37 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's amazing that Doug still gets a pass on here. 

He was out coached by a bunch of rookie coaches and Jason Garrett yesterday and yet we're still pointing/talking about Wentz. 

Wentz, the same guy that this board BEGGED to play structured, non-hero ball football. We got structured Wentz yesterday and the structured system SUCKS. 

 

Not from me. I've thought his play selection has been bad all year.

But to be fair i've been a big supporter of Wentz but at some point he has to pull his cranium out of his anal oriface. Doug cant make him throw accurately

Luries biggest failure is setting up his FO like a drum circle singing kumbaya rather than establishing a clear chain of command

Its led them to this point where their only 2 real options are to fire Doug or fire everyone else and give Doug a Prove It year

They dictated all of his assistants and coordinators, they fired his coaches against his will, he clearly has no authority over Schwartz....but at some point you have to look at Dougs now-limited responsibilities and ask "what does he really contribute?"

Why do we need Doug Pederson?  Anyone?

The Eagles are where the Phillies and Flyers were in 2012.

Coming off a nice run, which they tried to extend with veteran signings at the cost of youth/draft picks.

There comes a time when you have to accept the party's over, bite the bullet, and commit to rebuilding.

Phillies failed to do so, tried to muddle through for two more years while their veteran assets depreciated and brought in the wrong guy to run a rebuild.

Flyers muddled for two years under Holmgren while their veteran assets depreciated, Hextall came in, dumped most of his veterans, focused on accumulating draft picks, and upgrading scouting and player development. Fletcher has continued to build on Hextall's foundation, keeping the scouts together and his pool of prospects.

Eagles need to clear house, garner as many draft picks as possible, dump as many veterans as possible for assets, clear out cap room going forward and bottom feed for a couple years - good drafting and player development can turn it around in 3 years.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If it needs to be one or the other, it's time to find a new QB.

Also true.. or find that magic elixir that made the 2017, even the 2018 version of Wentz.  

I think a lot of that was OL trust.  He's not trusting his OL like he used to be able to.

 

I am not a guy that wants to pull the plug on a HC quickly, but I'm leaning that way now.  If not, then you take the entire coaching staff (minus Stoutland) and replace everyone else around Doug.   

 

Here's food for thought... What about bringing in Eric Bienemy as the new HC and bring Kafka with him as the OC and bring in Orlovsky as the QB coach?   Crazy?   Maybe, maybe not.

2 hours ago, devpool said:

Thankfully I'm unable to watch any non-primetime games the rest of the season due to time difference and work hours, but seeing this makes me wonder how much of it really is coaching and how much are the players failing at execution.

 

Don't get me wrong, coaching has not been good by any means in terms of situational playcalling, player usage, and game flow. But the way wentz is playing I would wager there are more failed plays due to terrible execution than it seems. Obviously execution has nothing to do with screens to ward or not getting reagor the ball in space, but I wonder how many timing plays like this are run and to us looks like terrible design but is being poorly executed.

Noticed that during the game, and thought that there must have been a DL in the throwing lane on the initial pump.  There wasn't though.

BTW you guys can't have it both ways, Wentz can't "hold the ball too long" and at the same time have "no confidence in his o-line"

10 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Luries biggest failure is setting up his FO like a drum circle singing kumbaya rather than establishing a clear chain of command

Its led them to this point where their only 2 real options are to fire Doug or fire everyone else and give Doug a Prove It year

They dictated all of his assistants and coordinators, they fired his coaches against his will, he clearly has no authority over Schwartz....but at some point you have to look at Dougs now-limited responsibilities and ask "what does he really contribute?"

Why do we need Doug Pederson?  Anyone?

If this is true what self respecting coach would work under these conditions?

51 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

This is the inconvenient truth

And everyone in the organization probably knows Doug is in over his head

 

 

Quick, someone name the last time Doug outcoached another staff.  Ill wait....

Feb 4, 2018.

snap counts

 

22 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Luries biggest failure is setting up his FO like a drum circle singing kumbaya rather than establishing a clear chain of command

Its led them to this point where their only 2 real options are to fire Doug or fire everyone else and give Doug a Prove It year

They dictated all of his assistants and coordinators, they fired his coaches against his will, he clearly has no authority over Schwartz....but at some point you have to look at Dougs now-limited responsibilities and ask "what does he really contribute?"

Why do we need Doug Pederson?  Anyone?

We don't. Time to clean house, and send all of them packing, including Howie. 

Hire one of Dimitroff, Daniel Jeremiah, or Mike Borgonzi from the Chiefs.

Then interview and hire one of Brian Daboll, Pete Carmichael, Don Martindale, or Greg Roman

I am forever grateful for what they accomplished 3 years ago, but I honestly can't stand the sight of Doug, Jim, or Howie anymore.

52 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

It's easy to rag on Doug, but he has constantly had this thousand yard stare for over a year when public facing.  Whoever called it out earlier in the offseason in the NFL had it right; he looks tired, overworked and for me, lacks a vision of what he wants the O to be. He's HC today cause he's there, not because he has a vision or a plan - Lurie forced it on him, as he did player personnel on Chip.

Easy there... Chip did not have player personnel 'forced on him'.   That's just rewriting history.  Chip wanted it.  Chip wrestled for it.  Chip got it, and made the dumpster fire burn intensely bright, forcing him to be immediately removed.  

3 minutes ago, metal said:

snap counts

 

Hightower sucks. I'm okay with Alshon taking snaps away from him. But Fulgoat and Reagor should be in whenever they're not tired. And yes, I think Ward deserves snaps ahead of Alshon as well. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Easy there... Chip did not have player personnel 'forced on him'.   That's just rewriting history.  Chip wanted it.  Chip wrestled for it.  Chip got it, and made the dumpster fire burn intensely bright, forcing him to be immediately removed.  

Yep, Chip was a control freak of epic proportions. Pretty weird for any fan to think otherwise after having lived through that disaster.

I'm sure he did, but I don't remember any Singleton plays.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

I'm sure he did, but I don't remember any Singleton plays.

I remember him getting trucked and missing a tackle, that was about it

Though I did just skim through the game, furious after following the game on my phone

I find it curious that this play is being adduced as evidence of great play design that is simply not being well executed by the players, especially Wentz. To me, it is emblematic of the adjective I would use to describe Doug's offense - CONGESTED. This was my opinion of Doug's offense when he was in KC and during his tenure with the Eagles (save 2017). I watch other teams and they routinely have WRs running wide open. This is not the case with the Eagles. We thought adding speed to the roster would open things up. Well, it has not. Fault must lie with the route concepts and overall design of the offense. Our explosive plays are coming from the running game. The passing attack is ponderous requiring an inordinate number of plays to score.

50 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I still believe in Doug as a HC and leader of men.  I do not believe in Doug as a play caller and OC.  That is probably why he seems beat down.  

 

But I will continue to beat the horse until it is ashes.  LURIE is the problem.  It all starts at the top.  There are multiple things wrong with this organization.  Poor decisions and drafting by the FO.  The FO and Coaching Staff seemingly do not connect.  What was once a strength, Cap management, is now a major issue.  Injuries.....every year.....timetables are never right...EVER!  

 

When your owner stands at the podium for the season opening press conference and decides to use that time to talk about the pandemic and social justice, rather than set the tone for a tough professional football season.....that's all I needed to see.  I was too optimistic with my 8-8 prediction.  I can be wrong, sometimes.  It happens.  

I agree with the bolded.  

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

I'm sure he did, but I don't remember any Singleton plays.

He finished with 16 tackles and had a TFL on an end around. I don't think he was bad. He wasn't outstanding though.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

I'm sure he did, but I don't remember any Singleton plays.

I said this last night.  The Eagles could bring in 5 new linebackers this week and there would be no difference in the defensive performance.  We have glorified ST players starting at LB and playing key roles.  Alex Singleton is a poor man's Bryan Bradam and I never wanted him playing meaningful snaps.  The only real positives from Singleton is that he's not Nate Gerry.

The LB are JAGs or worse and you could bring in 5 more JAGs and be OK.  Until they change their mindset and value on the position it's going to be the same thing over and over.

 

1 minute ago, metal said:

 

Well that will help Brady and the Uccs 

Unfortunately the game wasn't televised here in Central Florida so I wasn't able to watch it.   What happened with Fulgham yesterday?  Has anyone watched any film yet?  Was he being double covered? 

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

I'm sure he did, but I don't remember any Singleton plays.

According to NFL.COM he led the team in tackles

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Unfortunately  Fortunately the game wasn't televised here in Central Florida so I wasn't able to watch it.   What happened with Fulgham yesterday?  Has anyone watched any film yet?  Was he being double covered? 

 

57 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I still believe in Doug as a HC and leader of men.  I do not believe in Doug as a play caller and OC.  That is probably why he seems beat down.  

 

But I will continue to beat the horse until it is ashes.  LURIE is the problem.  It all starts at the top.  There are multiple things wrong with this organization.  Poor decisions and drafting by the FO.  The FO and Coaching Staff seemingly do not connect.  What was once a strength, Cap management, is now a major issue.  Injuries.....every year.....timetables are never right...EVER!  

 

When your owner stands at the podium for the season opening press conference and decides to use that time to talk about the pandemic and social justice, rather than set the tone for a tough professional football season.....that's all I needed to see.  I was too optimistic with my 8-8 prediction.  I can be wrong, sometimes.  It happens.  

Spot on.  I cannot emphasize enough the importance of getting new leadership and decision making for the football operation and personnel evaluation group.  You can resurrect Lombardi or Landry or trade for Belicheat and you are still not winning when you draft the way the Eagles have for this long.  The Eagles also seem to have totally failed in decision making on certain player retentions and in opportunities to acquire difference makers at key positions.  The entire thing is a disaster and it is long past time to accept that in order to move forward, we can appreciate 2017 and also move on from it into the future.  Coaching is extremely important in football, we all know that, heck just look at the Giants talent level and how they played yesterday vs. the Eagles, but to just blame coaching or think you can change out a coaching staff and things will be different would be an incredibly bad decision.

The Birds future should not include Howie Roseman or anyone on the current staff.  Let Howie go try an Andy Reid style redemption story somewhere else.  Maybe there he can pay a franchise QB top dollar and then continue to draft other QBs high, outsmarting everyone and creating the ULTIMATE QB factory that will be the envy of the league.  Maybe even have designated QBs for each down.  Soon you could have a 1st down, a 2nd down AND a 3rd down QB!!!  Each QB trained and specifically optimized for their designated down.  No one will be able to see it coming!  

38 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Eagles need to clear house, garner as many draft picks as possible, dump as many veterans as possible for assets, clear out cap room going forward and bottom feed for a couple years - good drafting and player development can turn it around in 3 years.

When you get this from afan.... it's over!

I completely agree with the assessment, however it is critical that you have a new and competent team making those draft picks and decisions.  Otherwise you will end up in the same place.  You have teams that keep drafting in the top ten all the time and still mostly stink (Giants come to mind).  The level of drafting and decision making the Eagles have had does not merit the current group any further consideration for the future.

30 minutes ago, metal said:

snap counts

 

That is disgusting.  Alshon should not be on the field.   This season has turned into a 'development' year for the future.  John Hightower needs snaps.  Alshon needs to go away.