42 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

He’s totally reckless when he decides to do that crap. Same with some of the 4th down decisions as well. He still makes those decisions like he has KC’s offense or the 2017 version of his offense. He doesn’t and he needs to take that into account. 
 

It’s almost like he took the criticism to punt in the Cinci game personal and went into hyperdrive with the 2 point conversions and 4th downs just to show people that he’s aggressive. 

These decisions are so analytics driven across the league now. I imagine most head coaches don't want to go against it since it is so accepted in front offices. It's almost like it's out of the coaches' hands, weirdly.

6 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

These decisions are so analytics driven across the league now. I imagine most head coaches don't want to go against it since it is so accepted in front offices. It's almost like it's out of the coaches' hands, weirdly.

We need a coach that says screw the analytics, I’m here to coach a football team and call a ball game.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ll put it this way eagles three wins this year came against Mullens, dinucci and Daniel jones where they held them to 20, 9 and 21 points. It really skews how the defense has looked. So in those games giving up 16.7ppg.  

the other 6 QBs were Haskins, Goff, burrow, Lamar, Big Ben and jones. Now the Haskins game is the outlier. can’t put most of it on the defense but they were awful in the red zone. But Goff, burrow, Lamar, Big Ben and jones was all the defense. They didn’t look good in most of those other 5 games. Even if you took Washington game out as an outlier, the eagles have given up 31 ppg in the the 4 losses and 1 tie. Granted it doesn’t help that Wentz kept turning the ball over and giving teams good field position. However the defense did nothing to stop them once they got good field position and just broke inside the red zone

But let’s call it the way that it is the Eagles in the red zone are one of the worst teams in the NFL. Based off espn stats they have given up 20 touchdowns on 29 red zone trips. Furthermore if you take away Washington giving them a turnover on downs its 20 for 28. They’ve been awful there. They’ve also been horrendous every time the eagles score they seem to give points right back. The Eagles had 3 scoring drives today. On two of them the eagles defense gave up tds on the very next drive. Add on when they have 1 or fewer turnovers they are 0-5-1.  Let’s be realistic the Eagles only had two great games with turnovers and they came against two quarterbacks who are back ups or not going to be in the league in about a year. This has been an issue that been popping up over the last three years. The turnovers just aren’t there. 

I like Schwartz and I think he’s a solid DC but i also think we are seeing the league catch up to him, we might need a new voice and i don’t think the talent or production from our guys is near the level it was back in 2017. 

I’m mixed. First and foremost, whatever internal power structure they created clearly isn’t working. Doug is the coach but can’t choose his own assistants. Schwartz is the coach of the D but apparently can’t call timeouts in obvious mismatches. There’s no clear #2 on offense and is just a bunch of castoffs with no clear direction or identity on offense. Second, Schwartz is a lot better than people give credit for. This fan base has blinders on and think anyone could be better while completely ignoring Washburn/Castilo and Billy Davis. With that said, Schwartz absolutely has dreadful games. Maybe he should be replaced, maybe he did lose his touch with this team. At the same time, I don’t think there is anyone out there that can step in and be an upgrade to the current roster or situation. 
 

This team is off on several layers 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I know for sure he’ll be the first scapegoat. I also think they set up some weird internal power structure where Doug and Jim are essentially even with Howie making the final call in regards to the roster. It’s also pretty obvious this dynamic isn’t working. 

Yeah you can tell Jim has a massive amount of sway on the team. His unit is the #1 reason Eagles lost today. 

2 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Yeah you can tell Jim has a massive amount of sway on the team. His unit is the #1 reason Eagles lost today. 

It’s more than likely why the O and D can never play a complete game together.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s more than likely why the O and D can never play a complete game together.

That’s probably the one thing that’s frustrated me the most this year. 

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m mixed. First and foremost, whatever internal power structure they created clearly isn’t working. Doug is the coach but can’t choose his own assistants. Schwartz is the coach of the D but apparently can’t call timeouts in obvious mismatches. There’s no clear #2 on offense and is just a bunch of castoffs with no clear direction or identity on offense. Second, Schwartz is a lot better than people give credit for. This fan base has blinders on and think anyone could be better while completely ignoring Washburn/Castilo and Billy Davis. With that said, Schwartz absolutely has dreadful games. Maybe he should be replaced, maybe he did lose his touch with this team. At the same time, I don’t think there is anyone out there that can step in and be an upgrade to the current roster or situation. 
 

This team is off on several layers 

I do think people don’t give Schwartz enough credit for what he has been able to do for much of his tenure here. But this season this defense is just not very good. I’m not gonna sugarcoat it this defense when they face actual NFL quarterbacks has not been good. Besides one game against Daniel Jones they have been bad in every game where they faced NFL starting caliber quarterbacks.
 

Now I don’t think that’s all Schwartz. I think this team lacks defensive talent. Their defensive line is supposed to be elite for what they are paying. The only one that has played like an elite player consistently all year is Brandon Graham who is about to turn 34 years old. Cox has his games where he looks great and then other games where he just disappears. When we signed malik jackson and Hargrave the Idea was they were going to massively help Fletcher Cox. Yet it really hasn’t materialized. After a hot start from Josh sweat he’s really regressed and is awful at read options. Derek Barnett is the same Derek Barnett we’ve seen over the last couple years. The linebackers are a mess. I’m of the opinion they don’t even have a starter out there. That’s how bad it is.

 And then I look at the secondary Darius slay is the only corner on this roster that should be starting. NRC is trash. There’s a reason why the Rams just let him go. Maddox has regressed every single year since his rookie season. He is bad on the outside. He is not much better in the slot when he is there. The Eagles need to get over this fallacy that he is a legitimate starting corner. He’s not. This team completely missed the boat this off-season when they needed to find another outside corner to go with slay. Then at safety Mills is learning on the job. If you wanted to make him a safety then you should’ve started that transition a couple years ago knowing that McLeod was declining and knowing that Jenkins was getting older and towards the end of his contract. Then there’s McLeod who I think it’s overrated. I have to watch the all 22 but I’m almost positive on that big 40 yard game by Slayton that he was doing nothing i particular and caught in no man’s land. 

to me I ask myself where are the young defensive guys we can build the next unit with? They’re not there. We can make any excuse we want but this defense is aging and we don’t have anybody to step into the place of guys we relied on to win us a Super Bowl.  I feel like we’re going to wind up wasting the couple prime years of Darius slay with a below average secondary and bad linebackers around him. 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s more than likely why the O and D can never play a complete game together.

Been that way basically since 2018 besides the run with foles at the end of 2018 and December last year. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

to me I ask myself where are the young defensive guys we can build the next unit with? They’re not there. We can make any excuse we want but this defense is aging and we don’t have anybody to step into the place of guys we relied on to win was a Super Bowl.  I feel like we’re going to wind up wasting the couple prime years of Darius slay with a below average secondary and bad linebackers around him. 

 

The lack of young defensive talent is more concerning than Wentz’s play, to me, for the long term outlook of the Eagles. Barnett is a serviceable player but he’s not a building block like Fletcher Cox was. There’s no young defensive guys to be excited about, maybe Davion Taylor if you’re patient enough & an optimist. But I’m both & i’m not excited about him really. Wentz could easily rebound next year similar to Derek Carr, but then Wentz’s excuse will likely become him having an awful defense.  

17 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

The lack of young defensive talent is more concerning than Wentz’s play, to me, for the long term outlook of the Eagles. Barnett is a serviceable player but he’s not a building block like Fletcher Cox was. There’s no young defensive guys to be excited about, maybe Davion Taylor if you’re patient enough & an optimist. But I’m both & i’m not excited about him really. Wentz could easily rebound next year similar to Derek Carr, but then Wentz’s excuse will likely become him having an awful defense.  

On the old board we had this discussion back in March. One of the reasons I said the Eagles would regress and be an 8-8 or 7-9 team if they stayed somewhat healthy is due to lack of young proven talent. and they needed this draft and the next draft to be hit to get themselves in a position where they be able to leap back into SB contention  

When you look at the Eagles roster who are the young players on defense you can count on for the next era of Eagles football? A lot of people got upset when we said they do not have nearly enough young talent to make the transition smooth from the end of this era of eagles football to the next. And that’s the sad reality. It’s not because we like to be negative or the sky falling, no that is the reality when you look at the roster.

On defense what young player do they have that is in the position to become the next Brandon Graham or the next Fletcher Cox or the next Malcolm jenkins? I don’t see young player on the roster on defense that could be an impact player of their ilk. That to me is alarming. in five drafts we have yet to add a player of that ability to the roster on defense. Even at the end of Andy Reid‘s tenure he left the Eagles with some young defensive players who had tremendous upside. Even at the end of chip Kelly’s era he left the Eagles with guys in their prime and some young players to transition into the defense. Now we have guys at the end of their primes with minimal help from young defensive talent. 

Frankly I think there’s a better outlook on offense if you can get Carson Wentz turned around and fix whatever Doug is doing with the offense. Sanders, reagor, goedert and fulgham look promising at the skill position. I’d try to continue to add more. Oline you have seumalo and mailata. Maybe Driscoll, dillard and herbig become starters. But i trust stoutland so i think the eagles will find guys there.

Offensively there is two major issues for me. One I don’t think Doug utilizes or plays to the strength of his players. I believe he shouldn’t be the play caller. In four of his five years doing so only 2017 was the offense consistently good. The rest of the time it’s been bad for large stretches and then they get hot for about a month. Ive complained about this over the last two years. It feels like every December Doug finally wakes up and figured to how to utilize his players.

The other elephant in the room is what the F happened to Carson Wentz? Over the last three years he seemingly has regressed to the point where he’s either a turnover machine or today looking like a game manager trying not to make a mistake. Some of this is his poor mechanics at times or inaccuracies. He needs to get better. but I also think some of this is the Philadelphia Eagles. I don’t think he and Doug see eye to eye. I don’t think the Eagles utilize his best strength. I don’t think the Eagles hold him accountable enough. Add on the Eagles refuse to fire press Taylor but have no issues firing a wide receivers coach every single year for five years. Why is Press Taylor given such a long leash when Wentz has shown to decline every single year when he’s been the QB coach?

I’m not sure you ever get Carson Wentz from 2017. That ship might have sailed. And I don’t think if you had Nick Foles here this offense would be any better cause there’s more than just bad QBing holding this team back. 

1 hour ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Yeah you can tell Jim has a massive amount of sway on the team. His unit is the #1 reason Eagles lost today. 

His unit is the #1 reason eagles lost today? You think scoring a total of 17 Points in 2020 is good enough to win? What about 3 points in the first half, Is that good enough to win? What about converting 0 3rd downs the entire game... 0...
 

Doug is the #1 reason we lost today. The defense gets blame too but it’s not even close. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

On the old board we had this discussion back in March. One of the reasons I said the Eagles would regress and be an 8-8 or 7-9 team if they stayed somewhat healthy is due to lack of young proven talent. and they needed this draft and the next draft to be hit to get themselves in a position where they be able to leap back into SB contention  

When you look at the Eagles roster who are the young players on defense you can count on for the next era of Eagles football? A lot of people got upset when we said they do not have nearly enough young talent to make the transition smooth from the end of this era of eagles football to the next. And that’s the sad reality. It’s not because we like to be negative or the sky falling, no that is the reality when you look at the roster.

On defense what young player do they have that is in the position to become the next Brandon Graham or the next Fletcher Cox or the next Malcolm jenkins? I don’t see young player on the roster on defense that could be an impact player of their ilk. That to me is alarming. in five drafts we have yet to add a player of that ability to the roster on defense. Even at the end of Andy Reid‘s tenure he left the Eagles with some young defensive players who had tremendous upside. Even at the end of chip Kelly’s era he left the Eagles with guys in their prime and some young players to transition into the defense. Now we have guys at the end of their primes with minimal help from young defensive talent. 

Frankly I think there’s a better outlook on offense if you can get Carson Wentz turned around and fix whatever Doug is doing with the offense. Sanders, reagor, goedert and fulgham look promising at the skill position. I’d try to continue to add more. Oline you have seumalo and mailata. Maybe Driscoll, dillard and herbig become starters. But i trust stoutland so i think the eagles will find guys there.

Offensively there is two major issues for me. One I don’t think Doug utilizes or plays to the strength of his players. I believe he shouldn’t be the play caller. In four of his five years doing so only 2017 was the offense consistently good. The rest of the time it’s been bad for large stretches and then they get hot for about a month. Ive complained about this over the last two years. It feels like every December Doug finally wakes up and figured to how to utilize his players.

The other elephant in the room is what the F happened to Carson Wentz? Over the last three years he seemingly has regressed to the point where he’s either a turnover machine or today looking like a game manager trying not to make a mistake. Some of this is his poor mechanics at times or inaccuracies. He needs to get better. but I also think some of this is the Philadelphia Eagles. I don’t think he and Doug see eye to eye. I don’t think the Eagles utilize his best strength. I don’t think the Eagles hold him accountable enough. Add on the Eagles refuse to fire press Taylor but have no issues firing a wide receivers coach every single year for five years. Why is Press Taylor given such a long leash when Wentz has shown to decline every single year when he’s been the QB coach?

I’m not sure you ever get Carson Wentz from 2017. That ship might have sailed. And I don’t think if you had Nick Foles here this offense would be any better cause there’s more than just bad QBing holding this team back. 

It’s hard to have promising young players on defense when we haven’t used a 1st or 2nd round pick on D the last 3 drafts. 

21 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

It’s hard to have promising young players on defense when we haven’t used a 1st or 2nd round pick on D the last 3 drafts. 

Even when they did take Sidney jones and Barnett in the first and second round they didn’t maximize them. I don’t disagree with you on that point that it makes it very hard to do so but then again the eagles haven’t exactly maximized the talents of Derek Barnett or Sidney jones prior to the last 3 drafts. In fact what was the last defensive player where they really maximized the pick in the first three rounds? Jordan hicks and if not hicks then Bennie Logan.  

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Your points are well-taken, but it’s worth mentioning that most offenses, and certainly most bad ones, look best when going up tempo.  That usually comes after a chunk gain or a first down conversion.   And you’ll see an offense take advantage of that when they start with some forward momentum.  
 

But it’s very challenging to just go up tempo when nothing is working and you can’t complete a pass.

It’s like people already forgot chip. 

26 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

His unit is the #1 reason eagles lost today? You think scoring a total of 17 Points in 2020 is good enough to win? What about 3 points in the first half, Is that good enough to win? 
 

Doug is the #1 reason we lost today. The defense gets blame too but it’s not even close. 

Absolutely, the defense is 100% the biggest reason Eagles lost today. Don’t get me wrong the Offense isn’t without fault. But the Eagles never once had a lead on the Giants because the defense couldn’t stop Danny Dimes. Eagles offense was constantly playing catch up, and nearly caught up in 3rd quarter. Sure 17 points isn’t ideal for offense, but I don’t understand how you can argue that giving up 27 wasn’t the biggest factor. It’s also not like Eagles offense was constantly turning ball over and putting the defense in a bad spot. 

3 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Absolutely, the defense is 100% the biggest reason Eagles lost today. Don’t get me wrong the Offense isn’t without fault. But the Eagles never once had a lead on the Giants because the defense couldn’t stop Danny Dimes. Eagles offense was constantly playing catch up, and nearly caught up in 3rd quarter. Sure 17 points isn’t ideal for offense, but I don’t understand how you can argue that giving up 27 wasn’t the biggest factor. It’s also not like Eagles offense was constantly turning ball over and putting the defense in a bad spot. 

You need to watch other games in the league. 17 points doesn’t win you games in 2020. 
 

While the offense sure didn’t give up any turnovers today. They converted 0 third downs The entire game... that is almost as bad as the turnovers considering the field position it gives.

2 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

You need to watch other games in the league. 17 points doesn’t win you games in 2020. 
 

While the offense sure didn’t give up any turnovers today. They converted 0 third downs The entire game... that is almost as bad as the turnovers considering the field position it gives.

Browns beat the Texans 10-7 today 

6 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Browns beat the Texans 10-7 today 

Probably not the game you’d want to use. There was a massive thunderstorm and the elements were the reason for that. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Probably not the game you’d want to use. There was a massive thunderstorm and the elements were the reason for that. 

Yea I knew about that, I’m just messing with him. He’s not wrong, you can’t win with 17 points, but if you watched the game today it’s clear the defensive unit was the worse unit today. 

Just now, Dwide Schrude said:

Yea I knew about that, I’m just messing with him. He’s not wrong, you can’t win with 17 points, but if you watched the game today it’s clear the defensive unit was the worse unit today. 

Eh it was pretty equal in my opinion. The defense was awful to start the game. Gave up 92 yards on the ground and touchdown drives of 85 and 75 yards. However the offense after the first drive of the game did next to nothing until the first two drives of the second half. And then reverted back to doing nothing the rest of the game. The defense was bad but so was the offense. Heck even special teams was a disaster today. How many times did ward and reagor let balls bounce when they should’ve fair caught them and instead goes bouncing for 7-15 yards down the field? Heck in a damn monsoon in New England their punt returner was able to fair catch the ball 

this was a complete team loss. 

2 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Yea I knew about that, I’m just messing with him. He’s not wrong, you can’t win with 17 points, but if you watched the game today it’s clear the defensive unit was the worse unit today. 

It was bad all over.  Defense gave up TD drives of 85 and 75 yards in the first two possessions to put the team down 14-3.  Offense generated no big plays other than Scott’s 56-yard TD run; 208 yards passing on 37 throws against a 2-7 team.  ST was awful as well — PR letting balls hit the ground and give up 10+ yards in field position, numerous penalties on KR, Elliott doesn’t even have a chance to kick extra points because Gabe (Doug) decides kicking extra points is for suckers.

There’s a whole bunch to clean up — now against winning teams for the next 5 weeks.  Things could get very ugly 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

There’s a whole bunch to clean up — now against winning teams for the next 5 weeks.  Things could get very ugly 

I don't think there's any doubt in my mind that it's going to get really ugly. They are about to play some good teams, some really good offenses who could really smack us about. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Eh it was pretty equal in my opinion. The defense was awful to start the game. Gave up 92 yards on the ground and touchdown drives of 85 and 75 yards. However the offense after the first drive of the game did next to nothing until the first two drives of the second half. And then reverted back to doing nothing the rest of the game. The defense was bad but so was the offense. Heck even special teams was a disaster today. How many times did ward and reagor let balls bounce when they should’ve fair caught them and instead goes bouncing for 7-15 yards down the field? Heck in a damn monsoon in New England their punt returner was able to fair catch the ball 

this was a complete team loss. 

 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

It was bad all over.  Defense gave up TD drives of 85 and 75 yards in the first two possessions to put the team down 14-3.  Offense generated no big plays other than Scott’s 56-yard TD run; 208 yards passing on 37 throws against a 2-7 team.  ST was awful as well — PR letting balls hit the ground and give up 10+ yards in field position, numerous penalties on KR, Elliott doesn’t even have a chance to kick extra points because Gabe (Doug) decides kicking extra points is for suckers.

There’s a whole bunch to clean up — now against winning teams for the next 5 weeks.  Things could get very ugly 

You guys both make good points for sure. It’s definitely fair to call it a team loss. I really thought Eagles defense was in line for a big game when they sacked Jones on very first play. 

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

 

You guys both make good points for sure. It’s definitely fair to call it a team loss. I really thought Eagles defense was in line for a big game when they sacked Jones on very first play. 

I just think this team fails to keep discipline and fails to execute all too often. The offense stutters so much that the defense has to stop the opposition far too regularly. I mean if the offense gets a little more in that first half then perhaps the hole at half time isn't 11 points. The defense is an issue but the offense is, and has been all year, the biggest issue. 

This team should only be playing 1pm games from now on. There is no reason to subject the rest of the country to this abortion of a team. 

Are we ready to stop wishing for the playoffs now or are there still some people who think we aren't a god awful team 

19 minutes ago, devpool said:

This team should only be playing 1pm games from now on. There is no reason to subject the rest of the country to this abortion of a team. 

Are we ready to stop wishing for the playoffs now or are there still some people who think we aren't a god awful team 

Ironically, primetime games are the only ones we’ve won so far. That said, I do wish every game was a 1:00 kickoff.