic altogether.  Before I have a Wentz haters jump down my throat, please note my first paragraph, and also that plenty of the interceptions were all on Wentz.  

I'm hoping a healthier OL and Miles Sanders will really open things up in the 2nd half of the season and make things easier.  To say he should be better is more than fair.  To ignore his lack of weapons, OL, RB, and TE is borderline stupid.  

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I agree with all of this.  I'm a self-admitted "Wentz washer," but he has been crap this year.  I don't want to go through every bad decision this season, but last week, his 2 interceptions were dumb decisions.  I don't care if Reagor slowed up on that route.  Why is he throwing that pass in that situation with 2 defenders around him?  His first fumble was one of the dumbest fumbles I've ever seen.  

However, your point in regards to Fulgham provides a reasonable explanation as to why he has thrown so many interceptions this year.  Plenty of them were because receivers were not in the right spots or they didn't even attempt to come back to the ball.  Even Zach Ertz has been a slug with his route running this year, which is another topic altogether.  Before I have a Wentz haters jump down my throat, please note my first paragraph, and also that plenty of the interceptions were all on Wentz.  

I'm hoping a healthier OL and Miles Sanders will really open things up in the 2nd half of the season and make things easier.  To say he should be better is more than fair.  To ignore his lack of weapons, OL, RB, and TE is borderline stupid.  

Aaron Rodgers throws a better ball, washer!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Some of it is Wentz, some of it is the receivers, some of it is the OL.

Last year down the stretch he had a solid OL, Sanders/Scott, Ertz/Goedert, so he could live with Ward, JJAW, Perkins and Davis.

33/63  368  to WRs the last four games.

So he went to a short game using Sanders and his TEs as his primary receivers.

This year he started out without WRs once DeSean went down until Fulgham emerged, other than Ward. Sanders getting hurt took away both the run threat and the RB out of the backfield. And the TEs getting hurt took away his easy looks over the middle. Combine that with the OL getting hurt en masse, and you see Wentz pressing, trying to extend plays and forcing the issue.

Hopefully with Lane back, Peters in shape and maybe Driscoll back at guard, the OL will give him more time, and just as important, more consistency in pass blocking.

A healthy Sanders will give him the big play guy and take the load off Scott. He also forces teams to respect both the screen pass and the wheel route.

Fulgham, Reagor and Ward means Hightower and Watkins can be spotted.

And a healthy Goedert gives him a safety valve.

Wentz is such a polarizing QB. The back and forth of elite QB play to downright awful play is crazy. I don’t point all the blame on Wentz, he’s had a different OL combination every game. Starting RB hurt. Young WR who clearly aren’t on same page as Wentz. So Wentz plays hero ball, which leads to a lot of ugly plays that could of been avoided. Coaching is also a factor, I was so confused why Eagles were using all these trick plays against a bad Dallas defense with a red hot Fulgham + Goedert/Reagor back. Wentz has been the reason we’ve stayed close in games we had no business in (Pitt, Bal) & also why we could of lost to some bad teams. It’s a collective issue across the board, this team obviously has a lot of issues. Wentz’s poor play you can give excuses for, but it’s still the biggest issue for the Eagles.
 

I don’t know what the Eagles season will be like after bye week, I’ll still support start to finish no matter what, but I don’t have much confidence for them to turn it around. I really hope I’m wrong. 

33 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I don’t know what the Eagles season will be like after bye week 

They'll likely go 8-7-1, win the division and host a home playoff game.

 

Definitely in agreement with austinfan and that sentiment in general. The problem is though, for a team that has the same GM, head coach, and QB, we somehow are among the teams in the NFL that have the least continuity. This has been an extreme issue for years now, it's one of the oldest rosters in the league, and 75 million over the cap next year

The offense, if it ever gets healthy and on the same page, should be solid going forward. But to me the defense is absolutely useless if the defensive line doesn't dominate. And even when it has, like the Bengals game, it still almost wasn't enough 

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

Covid related fatigue. 

Team sucks, and I got my money fatigue.

6 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

lol what a cuck. did a little locker room talk hurt your little heart. stop being soft

My soft little heart got me through seven sf tours in war zones. That’s the kind of resilience that isn’t shaken by a mb troll. Sorry pal, not buying. Just pointing out that you were lying. 

2 hours ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Definitely in agreement with austinfan and that sentiment in general. The problem is though, for a team that has the same GM, head coach, and QB, we somehow are among the teams in the NFL that have the least continuity. This has been an extreme issue for years now, it's one of the oldest rosters in the league, and 75 million over the cap next year

The offense, if it ever gets healthy and on the same page, should be solid going forward. But to me the defense is absolutely useless if the defensive line doesn't dominate. And even when it has, like the Bengals game, it still almost wasn't enough 

"Hope is not a strategy"

Zach Wilson might get drafted in the first round next year.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I didn’t get the pics off of Facebook.  They were on google.  Just so you know.  Francois

the post said facebook, thats all i know, and i imagine thats where google images is pulling them.  But the location of the pictures you found while stalking a college age girl wasn't really my point

Wasn't sure where to put this. Thought about creating a new topic but there are already too many "Wentz" topics and so I decided to create it here and re-post where appropriate. I also want to preface this post by saying this not an attempt to make excuses for Wentz.

The biggest reason that it's said that it takes 3 years to evaluate a draft is because that is the typical learning curve. Some players are "NFL ready", those players are typically top 10 or  top 5 talents. Other players might take a little longer to develop and/or to find their best position but for the majority of players you know what they are by their 3rd year.

However, I think the "NFL ready" designation is different for QBs then for any other position because of the knowledge that is required for the position. I don't know what the easiest position to transition into the NFL is but just as an example - Defensive Tackle - only has to learn 1 position - he probably needs to know the responsibilities of the DT or DE next to him but for the most part he only needs to know his job. There are different schemes and different techniques but of those only 1 each applies to him (1 gap or 2 gap - 3 or 5 tech). A QB has to learn not only his specific responsibility but also needs to know where every other player is on the field. Offense AND defense.

I'm not going into detail about all the elements that go into evaluating a QB prospect (Ht, Wt, Arm Strength, Accuracy, Physical Attributes etc. - Ability to breakdown defenses - Visual Acuity - Spacial Awareness). I'll just say that Wentz checked all the boxes. 

Wentz entered the NFL into a really good situation. Doug Pederson played QB at Northeast Louisiana (now Louisiana - Monroe) and then in the NFL under QB coach Andy Reid in Green Bay and HC Andy Reid in Philadelphia - Coached under Andy Reid in Kansas City.

Frank Reich played QB at Maryland and then in the NFL with the Bills, Panthers, Jets, and Lions. For the young guys that don't know Frank Reich - he was essentially a career backup in the NFL but he engineered perhaps the greatest comeback in NCAA Div 1 history and then perhaps the greatest comeback in NFL playoff history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXxmmxKHD7o 

John Defilippo played QB at James Madison U and started his coaching career as QB coach at Fordham in 2000. Defilippo had 16 years of coaching experience (10 years NFL) as both QB coach and Offensive Coordinator when he joined the Eagles staff in 2016. 

The learning curve ... Steve Young said (at least) once that it took him about 3 years in this offense to really know what he was doing. Young was a Veteran NFL QB when he joined the 49ers. NFL players make a huge jump from year 1 to year 2 - because they've adjusted to the speed of the NFL and the significant greater talent - they've had time to learn they're play book and can Identify their strengths and weaknesses. They enter their first offseason with an understanding of what they need to work on. Year 2 to year 3 is another big jump especially for QBs. 

Injuries will derail that learning curve - Wentz had a decent rookie season - in year 2 he was the league MVP favorite before getting injured. This probably wouldn't have been so significant if it was a relatively minor injury that just kept him out for the remainder of the season. But it was a serious injury that required a full off season of rehab. For a veteran QB this is not a major issue - but for a young QB going year 2 to year 3, this is an unquantifiable set back. You can't commit the time necessary to develop your game and the time necessary to rehab. It's one or the other. Wentz also lost Reich and Defilippo and got Groh and Taylor. I don't think anyway will argue that Doug + Reich + Defilippo is not better than Doug + Groh + Taylor. Upon reflection, it was obvious at the start of 2018 that the league was 1 step ahead of Wentz. Wentz again suffered a season ending injury in December 2018 and again spent most of his 2019 off season rehabbing. 

I think anyone still reading this is aware of the injuries to the WRs in 2019 - Towards the end of the year - after getting some continuity with the receivers available, Wentz put the team on his back and carried them into the playoffs. Reflect on that for a moment.

In 2020 Wentz would enter an off season healthy for the first time since 2017- but then Covid 19 prevents a normal off season. And then team injuries started ... it's really difficult to evaluate where Wentz is as a QB when the team around him is constantly changing and the talent is constantly draining. 

I posted before that I think Wentz biggest issue at the moment is that he is trying too hard. He is pushing and trying to make every play. I heard Ike Reese a week or so ago make the comment "we can't even use injuries as an excuse anymore". I don't really like the term "excuse" because it suggests that someone is trying to say it's OK. This is an attempt to explain why Wentz is where he is in his career and the injuries still matter - they were a setback and so they will always matter. But some things are inexcusable - Wentz needs to know that he can't make every play - so he needs to stop trying. It's not OK to do stupid things regardless of the team around him. This is a coaching issue. I believe Reich and Defilippo would have corrected this last year. 

It's important to note that having a healthy off season, healthy team, good coaching - doesn't just instantly correct everything - it just puts you back on the correct path though experience should now accelerate the learning curve.

For the Wentz critics - give me (or rather Wentz) 3 straight weeks with the same 5 guys in front of Wentz and the same receivers to throw to and then we can talk.

 

 

6 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Zach Wilson might get drafted in the first round next year.

He has been my top qb from day one, and he will go first rd.

I would take him qb 2,and not far behind Lawrence 

 

I have said it before ,these next 2 years will produce 6 to 8 top QBs.

2 of my favorite QBs arent even eligible  ,Slovis ,who I like as much as Wilson,  and Howell 

Next 2 years will be good for teams needing a QB