6 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I still doubt Doug gets fired this year, but I think Schwartz is landing himself on the hot seat. 

Scwartz's contract will be up. They seem to have made no attempt to sign him to a new one.

6 hours ago, Casey @ Bat said:

What a smart play by Harbaugh taking the penalty. It stopped the clock.  We’d never think of that. 

Hell I'd be happy if we thought of kicking an extra point when it makes no sense not to

Gotta say after getting a good nights sleep, this team still sucks. 

It was a poorly played game.  Wentz was a big part of it.  He was missing many of his receivers.  TE Rodgers was the reliable one and Wentz was looking for him when he was in a bad situation.

Amazing to see there were trouble on 3 snaps.  Kelce is the vet and worked with Wentz for thousands of snaps.  Incredible! 

Doug did not call a good game.  Early in the season, the team said the same coaching staff was an advantage over other NFCE teams who had new coaches.  As it turned out, this coaching staff did not have much of an advantage.  In fact, no OC and a bunch of offensive coordinators and advisors confuse the game planning and Doug lost the focus on play calling.

Hurts in the game has not produced much.  As this point, if Hurts has to go in to play QB, not sure he is able to handle the job.  One idea is that Doug likes to go for 2-pt conversion after TD, the most in the league.  They could designate Hurts as the QB for that. Design plays and has him practiced those plays until they are automatic.

 

 

7 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

By dictating Dougs DC, assistants, and position coaches, Lurie has really left himself limited options for recourse.  There arent many options that don't include Doug losing his job.  Howie would inevitably be next but that would take Armageddon

 

6 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

We said that the year Chip Kelly got fired.

2 years later they won the SB.  You can turn things around quick.  It's getting the right coach, hitting on some draft picks and getting the right FA's.

I’m starting to realize and acknowledge the issues we have with coaching, and that if this thing continues to head south a total change would be warranted.  However, I think it is very important to realize that the reasons the Eagles went from SB in 2017 to what they are now is talent.  They’ve been arguably the worst drafting team in the NFL since 2013.  They have made horrible misses and poor evaluations consistently for years.  They have very little young talent.

The Eagles have a personnel group that determined JJAW was the pick in round 2 over DK Metcalf.  They have missed on many critical first and second day picks, and have drafted almost no difference makers at any position to go with very few starters.  A scary number of high picks don’t even get into a 2nd contract with the team.  There are very serious problems across the board in the entire function of personnel/ talent acquisition.  The salary cap is an absolute mess.

Somehow, in the meantime, the franchise QB has completely imploded and it’s hard to believe he is even the same player.

The Eagles need to make fundamental changes from the top, to include finding a new GM and personnel staff.  I also believe this is going to be a multi-year rebuild, as the window for a quick fix turnaround has closed.  It’s critical to get a new GM and staff in place that understands the need to find and install an NFL coaching structure, and not an amalgamous hodgepodge of "different voices” that all have nebulous roles in the staff with no clear responsibilities or accountability.

The Eagles need a leader with a long term plan and vision for what the team should be year in and year out.  They need to move quickly away from the highly reactionary strategy they have used now for some time.  Team is too slow at WR - draft a bunch of WRs based on their timed or perceived game speed.  Competitor has certain type of player we like - draft player that reminds us of player we wish we had.  Just lost player X - find player in draft that reminds us of player X.  Sounds good, but it has all been far too simplistic and reactionary.

Bottom line, I’ve been a strong Doug supporter, although now I’m acknowledging some of the deficiencies that appear to be significant trends.  The much more important issue, though, is the lack of talent on the team and the poor decision made by the entire personnel group for many years.  Changing out the coaching staff alone IMO would be extremely shortsighted.  There is no way the GM and current personnel group should be afforded another minute of control with a new coaching staff!

 

Jp, Mailata, Opeta, Seumalo, Kelce, Driscoll, Dillard, Johnson, Herbig, Pryor, Jamon Brown, Toth

12 dif olineman have played this season.

again this week we xhanged 2 olineman from the last game.

no continuity along the oline what so ever from game to game. 

that is not a winning recipe

12:00 noon NBA teams can start announcing trades. There will be plenty of news. Maybe some 6ers news. Lots of rumors. Possibly a good distraction from this team. 

This team may not win another game this season.........

anyone notice that wentz did not turn the ball over? 

we got the cautious, tentative wentz yesterday.

which means he took less chances, lacked trust in his wrs/ oline to make plays.

and unfortunately he had a few crucial drops when he did pull the trigger.

 

 

i like the gunslinger Wentz better, just let it fly. sure it means he will have a few ints, but he will also give his guys some chances to make plays,  yesterday, he didnt do that.

 

 

Just now, Ipiggles said:

anyone notice that wentz did not turn the ball over? 

we got the cautious, tentative wentz yesterday.

which means he took less chances, lacked trust in his wrs/ oline to make plays.

and unfortunately he had a few crucial drops when he did pull the trigger.

 

 

i like the gunslinger Wentz better, just let it fly. sure it means he will have a few ints, but he will also give his guys some chances to make plays,  yesterday, he didnt do that.

 

 

I think they learned from last game throwing bombs in the wind that were difficult to track.

Even the one the Giants got to Slayton on Slay looked like a miracle that he got it. 

Wentz did throw a bunch of intermediate area passes. Just missed most of them high. He cant hit those TE seams that had been a staple of our offense and made Ertz look great.

He also threw down field in coverage to Fulgham who didnt get it. Gave him a chance to make a play. And threw downfield to Reagor too. 

 

when we can start JP/ Mailata, Seumalo, Kelce, Herbig and Johnson for a few games in a row, the offense will magically appear better.

If we can get to and play w a lead, the defense might appear to be better

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think they learned from last game throwing bombs in the wind that were difficult to track.

Even the one the Giants got to Slayton on Slay looked like a miracle that he got it. 

Wentz did throw a bunch of intermediate area passes. Just missed most of them high. He cant hit those TE seams that had been a staple of our offense and made Ertz look great.

He also threw down field in coverage to Fulgham who didnt get it. Gave him a chance to make a play. And threw downfield to Reagor too. 

 

you are correct about not wanting to throw long downfield in the wind

 

Thats not what im talking about, im talking in general, he was more tentative and held the ball and did not force the throw into tight windows, except for the 3rd and long you referenced to Fulgham downfiled which as was pointed out was as good as a punt.

he did throw 3 high passes i counted.

and had at least 3 drops (if not 4 or 5) that hit the wr/te/rb right in the hands.

He just didnt pull the trigger, was tentative and really didnt give his wrs trust or that many chances to make a play.

11 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

anyone notice that wentz did not turn the ball over? 

we got the cautious, tentative wentz yesterday.

which means he took less chances, lacked trust in his wrs/ oline to make plays.

and unfortunately he had a few crucial drops when he did pull the trigger.

 

 

i like the gunslinger Wentz better, just let it fly. sure it means he will have a few ints, but he will also give his guys some chances to make plays,  yesterday, he didnt do that.

 

 

If it needs to be one or the other, it's time to find a new QB.

Thankfully I'm unable to watch any non-primetime games the rest of the season due to time difference and work hours, but seeing this makes me wonder how much of it really is coaching and how much are the players failing at execution.

 

Don't get me wrong, coaching has not been good by any means in terms of situational playcalling, player usage, and game flow. But the way wentz is playing I would wager there are more failed plays due to terrible execution than it seems. Obviously execution has nothing to do with screens to ward or not getting reagor the ball in space, but I wonder how many timing plays like this are run and to us looks like terrible design but is being poorly executed.

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If it needs to be one or the other, it's time to find a new QB.

lol no it isnt.  you can win with wentz, like you can win with Foles. 

we've been down the road with the qb merry go round , and anyone dealing with this oline mess wouldnt be much better.

 

No im not ready to throw away a good qb because of the team around him stinks

 

13 minutes ago, devpool said:

Thankfully I'm unable to watch any non-primetime games the rest of the season due to time difference and work hours, but seeing this makes me wonder how much of it really is coaching and how much are the players failing at execution.

 

Don't get me wrong, coaching has not been good by any means in terms of situational playcalling, player usage, and game flow. But the way wentz is playing I would wager there are more failed plays due to terrible execution than it seems. Obviously execution has nothing to do with screens to ward or not getting reagor the ball in space, but I wonder how many timing plays like this are run and to us looks like terrible design but is being poorly executed.

perfect example of him no trusting and being tentative

35 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

anyone notice that wentz did not turn the ball over? 

we got the cautious, tentative wentz yesterday.

which means he took less chances, lacked trust in his wrs/ oline to make plays.

and unfortunately he had a few crucial drops when he did pull the trigger.

 

 

i like the gunslinger Wentz better, just let it fly. sure it means he will have a few ints, but he will also give his guys some chances to make plays,  yesterday, he didnt do that.

 

 

How about Wentz somewhere in between?

Swoop with a prediction of 27 -20 giants is this week winning prediction.

Honorable mentions go to eaglesphan1986 with A 24-20 score and Asg15 with a 24-21 prediction 

 

24 minutes ago, devpool said:

Thankfully I'm unable to watch any non-primetime games the rest of the season due to time difference and work hours, but seeing this makes me wonder how much of it really is coaching and how much are the players failing at execution.

 

Don't get me wrong, coaching has not been good by any means in terms of situational playcalling, player usage, and game flow. But the way wentz is playing I would wager there are more failed plays due to terrible execution than it seems. Obviously execution has nothing to do with screens to ward or not getting reagor the ball in space, but I wonder how many timing plays like this are run and to us looks like terrible design but is being poorly executed.

I actually saw that live and wondered why he "pump faked" that just throw the damn ball

2 minutes ago, In2football said:

Swoop with a prediction of 27 -20 giants is this week winning prediction.

Honorable mentions go to eaglesphan1986 with A 24-20 score and Asg15 with a 24-21 prediction 

 

@In2football Browns 47- Eagles 9

25 minutes ago, devpool said:

Thankfully I'm unable to watch any non-primetime games the rest of the season due to time difference and work hours, but seeing this makes me wonder how much of it really is coaching and how much are the players failing at execution.

 

Don't get me wrong, coaching has not been good by any means in terms of situational playcalling, player usage, and game flow. But the way wentz is playing I would wager there are more failed plays due to terrible execution than it seems. Obviously execution has nothing to do with screens to ward or not getting reagor the ball in space, but I wonder how many timing plays like this are run and to us looks like terrible design but is being poorly executed.

Yeah this play drove me crazy.  It clearly worked and wentz held the ball forever to the CB was there to make the play. 

And people then aren't impressed by reagor. That was an opportunity for him,  blown by wentz.

37 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

when we can start JP/ Mailata, Seumalo, Kelce, Herbig and Johnson for a few games in a row, the offense will magically appear better.

If we can get to and play w a lead, the defense might appear to be better

I admire your enthusiasm, but I don't think so. 

9 hours ago, schuy7 said:

People like to throw the idea around that Jones is doing well there. He isn't. He got toasted by Adams for a TD that was called back for offensive holding. Rodgers threw the ball way behind his WR on the INT. Sidney Jones isn't good.

 

2 things

1.Adams might be the best WR in the NFL this year.  He's dominating games.

2. When's the last underthrown, overthrown, misplaced pass that any of our DB's have intercepted?  An interception is an interception.  

Jones might not be the shut down CB1 that they thought they were getting in round 2 but he is better than Maddox.  

I know i'm behind the times but Herbig didn't play because he injured his finger?

Can anyone imagine Chuck Bednarik not playing because he injured his finger?

36 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

lol no it isnt.  you can with wentz, like you can win with Foles. 

we've been down the road with the qb merry go round , and anyone dealing with this oline mess wouldnt be much better.

 

No im not ready to throw away a good qb because of the team around him stinks

 

What he's saying is he needs to play in between. Not be tentative but not make foolish passes either. If he can't then we need a new Q.B. and he's right. Wentz can't be tentative and he can't be a gunslinger. He needs to play well and be smart.

4 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I know i'm behind the times but Herbig didn't play because he injured his finger?

Can anyone imagine Chuck Bednarik not playing because he injured his finger?

I had to read that a few times myself.  A finger?  Ronnie Lott had the tip of his finger cut off mid-game to keep playing.  Just look at Baldy and his deformed mitts.  Unless you're a center and it's your snapping hand, a finger shouldn't keep a lineman out of a game.  Tape it up with a splint to the neighboring digit and suck it up.  As much as we sadly hate JP now, you can't argue with his willingness to go out there and battle through an injury, or at least try to.  Same with Lane Johnson and his ankle and knee.  Brandon Brooks is out there busting his butt to come back from his injury.

Herbig hurts a finger and can't play.