Zero percent chance that Wentz retires, hes not like Luck at all that way

Luck is a coddled baby compared to Wentz, Wentz is a football player through and through

50 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A. His name is McVay. Seeing the back and forth arguments is like reading about someone complaining about Jeff Laurie. 

B. Jeff Laurie is a fine owner. Complaining about him is nit picking.

There is irony here, either intentionally or inadvertently. 

48 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Thats where I disagree. 

People are scared Sh!tless to put there name any where, or give there voting information to anyone... In my opinion. 

Pollsters don't ask for names and voting information is all a matter of public record.  This includes party affiliation and the number of times you have voted in elections.  

49 minutes ago, greend said:

Why do you guys argue with Mr. Rooney all the time?

Because I am stupid.  Normally I don't.   But today, I was weak.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There is irony here, either intentionally or inadvertently. 

I thought I set it up nicely.

9 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Kind of makes one wonder doesn't it. Those who answer the phones and take the polls? Just a guess, those are also more likely to vote for higher oil/fuel prices (which affects the cost of everything else you buy) and paying higher taxes? I know CVON. I'm done, I'll show myself out. 

Fracking is not profitable at the current price for WTI (West Texas Intermediate crude).  Needs to be over $60 a barrel.  My oil stocks have plummeted.   Whiting, the huge producer in the Bakken shale went into bankruptcy reorganization early this year.  Exxon/Mobil stock is down close to 60% over the last three years.  Even Chevron is down.   This was all before the pandemic hit and more companies discovered telecommuting works.  Cheap oil is running out.  My dad was telling me that at the dinner table in the early seventies and he made a living discovering new oil fields.  I remember him showing me a facility in CO in the sixties, IIRC, that was experimenting with shale oil extraction.  Unsuccessful at that time because of the cost. Even for folks that doubt climate change is impacted by fossil fuels, clean (translates to cheap) energy is the future.  Now with cars costing so much and being more reliable, the current cars are going to be around for another decade or two.  That is simple economics.  But the electric car fueled by solar and wind generated electricity is coming.  BTW, my sister drives an electric car and has solar panels on her house.  Her energy bill is $26 a month in the middle of summer.  That’s cheaper in the long run than oil. I am heartened by Ford, Chevy, Chrysler and Tesla and their focus on developing electric cars.  It is a manufacturing future for America.  

20 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Zero percent chance that Wentz retires, hes not like Luck at all that way

Luck is a coddled baby compared to Wentz, Wentz is a football player through and through

I disagree with that on Luck. He was a tough dude. Sacked 40 times his rookie year, battled injuries, played through a torn labrum, and probably would have been a Hall of Famer if he played out a full career. I don't knock guys for retiring early. Injuries do that to some guys and if they want to be able to walk when they're in their 50s and 60s, I don't have an issue with that. It sucks for the fans, but I get it on a personal level. 

18 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Zero percent chance that Wentz retires, hes not like Luck at all that way

Luck is a coddled baby compared to Wentz, Wentz is a football player through and through

I agree, unless injury forces him to.

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Pollsters don't ask for names and voting information is all a matter of public record.  This includes party affiliation and the number of times you have voted in elections.  

Before I hung up my running for office, I used to get the list of registered voters from my local party representative so that I knew who to solicit signatures for my petition from for the primaries. It also revealed who are "super voters” and who only vote in the presidential election.  My candidacy was off year, so I had to focus on super voters.  

22 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Was an interesting read

 

Yup.  He's not processing at the same level.

I am not dismissing the concussion from last year.  Or possibly just not trusting his OL or WRs.

We'll be able to better gauge when more guys return to the lineup.

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Fracking is not profitable at the current price for WTI (West Texas Intermediate crude).  Needs to be over $60 a barrel.  My oil stocks have plummeted.   Whiting, the huge producer in the Bakken shale went into bankruptcy reorganization early this year.  Exxon/Mobil stock is down close to 60% over the last three years.  Even Chevron is down.   This was all before the pandemic hit and more companies discovered telecommuting works.  Cheap oil is running out.  My dad was telling me that at the dinner table in the early seventies and he made a living discovering new oil fields.  I remember him showing me a facility in CO in the sixties, IIRC, that was experimenting with shale oil extraction.  Unsuccessful at that time because of the cost. Even for folks that doubt climate change is impacted by fossil fuels, clean (translates to cheap) energy is the future.  Now with cars costing so much and being more reliable, the current cars are going to be around for another decade or two.  That is simple economics.  But the electric car fueled by solar and wind generated electricity is coming.  BTW, my sister drives an electric car and has solar panels on her house.  Her energy bill is $26 a month in the middle of summer.  That’s cheaper in the long run than oil. I am heartened by Ford, Chevy, Chrysler and Tesla and their focus on developing electric cars.  It is a manufacturing future for America.  

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

Doug/Foles average 21 points a game together(21.8)

Offense had flow. Wentz offense is drive to drive, pull your hair out nonsense. Even when he isn't commiting inexcusable turnovers, offense is still trash 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Flajole is a problem

Sounds like "Mack Hollins lines up well for us" all over again.

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Fracking is not profitable at the current price for WTI (West Texas Intermediate crude).  Needs to be over $60 a barrel.  My oil stocks have plummeted.   Whiting, the huge producer in the Bakken shale went into bankruptcy reorganization early this year.  Exxon/Mobil stock is down close to 60% over the last three years.  Even Chevron is down.   This was all before the pandemic hit and more companies discovered telecommuting works.  Cheap oil is running out.  My dad was telling me that at the dinner table in the early seventies and he made a living discovering new oil fields.  I remember him showing me a facility in CO in the sixties, IIRC, that was experimenting with shale oil extraction.  Unsuccessful at that time because of the cost. Even for folks that doubt climate change is impacted by fossil fuels, clean (translates to cheap) energy is the future.  Now with cars costing so much and being more reliable, the current cars are going to be around for another decade or two.  That is simple economics.  But the electric car fueled by solar and wind generated electricity is coming.  BTW, my sister drives an electric car and has solar panels on her house.  Her energy bill is $26 a month in the middle of summer.  That’s cheaper in the long run than oil. I am heartened by Ford, Chevy, Chrysler and Tesla and their focus on developing electric cars.  It is a manufacturing future for America.  

It has to happen organically, When green energy becomes cheaper, thats when we will shift to it. We are not there as of yet. And if you think fossil fuels are limited, wait till you find out about the Lithium they use in the Batteries. I am all for green energy, it just has to make sense. 

The cost of oil/fuels will go up, but at a much higher rate the minute you remove our energy independence and start having to rely overseas for our supply. We have been down that road. It was only been during this decade that we became energy independent. I lived through the 70's 

My father in law spent $50K+ putting in solar panels 10 years ago. He got some tax breaks for a while, but the Government removed those a while back, which lengthened his ROI.  It was supposed to be 15 years.  Now his ROI is figuring to be at about 22 years, at which point, his system will need updating. Nothing is free. 

For now, the world still moves on Oil, everything, food, clothing, all products moved by fossil fuels, when the cost of OIl/Gas go up, so does the cost of all goods and services. Yeah the future is green, but we live in the present and will continue to do so for the next 5-10 years+ 

Just now, metal said:

Sounds like "Mack Hollins lines up well for us" all over again.

Yup

If that's all he gives, then make him a coach

18 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Yup.  He's not processing at the same level.

I am not dismissing the concussion from last year.  Or possibly just not trusting his OL or WRs.

We'll be able to better gauge when more guys return to the lineup.

I go with the bolded, because  when he does trust them Like Fulgham, he is the 2017 Wentz

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

Can you explain the extreme drop off after Reich left? 

The only plausible explanation is that Reich was the greatest coach ever, and that massive injuries across the entire offensive unit over the past three seasons has nothing to do with anything. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Biggest drop off in my opinion to Doug's offense is the screen game. Which can be partly attributed to the injuries at OL. Screens take timing and having so many guys in and out of the lineup are going to negatively impact the screen game. Screens are easy yards for qbs. Mcnabbs numbers are inflated by the number of tds and pass yards he got from screens and shovel passes.

Speaking of shovel pass had doug ever run one???

Mahomes has 6 tds off screens this year. Wentz longest play on a screen this year I believe is 7 yards and no tds to go with a ton of lost yards on screen plays.

If the o line can get some continuity then doug can help Wentz out with the screen game, if doug still doesn't call screens or he does and they suck then that's Doug's failure as a coach.

 

Screens require OL who can run. At this point we have two - Kelce and Mailata. On another note, I have preached for years that you pass with tackles and run with guards, all the more so with the outside zone, which for several years has been our bread and butter. We can't run it because Herbig and Pryor can't run. Herbig ran a 5.41 40. Pryor ran a 5.6. Kelce, by contrast ran a 4.89. Opeta can run (5.01) but is still raw. Going further with our run game, anyone who thinks we don't have creativity there simply (1) doesn't understand the run game and (2) can't see what Stoutland is trying to do with his OL. There is no better OL coach in the game but even he can't get players to move who can't. Only an idiot would ask his players to run plays they can't...run. Brandon Brooks ran a sub-5.0 40. Seumalo was slightly over 5. With those two guys and Kelce our OZ was formidable. Without them, not so much.

A word on creativity in play design: IIRC, we did run an OZ against Dallas to open our first drive. We did it by lining up three (3) TEs on one side. If the OL can't get out there, try someone else. I wouldn't describe that play design as unimaginative. I could go on but I won't. Invincible ignorance is, well, invincible.

45 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Yup.  He's not processing at the same level.

I am not dismissing the concussion from last year.  Or possibly just not trusting his OL or WRs.

We'll be able to better gauge when more guys return to the lineup.

Interception luck ran out.  Cycling of WRs is an issue.   He trusts Ward and Fulgham.    He will get there with Reagor.  He doesn’t trust JJAW (why would he) and he doesn’t trust Hightower.  I think Hightower may not trust himself at this point.  He should not be playing Z, he should be playing in the slot.   Reagor is who they need in the screen game and Scott.  Maybe some Watkins.   I do wonder about the impact of down and distance.  The lack of an interior running game is a huge difference between 2017:and 2020.  

3 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

The only plausible explanation is that Reich was the greatest coach ever, and that massive injuries across the entire offensive unit over the past three seasons has nothing to do with anything. 

It is a fact Frank Reich taught Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh everything they know.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Was an interesting read

 

Outstanding article for anyone that has the athletic

So what have been the biggest differences in his play from 2017?

There’s the obvious and the less obvious. Let’s start with the latter: He’s reacting poorly to pressure.

In 2017, Wentz’s ability to maneuver in the pocket was elite. I remember thinking he reminded me of Andrew Luck. Wentz had mastered the art of making those subtle movements to create an extra half-second or just enough space to find receivers downfield. He was comfortable. The internal clock that coaches always talk about was functioning at a high level. There were so many examples on the film of Wentz releasing the ball for a completion just as he was about to get hit.

Three years later, that internal clock is a mess. Wentz doesn’t have the same feel in the pocket. He tries to extend plays when he shouldn’t. He takes sacks when he doesn’t need to. He generally looks uncomfortable and jittery.

The numbers back up the film when it comes to how Wentz has handled pressure. Below is a look at how often he has produced a successful play (EPA) when pressured versus not pressured.

Wentz: Pressured vs. not pressured

	PRESSURED	NOT PRESSURED
2017	39.7%	56.8%
2018	39.3%	61.6%
2019	38.5%	56.8%
2020	25.8%	55%

Notice that his numbers when not pressured have been similar. But Wentz’s performance when pressured has plummeted. He’s produced a positive play just 25.8 percent of the time when pressured, which ranks 31st out of 32 qualifying quarterbacks. In 2017, he was at 39.7 percent, which ranked fourth.

There are a number of factors at play here. One is that the Eagles offensive line has been decimated by injuries. It’s natural for even Hall of Fame-level quarterbacks to get jittery in the pocket when they don’t trust their protection.

But the other factor pertains to Wentz’s overall health and athleticism. On film, Wentz’s movements were more sudden and twitchy in 2017. He was able to evade defenders with quick changes of direction and looked like a fluid athlete. But Wentz suffered the knee injury in 2017 and a back injury in 2018. He doesn’t look like the same type of athlete anymore.

What’s interesting is that Wentz’s top speed (10.78 mph) is faster this year than it was in 2017 (9.19 mph), according to Next Gen Stats. When he’s taking off in a straight line, he’s faster than he was as a rookie. But when it comes to quickness, change of direction and the movements that made him so good at navigating the pocket in 2017, he has not looked like the same player. It’s possible that part of his game won’t come back even if he trusts his protection, just because he’s not the same physically.

OK, what are the other issues?

The other two that stand out are more obvious: accuracy and negative plays. Wentz ranks 31st in interception percentage and 33rd in sack percentage. He’s tied for the third-most fumbles.

Wentz’s completion percentage ranks 32nd out of 33 qualifying quarterbacks, ahead of only Drew Lock. Next Gen Stats tracks completion percentage above expectation. It looks at where each pass is thrown, how close the nearest defender is, whether the quarterback is pressured and other factors to come up with an expected completion percentage. Then it measures whether each quarterback is exceeding that expectation or falling short. Wentz’s completion percentage above expectation is negative-3.6 percent, which is 33rd out of 37 quarterbacks. In 2017, Wentz ranked ninth.

Completion percentage above expectation doesn’t account for drops. Sports Info Solutions tracks on-target throws, which focuses just on the quarterback’s passes and not whether each pass is completed. The numbers still reflect a decline in accuracy. Wentz was at 81 percent in 2017, 80.8 percent in 2018, 75.7 percent in 2019, and now is all the way down to 69.3 percent, which ranks last out of 33 qualifying quarterbacks.

I am not a quarterback guru, but it’s clear Wentz’s mechanics are a mess. He’s producing the lowest percentage of on-target throws in the league. This is a difference that really stands out when the 2017 film is viewed. Wentz still had misses back then, but his ball placement was so much better that season than it is now.

Are the accuracy issues in any one specific area?

To answer this question, I divided Wentz’s throws into three categories. Short is 5 yards or less. Intermediate is 6 to 19 yards from the line of scrimmage. And deep is 20 or more air yards.

Wentz's accuracy by distance

	SHORT	INTERMEDIATE	DEEP
2017	84.0%	87.2%	54.7%
2018	88.5%	79.6%	51.2%
2019	83.3%	70.8%	57.6%
2020	77.3%	68.8%	40.0%

The numbers are ugly across the board, but the biggest difference between 2017 and 2020 has been on intermediate throws. In 2017, Wentz was on-target with more intermediate throws than any starter. This year, he ranks 23rd.

Another thing that stands out: The Eagles are getting nothing out of their short passing game. Wentz is averaging 4.0 YPA on short passes, which ranks 33rd out of 34 qualifying quarterbacks. But interestingly, the Eagles weren’t great on those throws in 2017, either, as Wentz averaged 4.4 YPA on short passes that season.

This year, Wentz is throwing short significantly more than he did in 2017, and he’s attempting fewer intermediate throws.

18 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I go with the bolded, because  when he does trust them Like Fulgham, he is the 2017 Wentz

This will sound like an excuse... but let's play a fun game... "Who's Wentz throwing to?"

2016 - 11 (technically all new to him)
WR: Nelson Agholor, Jordan Matthews, Dorial Green-Beckham, Bryce Treggs, Paul Turner
RB: Darren Sproles, Byron Marshall, Wendell Smallwood
TE: Brett Celek, Zach Ertz, Trey Burton

2017 - 15 (9 brand new names)
WR: Nelson Agholor, Alshon Jeffery, Torrey Smith, Mack Hollins, Marcus Johnson, Shelton Gibson
RB: LaGarrette Blount, Darren Sproles, Corey Clement, Kenyon Barner, Jay Ajayi, Wendell Smallwood
TE: Brett Celek, Zach Ertz, Trey Burton 

2018 - 13 (6 new names)
WR: Alshon Jeffery, Nelson Agholor, Mike Wallace, Shelton Gibson, Jordan Matthews, Golden Tate
RB: Darren Sproles, Josh Adams, Boston Scott, Wendell Smallwood
TE: Zach Ertz, Dallas Goedert, Richard Rodgers

2019 - 16 (10 new names)
WR: Desean Jackson, Nelson Agholor, Alshon Jeffery, JJAW, Deontay Burnett, Greg Ward, Robert Davis, Shelton Gibson
RB: Jordan Howard, Miles Sanders, Boston Scott, Elijah Holyfield
TE: Zach Ertz, Dallas Goedert, Josh Perkins, Richard Rodgers

2020 - 16 (8 new names)
WR: Desean Jackson, JJAW, Jalen Reagor, John Hightower, Quez Watkins, Travis Fulgham
RB: Boston Scott, Miles Sanders, Corey Clement, Adrian Killins, Jason Huntley
TE: Zach Ertz, Dallas Goedert, Richard Rodgers, Jeremy Croom, Hakeem Butler

 

So... in 5 seasons (4.5 really) that's 44 players that he's had changed around him.... He's averaging over 8 new 'skill position' players around him every year.  And only 1 player has been here all 5 of those seasons... Zach Ertz.  And people wonder why he was getting targeted so much.  Agholor was there for 4 of them... but, was he really there in 2016, 2018, and 2019?  He was there sometimes... and not there at others.   

 

We could play a similar game with OL, but I'll leave that for others.   It's really from 2018-current that that's the story.  2016 and 2017, the OL was pretty static. Johnson missed a bunch of games in 2016.  Peters missed a bunch down the stretch in 2017. 

 

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Screens require OL who can run. At this point we have two - Kelce and Mailata. On another note, I have preached for years that you pass with tackles and run with guards, all the more so with the outside zone, which for several years has been our bread and butter. We can't run it because Herbig and Pryor can't run. Herbig ran a 5.41 40. Pryor ran a 5.6. Kelce, by contrast ran a 4.89. Opeta can run (5.01) but is still raw. Going further with our run game, anyone who thinks we don't have creativity there simply (1) doesn't understand the run game and (2) can't see what Stoutland is trying to do with his OL. There is no better OL coach in the game but even he can't get players to move who can't. Only an idiot would ask his players to run plays they can't...run. Brandon Brooks ran a sub-5.0 40. Seumalo was slightly over 5. With those two guys and Kelce our OZ was formidable. Without them, not so much.

A word on creativity in play design: IIRC, we did run an OZ against Dallas to open our first drive. We did it by lining up three (3) TEs on one side. If the OL can't get out there, try someone else. I wouldn't describe that play design as unimaginative. I could go on but I won't. Invincible ignorance is, well, invincible.

Please share more.   I usually learn something new when you post about OL. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It is a fact Frank Reich taught Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh everything they know.

I think that Paul Brown was likely in the back of the classroom somewhere.

Another part of that article in the Athletic, not to take anything away from the issues with Wentz.... but the talk of the lack of screen game is called out by Sheil.  The numbers are staggering....

What criticism do the coaches and organization deserve?

A few things stand out here. One is how often the Eagles have missed on wide receivers. The J.J. Arcega-Whiteside second-round selection in 2019 has given them nothing. They signed Mike Wallace in 2018 and traded for DeSean Jackson in 2019. Those two have produced a total of 314 yards in three seasons. The Eagles had opportunities to sign guys like John Brown and Robby Anderson but passed. They could’ve traded for guys like DeAndre Hopkins and Stefon Diggs but opted to go in different directions. And the results have been ugly. From 2018 to 2019, Eagles wide receivers ranked 30th in total yards and yards per reception. Last season, they had arguably the worst group of wide receivers in the NFL. However, there should suddenly be optimism with this group, given Travis Fulgham’s emergence and Jalen Reagor’s return from injury.

The organization’s decision to shift to 12 personnel following the 2017 season remains baffling. In 2017, the Eagles were in 11 personnel on 67.5 percent of Wentz’s dropbacks. That worked out pretty well. Last year, that rate dropped to 41.9 percent, in part because of injuries. It has rebounded to 57 percent this year but is still well below what it was during the Super Bowl season.

The organization has also tried and failed to replicate the synergy of the 2017 coaching staff. After last season’s struggles, owner Jeffrey Lurie and Roseman wanted head coach Doug Pederson to change up his staff and bring on coaches with new ideas. That led to the additions of Rich Scangarello, Marty Mornhinweg and others. The result has been a disjointed offense without an identity. As mentioned above, Wentz too often looks like an unsure quarterback without any answers.

Scangarello was supposed to help the Eagles with their play-action passing game. Know what’s been a disaster this season? The play-action passing game! Wentz has produced a positive result (EPA) on 36 percent of his play-action passes. That ranks last among the 35 quarterbacks with at least 25 play-action snaps. He’s also last in YPA (5.1). The Eagles are literally the worst play-action team in the league.

The screen game has also been a disaster. Wentz is averaging 2.4 YPA on screens to running backs and tight ends, which ranks last among the 24 quarterbacks who have attempted at least 10. The Eagles are on pace for just 76 yards on screens to running backs and tight ends. Last year, those plays produced a whopping 399 yards — second in the NFL.

In many ways, the Eagles have looked like a reactionary franchise. They were slow last season, so they drafted three fast receivers this year. They saw Kyle Shanahan have success with his scheme in 2019, so they hired someone who had worked with him (Scangarello). The lack of a coherent plan has not done Wentz any favors.