Michael Warren STILL isn't listed on the PS despite being at practice

Doug didn’t make it sound like Hargrave had much chance to play this week, even if he is practicing for the first time.

That’s going to make it 64/64 games healthy with Steelers, 0/2 with the Eagles.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Dougs pressers are a complete waste of time and tweets

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Doug didn’t make it sound like Hargrave had much chance to play this week, even if he is practicing for the first time.

That’s going to make it 64/64 games healthy with Steelers, 0/2 with the Eagles.

We are still on brand.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

LOL thinking that 85% is far off from what we saw on sunday and calling it "exaggerated" lol

the Pass/Run had to be mid 70s sunday

Considering our pass-run ratio was skewed because we passed on 8 of our last 9 plays because we were trailing late in the game, yes, 10 percent is a giant exaggeration on this case. 

Regardless, I’d like to see all the games in NFL history with an 85:15 ratio. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Michael Warren STILL isn't listed on the PS despite being at practice

Maybe he hasn’t warrented it..... 

30 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Correlation doesn't equal causation no? If the above were true why do defenders sometime react more strongly to play action than other times. Why do LBs sometimes get sucked in and other times not. Is it just a fluke? 

I don't think this is a phenomenon that can be explained with stats, I think amore effective way would be to ask the players why they reacted the way they did in different situations.

For instance if an O has a 3rd and 1, defense may bite harder on the run than they would on a 3 and 9 whether the O has passed 50 straight times.

I think it comes down more to situations that aren't taken into account of extrapolating the stats.

Common football convention says that if one runs the ball 7 times in a row then calls a play action that that play action pass has a higher chance of being more effective than if one threw the ball 7 times in a row then called a play action no? 

Now in today's game where the run game is an after thought as teams sling the ball 50 times a game maybe it doesn't matter anymore which would be me being stuck in football of the past.

Either way while I can appreciate the stat analysis I don't think like most stats they explain the whole pic.

Of course not, but the causal relationship being implied is the one between establishing a running game and its resultant effects on the effectiveness of play action passes. The null hypothesis here is that there is no causal relationship between the two, thus the need to prove it exists lies on those that argue there still is one despite a dearth of non-anecdotal evidence indicating as much.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Statistically running the ball has no impact on the effectiveness of play action.  

This is once instance where I would say the data is either wrong or just misleading. First, play action is now over used which probably leads to it not being affected by the quality of the run game. But ...

Scenario

Team A has a poor run game and has pass / run ratio of 60 / 40. Team B has a good run game and ratio of 50 / 50. Going into a game team A is going to have a game plan with at least some focus toward stopping team B on the ground. Where as team B will be less focused on Team A's ground game.  Through out the game both teams have used play action a fair amount, a normal amount IE somewhat conservatively. Late in the game Team B has a TD lead and the ball and has been killing team A on the ground all game. At this point play action is going to be very effective - Team A was focused on stopping the run coming into the game and now they really need a stop. They're already loading the box and using a lot of zone (it's important to note that not all QBs are equal at selling play action - some just go through the motions while others have developed it as an art) but now when the QB turns to hand the ball off the LBers who are already crowding the LOS are going to bite hard toward the run and that will leave a gaping whole in the short to intermediate zone.

 

If team A has been struggling to run the ball as per usual and has a scoreboard deficit, Team B is likely to ignore the play action.

 

2 examples.

I don't remember the exact game but

1 vs the Saints 2005 - 2007ish - The Saints game plan was to move their LBers out wide leaving a huge hole in the middle of their defense. They did this, as Sean Payton would explain later, to take away the screens, wheel and flat routes to Brian Westbrook. They also all but ignored play action because statistically AR wouldn't run the ball. From early in the game and for the entire game run plays for Westbrook up the middle gained 8 to 12 yards, yet there were 6 or less of them. AR kept calling screens, wheels and flats to Westbrook and they kept getting shut down for little or no gain or losses. AR also used PA frequently - wasted effort. The Eagles lost that game ugly.

2005 week 7 vs Chargers. Coming into this game Ladanian Tomlinson had been destroying teams running the ball. The Eagles D on the other hand were giving up huge running games to average running backs. Questions were asked how the Eagles could possibly hope to slow Tomlinson down - jokes were made that he might run for 1000 in this game alone. He didn't, 17 for 7. But playing action worked. The Eagles were so focused on stopping LT that they would bite when ever there was a hint of handing the ball to him. Since San Diego's offense ran through LT Drew Brees didn't have his best day either - but play action worked.

 

 

If Hargrave has never practiced with the team, doesn’t that make this a non-football injury?

Just saying, if the players can bend the team over for more money, it goes both ways if our new pricey FA never shows up and misses half the season.

Over/under 3 players with positive Covid tests before this week’s games

I’m not sure criticizing play action or the Eagles running the ball more (when it didn’t seem to be working) is the primary area to be concerned about.  I can think of a half dozen things that need to be improved over the next few weeks over that, imo. 

Barnetts not even pads. There's another roster spot burned

Edit: at first he was in just sweats and a jersey. Then he put on his shoulder pads and is now wearing two jerseys

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Doesnt matter if theres 1 or 1000.

At the end of the day the play action works differently based on the ratio of run pass. Tennessee and the 49ers are living proof

Statistically there is no proof of this. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

If Hargrave has never practiced with the team, doesn’t that make this a non-football injury?

Just saying, if the players can bend the team over for more money, it goes both ways if our new pricey FA never shows up and misses half the season.

Not if he got hurt at the facility, which sounds like the case otherwise he'd be on NFI list during TC

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not if he got hurt at the facility, which sounds like the case otherwise he'd be on NFI list during TC

True, he needed to be under the care of our training staff in order to get hurt 😆

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re taking a real conversation and dumbing it down with your exaggerated hypothetical. 

Lulz

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Michael Warren STILL isn't listed on the PS despite being at practice

Has anyone seen his stapler?

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Of course not, but the causal relationship being implied is the one between establishing a running game and its resultant effects on the effectiveness of play action passes. The null hypothesis here is that there is no causal relationship between the two, thus the need to prove it exists lies on those that argue there still is one despite a dearth of non-anecdotal evidence indicating as much.

There are other factors involved, IMO, of team’s play-action game — is it synced with the run game, what formation are they in, what personnel is the defense deploying. 

One of the reasons SF’s P-A game is so effective is that Shanahan is maniacal about marrying the run and pass so it all looks the same. It seems simple, but he’s the best at it. Plus, having a guy like Jusceck (I’m sure I botched that name) dictates the defense’s personnel. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He’s clueless.  

He's an idiot. 

I was so angry watching this live. I can't believe we called a play-action play with a pulling guard. It's not that Seumalo can't do it (he can). It's doing that in the context of that game when the RG/RT were not in sync and couldn't be stable enough was crazy. We called a play designed to get Kerrigan/Young on the Edge against Seumalo!

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Dougs pressers are a complete waste of time and tweets

Honestly.  How do we go from what he said earlier to Hargrave being out at practice?  Makes no sense at all and quite frankly makes DP look dumb.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If Hargrave has never practiced with the team, doesn’t that make this a non-football injury?

Just saying, if the players can bend the team over for more money, it goes both ways if our new pricey FA never shows up and misses half the season.

did he hurt it during conditioning? 

https://twitter.com/EJSmith94/status/1306281090978586626?s=20

8 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Over/under 3 players with positive Covid tests before this week’s games

under now shut up

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

I was so angry watching this live. I can't believe we called a play-action play with a pulling guard. It's not that Seumalo can't do it (he can). It's doing that in the context of that game when the RG/RT were not in sync and couldn't be stable enough was crazy. We called a play designed to get Kerrigan/Young on the Edge against Seumalo!

That play looks like the first time the inmates put on pads in "The Longest Yard".  What is Seumalo even doing?  He had perfect position and does nothing with Kerrigan and that causes the domino effect for the rest.