19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Not in the first couple rounds. With Seumalo, Driscoll, Brooks, Herbig and pssibly Dillard on board, Opeta and Juriga as a projects to be molded by Stoutland.

Too many higher priorities.

I agree, but let the board play out how it may.

4 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Honestly, none of this matters if Wentz doesn't take care of the ball. His fumbling has nothing to do with chemistry.

Agree, every fumble comes down to Wentz not making protecting the ball a priority. 

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The IOL is one of the strengths of this draft.  You are over projecting Herbig, Opeta and Juriga, IMHO.  I want BPA, but in terms of need, I think that is CB, LB, S, IOL, and DE.  If the BPA is clearly in those areas, draft him.  Brooks, Kelce, Lane are long in the tooth.  Lane may be solved with Mailata but if the Kelce solution is Seumalo, then we need another G, besides Brooks’ replacement.   Now, Slay is getting older, McLeod has one more year and LB is a need regardless.   So those should be focuses too.  Good news is that accept for LB, which isn’t devoid of talent and good in the mid rounds, this is a strong draft for CB, IOL, S.   Yes, we need a back up RB.  Yes, more WR depth and TE (not a great TE draft) depth but play to the strengths. G/C is a strength and with C a strength last year, a C may slip. 

That's an afan specialty.  Herbig appears to be good depth, I don't see him as more than that.  Opeta seems to be easily replaceable and not 'good' depth.  He is marginal at best.  Juriga remains a giant question mark.

 

As goes the OL, so goes the QB and goes the offense.  2017 was in large part highly dependent on the OL being a dominant force and making HUGE holes for every RB they used, even Kenyon Barner had some nice success in limited opportunities.  Wentz had a long time in the pocket on many occasions, and then even Foles.  

OL can fix a lot of what ails any offense.  We have some pieces at WR now, TE is 'fine' with Goedert moving forward.  They need some RB help, but just a quality back with some power would be enough, not a top pick type player.  And Wentz would be better, imho, if he had the ability to trust his OL more.   So... I see OL as a massive need moving forward.    

While the defensive needs are absolutely there... this is an offensive league now, and I think that playing the ''we'll outscore everyone" plan would be easier to implement in 2021.  Just need better OL play, and much of it will take care of itself.    Then mix in some 'decent' CB, LB, S, and DE pieces.

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't know how someone watches last season and this season and doesn't come away with Oline being the #1 priority

Kelce may retire, Brooks and Lane seem to get injured a lot, and the team can't say no to Peters

They may be fine at OT but definitely need depth in the interior line.  Pryor and Herbig are not average starters. Herbig may develop but I think both of them will never be above average starters. They need talent at the position. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's an afan specialty.  Herbig appears to be good depth, I don't see him as more than that.  Opeta seems to be easily replaceable and not 'good' depth.  He is marginal at best.  Juriga remains a giant question mark.

 

As goes the OL, so goes the QB and goes the offense.  2017 was in large part highly dependent on the OL being a dominant force and making HUGE holes for every RB they used, even Kenyon Barner had some nice success in limited opportunities.  Wentz had a long time in the pocket on many occasions, and then even Foles.  

OL can fix a lot of what ails any offense.  We have some pieces at WR now, TE is 'fine' with Goedert moving forward.  They need some RB help, but just a quality back with some power would be enough, not a top pick type player.  And Wentz would be better, imho, if he had the ability to trust his OL more.   So... I see OL as a massive need moving forward.    

While the defensive needs are absolutely there... this is an offensive league now, and I think that playing the ''we'll outscore everyone" plan would be easier to implement in 2021.  Just need better OL play, and much of it will take care of itself.    Then mix in some 'decent' CB, LB, S, and DE pieces.

The issue is HOW to address the OL.

You can go ahead and lock the Eagles in for the #19 pick.  It’s a given.

OC/OG: #19 is a little rich for interior OL.  Is it worth it for the right guy?  Absolutely.  Not sure this draft has that type of sure thing plus prospect for interior OL.  Even worse when you consider the other needs we have.

LT/RT: #19 is a bit of a no man’s land.  Anyone with a reliable projection to franchise LT is gone by now and you have to either accept a red flag or a projection to RT.  So are we going to write off Dillard and burn another first round pick on a new LT with his own red flags?  Or are we going to draft Lane’s replacement at RT to not play for 2 years?  What about Mailata?

I just don’t see how the first round is a good investment for OL in 2021.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

This is coming.

I don’t watch many Giants games, so I can’t assess Tate’s effort — but performance?  He scored their first TD against the Eagles and what could have been their tying TD against the Bucs.

I’ve been hearing media folks from NY saying they like the job Joe Judge is doing.  I certainly haven’t seen what they’re seeing yet 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't know how someone watches last season and this season and doesn't come away with Oline being the #1 priority

Kelce may retire, Brooks and Lane seem to get injured a lot, and the team can't say no to Peters

The O-Line sucks, yes. If the best prospect available is an interior o-lineman, fine. But I trust the coaches to develop day 2 interior o-lineman. Any o-line with this many injuries and rookies playing 2 or 3 different positions will struggle. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The issue is HOW to address the OL.

You can go ahead and lock the Eagles in for the #19 pick.  It’s a given.

OC/OG: #19 is a little rich for interior OL.  Is it worth it for the right guy?  Absolutely.  Not sure this draft has that type of sure thing plus prospect for interior OL.  Even worse when you consider the other needs we have.

LT/RT: #19 is a bit of a no man’s land.  Anyone with a reliable projection to franchise LT is gone by now and you have to either accept a red flag or a projection to RT.  So are we going to write off Dillard and burn another first round pick on a new LT with his own red flags?  Or are we going to draft Lane’s replacement at RT to not play for 2 years?  What about Mailata?

I just don’t see how the first round is a good investment for OL in 2021.

I just don't see how anyone can make that assessment blindly.  We have yet to truly establish where they will be picking, nor who the prospects are.  If Jason Kelce 2.0 is sitting there at the Eagles' first round pick, they'd be stupid not to draft him.   So, before making declarative statements let's wait to see how things pan out... both in terms of this season (they could go 2-6 the rest of the way and miss the playoffs, we don't know... or they could win a playoff game at home and surprise us with a little run, and end up picking at #29... where interior OL start to really show more value).  

 

But, my post wasn't about draft picks... it was about team building.  OL is a higher priority than CB, LB, S or even DE in the grand scheme of things, so that is where the emphasis should be placed... not necessarily the draft capital.  The emphasis and the philosophy of team building determines the steps to take to fill those voids.

For example, the top OG might just be a guy to fall to the middle of the 2nd round, and then maybe you look to move up in Round 2 to grab him, which is never a guarantee... or since this team has so many needs, and the need to get younger and more talented at the same time, maybe they take the 'long approach' and trade back or even completely out of Round 1, acquire more picks, and grab that OG early in Round 2 while stockpiling a few more picks to help address those other needs with more darts thrown at the board.   With no first round pick, but 2 2nds, and possibly even 3 3rd round picks, depending on how they work the board in trading back, that might be better in the long run than sitting pat in Round 1 drafting a guy there, and then trading up with the 3rd round pick to grab the OG (hypothetical) player.  

What a pathetic last 3 minutes of a game to close out.

ASU may be the Atlanta of CFB.

10 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The O-Line sucks, yes. If the best prospect available is an interior o-lineman, fine. But I trust the coaches to develop day 2 interior o-lineman. Any o-line with this many injuries and rookies playing 2 or 3 different positions will struggle. 

I’ll be happy next April if the Eagles select the BPA; since there are a lot of draft needs and little money for FA, that pick could be OL, LB, CB, or WR 

4 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

What a pathetic last 3 minutes of a game to close out.

ASU may be the Atlanta of CFB.

I thought ASU had it in the bag... it was my fault.  

Oh gross!... TD in UGA/UF game.   Nice catch and run... but the receiver broke his leg on the tackle attempt at the goalline.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I thought ASU had it in the bag... it was my fault.  

Nah, this is typical. 😅

10 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

What a pathetic last 3 minutes of a game to close out.

ASU may be the Atlanta of CFB.

Just came on here to say this. I'm disgusted. 

Spencer Rattler can sling it. He's a lot of fun to watch. I call him "Mahomes Jr" ... with an emphasis on junior.

Penn State is getting smoked. This Tagovailoa is probably better than the Dolphins version. 

Dotson is nice

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t watch many Giants games, so I can’t assess Tate’s effort — but performance?  He scored their first TD against the Eagles and what could have been their tying TD against the Bucs.

I’ve been hearing media folks from NY saying they like the job Joe Judge is doing.  I certainly haven’t seen what they’re seeing yet 

Tate’s just disgruntled because he’s not getting the ball enough. Wife trashed the team on twitter, and Tate is being a diva. 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

The IOL is one of the strengths of this draft.  You are over projecting Herbig, Opeta and Juriga, IMHO.  I want BPA, but in terms of need, I think that is CB, LB, S, IOL, and DE.  If the BPA is clearly in those areas, draft him.  Brooks, Kelce, Lane are long in the tooth.  Lane may be solved with Mailata but if the Kelce solution is Seumalo, then we need another G, besides Brooks’ replacement.   Now, Slay is getting older, McLeod has one more year and LB is a need regardless.   So those should be focuses too.  Good news is that accept for LB, which isn’t devoid of talent and good in the mid rounds, this is a strong draft for CB, IOL, S.   Yes, we need a back up RB.  Yes, more WR depth and TE (not a great TE draft) depth but play to the strengths. G/C is a strength and with C a strength last year, a C may slip. 

Herbig, Opeta and Juriga are depth, Herbig might evolve into a starting RG.

The guy to watch is Toth, Army OL so you know he's undersized as a rookie.

Mailata, Dillard, Seumalo, Driscoll, Prince, and Brooks looks like he'll be back and Lane isn't old for an OL.

More than enough to put together a solid group in 2021 even without Kelce, Mailata - Driscoll - Seumalo - Brooks - Lane, with Dillard, Prince, Herbig and Toth on the bench.

So why I'm sure they'll take at least one OL, no reason to reach for one with so many other needs.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Tate’s just disgruntled because he’s not getting the ball enough. Wife trashed the team on twitter, and Tate is being a diva. 

On the surface I’d be inclined to agree with him; I think the 39-yard TD he scored against the Eagles was his only target of the game.  I think he had 2 catches in 3 targets against TB.

Having said that, it reinforces my concern with acquiring talent from losing organizations like Tate was — part of my bewilderment at the "get OBJ” crowd 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Herbig, Opeta and Juriga are depth, Herbig might evolve into a starting RG.

The guy to watch is Toth, Army OL so you know he's undersized as a rookie.

Mailata, Dillard, Seumalo, Driscoll, Prince, and Brooks looks like he'll be back and Lane isn't old for an OL.

More than enough to put together a solid group in 2021 even without Kelce , Mailata - Driscoll - Seumalo - Brooks - Lane, with Dillard, Prince, Herbig and Toth on the bench.

So why I'm sure they'll take at least one OL, no reason to reach for one with so many other needs.

While I support not going OL early, Lane and Brooks are huge question marks going forward.  I’d be surprised if the 2 of them ever start more than 8 games together in one season again.

Can’t wait for Oregon DUCKS FOOTBALL

Penn State is real good. 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Penn State is getting smoked. This Tagovailoa is probably better than the Dolphins version. 

I thought that as well watching him play.  I'm not a big fan of lefties at QB.

You can't look at the OL situation in a vacuum.  After Slay and McLeod, there are only replacement level or worse in the back seven.  IMO, CB is the priority  That being said, the OL situation appears to be dire because of availability this season.  

Start with OT.  Lane, Dillard, and Mailata look to be a solid group to work with next season.  Lane didn't properly deal with the ankle during the offseason.  I expect it to be resolved before 2021.  His athleticism is still there.  Although Dillard doesn't appear to be a first round talent, it doesn't mean he is a turnstile at the position.  And of course, the Golden Aussie will save us all from disaster.  

At IL, Kelce and Brooks are still question marks for next season.  But for now they are penciled in, along with Seumalo.  I am optimistic about Brooks playing next season.  Alternatives include Herbig, Driscoll, Pryror, Juriga, and Opeta.  I condiser Herbig to be a Wisniewski-level backup.  Driscoll, after time with Stoutland and in the weight room, may become starter-worthy.   Here is where I could easily see a 3rd or 4th round pick next draft.

With the options available and their faith in Stoutland, I just can't see an early pick at the expense of the back seven, which desperately needs more talent.