20 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You almost have to ignore what Doug says or how he says it. He’s so bad at press conferences. 

If I had to translate, I think he meant they ran the ball so poorly on first down and they took so many sacks that they weren’t able to get the play action/boot action game going. We were in second and third and long all day it seems. 

But...you can still roll the pocket or get Wentz outside the pocket

it doesn’t make sense.  He just told all of our opponents that unless we’re in short yardage, we’re not likely to move Wentz out of his spot

 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Not sure why you constantly go after Pete Carroll -- the HC hierarchy in the NFL is Belichick, Reid, Carroll, Payton and Harbaugh -- there isn't even a real debate to be had.

Because Pete Carroll has consistently lowered the ceiling of his team every year since they lost the SB to NE. He’s lucky Wilson bails him out in the fourth quarter so often, and it only happens because they have no choice but to let him pass. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

I agree but there's no reason they couldn't roll him out to pass on first down.  Also, the data doesn't support that running the ball effectively helps play action.  

You don’t have to tell me that!

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

But...you can still roll the pocket or get Wentz outside the pocket

it doesn’t make sense.  He just told all of our opponents that unless we’re in short yardage, we’re not likely to move Wentz out of his spot

 

Oh, I’m not defending Doug. Just translating. 

One other thing that's concerning is the lack of in game adjustments. Washington did a good job of adjusting after the first few series and we didn't. That's been another consistent theme under Pedersons tenure IMO.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

All I’m saying is that Doug didn’t put the team in the best position to win

 

you can say "if this” or "if that” but the game shouldn’t have come down to one or two plays

We had the longest passes, deepest drops; and most sacks allowed in week1.

and that is with the knowledge that our OL was banged up and the Skins’ strength was their DL.  Stupid

So Doug makes a call where Reagor, the first read, does an intermediate dig.  He maybe runs it at the wrong depth, so the LB has some leverage underneath.  Now Carson has two choices, throw the backside post or hit the TE on the shallow button hook.  He, of course, is inclined the push the ball downfield.

Where did Doug fail in play calling?  

Cosell’s comments that I mentioned earlier. 

9 minutes ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

I don't know maybe Scangarello since he's the "Senior Offensive Assistant" or one of the other 5 guys that are supposed to be involved with the offensive game plan. 

I'm sure he does but you can only change to certain plays using the same personnel you have out there. It's not like he can go to some completely different scheme during a play.

Are we sure that Doug doesn't take advice from any of those guys on what play to call?  I mean, he literally took Foles' advice on the Philly Special during the Super Bowl.

Doesn't Wentz have the same amount of "input" on certain plays? etc?  If not, maybe they should get more input from Wentz, etc.

5 minutes ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

 

Agreed but that happens every game here, at least since I've been coming here. I thing they will rebound but it's going to be a work in progress at least for a few games here.

I think this is the most logical conclusion.  Let's see what happens over the next 2 games or so and go from there, imo.

 

20 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Who would you have call the plays?

And isn’t a large part of the Eagles offense predicated on the QB and how he reads the defense?   For example, Wentz has options once he sees the defensive formation, no? 

Well everyone is pounding the table for Duce to be an OC or a HC.  Let's see what he's got.  Prove to us that you deserve that next step in your coaching career.

2 minutes ago, EaglesfanfromND said:

One other thing that's concerning is the lack of in game adjustments. Washington did a good job of adjusting after the first few series and we didn't. That's been another consistent theme under Pedersons tenure IMO.

Recency bias.

We were top-10 in both 3rd quarter and 2nd half points scored last year.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Also, the data doesn't support that running the ball effectively helps play action.  

If the two teams listed below run play action, which defensive line is gonna just ignore the fake and pin their ears back and go for the QB.

Football team, 36 runs 31 passes

Eagles, 17 runs 42 passes

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cosell’s comments that I mentioned earlier. 

I said this Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.  Reagor slowed down at the break in the route.

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I think this is the most logical conclusion.  Let's see what happens over the next 2 games or so and go from there, imo.

Yup.

Wish we could get the Blog conversation after the KC game in 2017.

11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

All I’m saying is that Doug didn’t put the team in the best position to win

 

you can say "if this” or "if that” but the game shouldn’t have come down to one or two plays

We had the longest passes, deepest drops; and most sacks allowed in week1.

and that is with the knowledge that our OL was banged up and the Skins’ strength was their DL.  Stupid

I agree with this. Doug and co knew the o line was banged up knew wash d line was really good and instead of game planning for that game planned to drop back 40 times and call long developing deep passes. 1 roll out the whole game against great d front ran the ball 17 times in a game they led by 17. Just stupid play calling stupid game plan.

Not sure I've seen as poorly called game other than when Reid threw the ball 60 times in a hurricane in cincinnati 🤔

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I like those responses from both of them.  

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

If the two teams listed below run play action, which defensive line is gonna just ignore the fake and pin their ears back and go for the QB.

Football team, 36 runs 31 passes

Eagles, 17 runs 42 passes

Trick question. They both honor the play action. 

43 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

For all of us saying move Carson out of the pocket, here's DP at his best

 

I think the evidence is mounting to some sort of lingering groin injury, or even worse, a sports hernia. Coincidentally, McNabb also got hit with a sports hernia in the same season after he added extra weight on his frame.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Trick question. They both honor the play action. 

No one honors our play action if we are pass, pass, pass.

9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So Doug makes a call where Reagor, the first read, does an intermediate dig.  He maybe runs it at the wrong depth, so the LB has some leverage underneath.  Now Carson has two choices, throw the backside post or hit the TE on the shallow button hook.  He, of course, is inclined the push the ball downfield.

Where did Doug fail in play calling?  

Are you asking me to approve a hypothetical play call?

 

look at my post again—deepest drops, longest passes, most sacks

how can anyone defend that?   
 

Someone posted a tweet that said Doug called plays like a madden game, just keep dropping back and chucking it.

he should have worked in more runs and more short/intermediate routes.  You have to consider game situations and momentum in play calling

 

 

 

and one final point:  if Doug is concerned with Wentz’ not throwing balls away, shouldn’t he make it easier on Wentz to do so by getting him outside the pocket??
 Instead of Wenz having to scramble for his life to get outside the box, design a play that puts him there

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Are we sure that Doug doesn't take advice from any of those guys on what play to call?  I mean, he literally took Foles' advice on the Philly Special during the Super Bowl.

Doesn't Wentz have the same amount of "input" on certain plays? etc?  If not, maybe they should get more input from Wentz, etc.

I think this is the most logical conclusion.  Let's see what happens over the next 2 games or so and go from there, imo.

 

Doug needs to provide advice too and know when his QB isn't throwing well.  

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

If the two teams listed below run play action, which defensive line is gonna just ignore the fake and pin their ears back and go for the QB.

Football team, 36 runs 31 passes

Eagles, 17 runs 42 passes

Not really.  Depends on game situation more than past success.

In a relatively close game, LBs are still going to react to their keys, regardless YPC.  

Just now, downundermike said:

No one honors our play action if we are pass, pass, pass.

and no one honors play action at the risk of Clement or Boston Scott hurting them in the run game.

Just now, downundermike said:

No one honors our play action if we are pass, pass, pass.

Statistically running the ball has no impact on the effectiveness of play action.  

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Are we sure that Doug doesn't take advice from any of those guys on what play to call?  I mean, he literally took Foles' advice on the Philly Special during the Super Bowl.

Doesn't Wentz have the same amount of "input" on certain plays? etc?  If not, maybe they should get more input from Wentz, etc.

I think this is the most logical conclusion.  Let's see what happens over the next 2 games or so and go from there, imo.

 

I'm sure he does but as a QB you can't during a series unless there's a TO like Foles did with the Philly special. 

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Recency bias.

We were top-10 in both 3rd quarter and 2nd half points scored last year.

To be fair, he said "tenure" and you singled out last year. It would be better to evaluate how we rank in those categories in prior years as well.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

No one honors our play action if we are pass, pass, pass.

That’s false. Every single defender has to read keys, flow with the OL, etc. They aren’t ignoring all of that and assuming we’re passing.