Just now, ManuManu said:

 

Hope so, if so we will have a very good chance to win. Right now it seems that the strategy for o line is throwing sheet against the wall and seeing what sticks

35 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Before organized gym like my kids had in elementary, recess was free time.   Eisenhower got concerned about fitness.  Carried over to Kennedy and then Johnson. Everyone got a ribbon (see awards):

The Old Program

Active Lifestyle Program - This award encourages both students and adults to include activity in their everyday lives.

Health Fitness Test - This award encourages students to achieve a healthy level of fitness, and is offered as an alternative to the traditional Physical Fitness Test. The Health Fitness Award is awarded to those who reach qualifying standards in each of five events: partial curl-ups, one-mile run/walk, v-sit (or sit and reach), right angle push-ups (or pull-ups, flexed-arm hang), and Body Mass Index.

Physical Fitness Test - This test promotes a basic level of fitness among students, through performances in five physical fitness tests: curl-ups or partial curl-ups, shuttle run, endurance run/walk, pull-ups (right angle push-ups, flexed-arm hang), and V-sit(sit and reach). Three awards were offered:

The Presidential Physical Fitness Award - which recognizes students who achieve an outstanding level of physical fitness (> 85th percentile).

The National Physical Fitness Award - for students who demonstrating a basic level of physical fitness (> 50th percentile).

The Participant Physical Fitness Award - to recognize the participation of other students (< 50th percentile on one or more events).

Presidential Champions Program - This award challenges students and adults to reach a high level of activity and fitness.

Original Test

The initial version of the Presidents Test from 1957 included pull-ups, sit-ups, the standing broad jump, the shuttle run, the 50-yard dash, the softball throw, and the 600-yard run. This was the foundation of the test for many years, though small changes to the program were made over time.

I don't remember the specifics, but I was of the age where I experienced the deterioration of those fitness tests.  You obviously know more about it than I do, but I am pretty sure those percentiles became performance thresholds that were increasingly lenient.

I distinctly remember being participant for a couple years (despite actually trying) and then suddenly being presidential every year after reaching the point of not caring.  They didn't want anyone going home dejected.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Listened to Fran and Cosell’s breakdown of the loss...

* Cosell believes the interception on the pass to Hightower was completely on Hightower, that he ran the route a couple of steps too far and then didn’t work back to the ball. He didn’t think Moreland jumped the route as much as Hightower failed.

This seems spot on to me.

* Cosell said an issue with Wentz is that he misses too many layups.

Not sure if he means bad throws to open guys while not under pressure or failing to find open guys, but both were a problem Sunday. 

* On a Ertz’s TD, he thought JJAW was actually the primary read. 

JJAW was being double covered. He beat his man but a safety was underneath him.

* Cox was not a factor. Malik Jackson was, and ate Wes Hills’ lunch.

* Driscoll was OK outside of mental busts but was pushed back into Wentz a decent amount.

Driscoll is only 300 pounds, if that. So this is going to be a problem. If he wants to be a solid RT, he has to add strength/weight. If they see him as a future center in the mold of Kelce, I think he is fine.

* Washington treated Ertz as the TE1, putting a safety or corner on him, while Goedert consistently was matched up with a LB.

 

44 minutes ago, RLC said:

We're going to beat the Rams this week and the talk will go from "#1 overall pick" to "SUPER BOWL!" very quickly.

I will be front row on that train!

25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

* Cox was not a factor. Malik Jackson was, and ate Wes Hills’ lunch.

I felt the same watching it live. It's possible that instead of getting rid of Jackson this off-season for almost no cap gain, we get rid of Fletcher (7M if cut, up to 16M if traded!).I didn't think this was a likely outcome, but a 20M cap hit to a player who is "fine" is not acceptable with Jackson/Hargrave on the roster.

Fletcher Cox is 29 (2012 draft). Malik Jackson is 30 (2012 draft). 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

I felt the same watching it live. It's possible that instead of getting rid of Jackson this off-season for almost no cap gain, we get rid of Fletcher (7M if cut, up to 16M if traded!).I didn't think this was a likely outcome, but a 20M cap hit to a player who is "fine" is not acceptable with Jackson/Hargrave on the roster.

Fletcher Cox is 29 (2012 draft). Malik Jackson is 30 (2012 draft). 

It's a net cap savings for 2021 vs keeping him, but it's also >$15m dead cap, which is abysmal.  

Paying >$15m just to part ways with a long-time Eagle great kind of telegraphs to the fans that you botched the cap, which was previously Howie's one unquestioned strength.

If we really need that relief, then you have to try to trade him for a 6 or 7 to get that 16M of relief with less dead cap.  

Just now, eagle45 said:

It's a net cap savings for 2021 vs keeping him, but it's also >$15m dead cap, which is abysmal.  

Paying >$15m just to part ways with a long-time Eagle great kind of telegraphs to the fans that you botched the cap, which was previously Howie's one unquestioned strength.

If we really need that relief, then you have to try to trade him for a 6 or 7 to get that 16M of relief with less dead cap.  

My biggest criticism of Howie is stealing from future cap years to pay for today. I don't mind for some players (Lane Johnson) who play premium positions and are core players. We simply did it with too many guys. 

The dilemma of players like Cox is this. If they play well; we won't want to trade them. If they don't play well, we'll have to release them at high cap hits as other teams won't want to acquire them. A Cox trade would create 16M in cap room with a 6M cap hit. That ratio is pretty typical...but I don't trust Howie at all to make the tough call to trade a player like this unless we're fully committing to a rebuild. 

31 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

you dont watch much football. When you smack the S*** out of a QB, no matter who he is, he sees ghost. Doesnt set his feet correctly, doesnt use his mechanics correctly wether the blitz was there or not.  Go watch how bad Rodgers looked against the 49ers just last year. Dude was lost. IMO top 3 of all time was seeing ghost and he(rodgers) got hit less than Wentz did on Sunday. (also see brady against the giants, twice). 

Go look at what Mcvey did with Goff against the Cowboys Sunday. 3 step drops. sometimes no drop. etc. If the Eagles/Doug did that the Eagles would of crushed them. 

 

We're going to look back in 5-7 weeks and realize this was an epic bad loss  because of coaching

Stop with the "don't watch football" crap it's infantile. That play was not on the call regardless of how you want to spin it. Don't bother replying we'll just decide to disagree.

- No pre-season.  Sunday was basically the team's 1st pre-season + regular season game combined.  They looked out of sync, etc etc.  

- We go through this with Wentz every year.  It always takes him some time to get up to peak performance.  He didn't have a running game or offensive line to help him get through one of his "down" games.

- Defense was also out of sync and played one of their "down games".  End result, we lose to Washington.

 

I'm not that concerned yet.  If we still look like this over the next 1-2 games, then I'll start being concerned, etc.

 

22 minutes ago, RLC said:

I felt the same watching it live. It's possible that instead of getting rid of Jackson this off-season for almost no cap gain, we get rid of Fletcher (7M if cut, up to 16M if traded!).I didn't think this was a likely outcome, but a 20M cap hit to a player who is "fine" is not acceptable with Jackson/Hargrave on the roster.

Fletcher Cox is 29 (2012 draft). Malik Jackson is 30 (2012 draft). 

Not saying it is, but possibly it's the reason for the Hargrave signing

If we are going to have these tough discussions about Cox, it's also necessary to think about what other players are encroaching upon a dangerous twilight territory...

There are 2 red flags with an aging player who still plays at a high level.  1 is that their mega contract exceeds their performance, even though they still have gas in the tank.  2 is that the team will not be highly competitive within the time frame that the player remains at a high level.

#1 applies to a lot of players on a team that is 3 years removed from a SB.  Graham, Cox, Brooks (yup, he belongs on this list), Barnett (as of now, he's the option is a go), Jeffery, Desean, Malik Jackson.  If Ertz gets extended, he'll be on the list too.  Every team has a couple of these contracts, but the Eagles have a LOT of them.  And should the Eagles decide to part ways with any of these guys, it will offer some cap savings, but they will also have many, many millions of dead useless cap.  None of these are clean cuts.

#2 requires some tough introspection as to the state of your/our team.  We won a SB in 2017, so it's been accepted as a given that the team is highly competitive and any players who are good NOW are a great investment here.  We'll see how this season plays out.  If things turn around, ignore this.  If they don't, some surprising names may need to be considered as trades to pick up assets.  This would basically apply to anyone over 29 or anyone who is a RB.  You can do the math on the names.

 

18 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Pretty sure Bucs closed the vet and won a superbowl against Oakland 

And opened linc with a loss for birds 

Not sure where you got confused 

Not to mention your reading comphrension is not the best ,you missed my whole point.

38 minutes ago, RLC said:

I felt the same watching it live. It's possible that instead of getting rid of Jackson this off-season for almost no cap gain, we get rid of Fletcher (7M if cut, up to 16M if traded!).I didn't think this was a likely outcome, but a 20M cap hit to a player who is "fine" is not acceptable with Jackson/Hargrave on the roster.

Fletcher Cox is 29 (2012 draft). Malik Jackson is 30 (2012 draft). 

I've been critical of Fletcher Cox for quite some time.  Yes, his impact on a game can't be measured by sacks and TFL's but to me that isn't worth $100 million.  Even in his prime I thought he was overpaid.  If anyone offers you anything in a trade I think you jump on it.  The Eagles seem to do just fine with their JAG DTs they always call upon.  Plus you're going to have Hargrave and in your scenario, hang on to Jackson.  

It sucks because they've been great Eagles but I'm ready to move on from Ertz, Cox, BG and JP.  I fully expect Kelce to retire this year.  Jeffrey helped with SB52 but it's time for him to be gone too.  I want new young hungry blood on the team, not aging players with declining skillsets who want to get paid not for what they can be but for what they were.  

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

That should be an immediate boost.  As poorly as Wentz played, had both Sanders and Johnson played this past Sunday, good chance we win that game. 

I really hope Brooks manages to play a full season in 2021.  2 achilles injuries...he'll be 32.  If Seumalo has to transition to center...we are looking at new LT, LG, C with only Brooks and Lane as the holdovers...neither of whom is anything remotely close to an ironman.

1 offseason is not enough to rebuild an OL, especially considering that we won't have any DE's in 2021 and our only WR will be Reagor in year 2.

Yikes Howie.  Yikes.  

7 hours ago, Damanick10 said:

It would be cool if Hurts ends up being awesome. I watched him at Bama and only a little at OU. His passing was meh but man could he run... not quite like Lamar Jackson but close. Maybe he has the ability to improve a lot with his passing.

Then why would we want him as a franchise QB?

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

If they aren't 100% then we're just hoping they don't get dinged up even more and miss more time

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He's admitted being Beast.  Maybe he didn't want to use his old sign-on because he was BANNED on the old board for being a TROLL.  Yet.....

joy

HELmut 

 

25 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

- No pre-season.  Sunday was basically the team's 1st pre-season + regular season game combined.  They looked out of sync, etc etc.  

This is true of every team

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've been critical of Fletcher Cox for quite some time.  Yes, his impact on a game can't be measured by sacks and TFL's but to me that isn't worth $100 million.  Even in his prime I thought he was overpaid.  If anyone offers you anything in a trade I think you jump on it.  The Eagles seem to do just fine with their JAG DTs they always call upon.  Plus you're going to have Hargrave and in your scenario, hang on to Jackson.  

It sucks because they've been great Eagles but I'm ready to move on from Ertz, Cox, BG and JP.  I fully expect Kelce to retire this year.  Jeffrey helped with SB52 but it's time for him to be gone too.  I want new young hungry blood on the team, not aging players with declining skillsets who want to get paid not for what they can be but for what they were.  

Fletcher Cox in his prime was a game-wrecker. He was awesome from 2014-2017. His play dipped the past 2 seasons, with the occasional dominating performance.

This does seem like a last-hurrah year. We'll see how much Ertz, Cox, BG, JP, etc. have left. 

43 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It's a net cap savings for 2021 vs keeping him, but it's also >$15m dead cap, which is abysmal.  

Paying >$15m just to part ways with a long-time Eagle great kind of telegraphs to the fans that you botched the cap, which was previously Howie's one unquestioned strength.

If we really need that relief, then you have to try to trade him for a 6 or 7 to get that 16M of relief with less dead cap.  

"Botched the cap" is a little strong. I agree with many of your points, but Howie could not possibly have anticipated the cap decreasing by $20 million in 2021. 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He's admitted being Beast.  Maybe he didn't want to use his old sign-on because he was BANNED on the old board for being a TROLL.  Yet.....

They let banned people from the old board back except serious cases. Trolling isn’t serious

Kind of digging the Browns Bengals Thursday Night game. This game hasn't meant anything since Boomer vs Sipe. Noyce. 

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He's admitted being Beast.  Maybe he didn't want to use his old sign-on because he was BANNED on the old board for being a TROLL.  Yet.....

Yeah we should definitely re-ban

Just now, Saltpeter said:

"Botched the cap" is a little strong. I agree with many of your points, but Howie could not possibly have anticipated the cap decreasing by $20 million in 2021. 

How much worse does the cap get than cutting a franchise great who is still a good player so that you can save cap space while also enduring a huge hit of dead cap?  If that's not botching the cap, then I'm not sure what is.