4 hours ago, greend said:

Scwartz's contract will be up. They seem to have made no attempt to sign him to a new one.

Thank Christ 

4 hours ago, greend said:

Scwartz's contract will be up. They seem to have made no attempt to sign him to a new one.

Thank god. 

43 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Luries biggest failure is setting up his FO like a drum circle singing kumbaya rather than establishing a clear chain of command

Its led them to this point where their only 2 real options are to fire Doug or fire everyone else and give Doug a Prove It year

They dictated all of his assistants and coordinators, they fired his coaches against his will, he clearly has no authority over Schwartz....but at some point you have to look at Dougs now-limited responsibilities and ask "what does he really contribute?"

Why do we need Doug Pederson?  Anyone?

 

37 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Also true.. or find that magic elixir that made the 2017, even the 2018 version of Wentz.  

I think a lot of that was OL trust.  He's not trusting his OL like he used to be able to.

 

I am not a guy that wants to pull the plug on a HC quickly, but I'm leaning that way now.  If not, then you take the entire coaching staff (minus Stoutland) and replace everyone else around Doug.   

 

Here's food for thought... What about bringing in Eric Bienemy as the new HC and bring Kafka with him as the OC and bring in Orlovsky as the QB coach?   Crazy?   Maybe, maybe not.

It doesn't seem like there's a clear chain of command anywhere within the organization and there needs to be one.  This is how you have accountability and know where there's a problem along the chain that you can fix.  This organization is like an amoeba changing shape and just ending up kind of all over the place without a spine.

Doug seems like a players' coach and can motivate guys to play and to keep fighting.  His insistence on being the de facto OC is weakening his position as HC.  As 4for4 stated in a post above, Doug the HC can be good while Doug the play caller is not good.  IMO the team would be better with Doug focusing more on the overall pulse of the team/locker room/chemistry with an actual OC doing the O play designs and play calling.  How much of Doug's staff is decided by the FO?  Schwartz was hired first, but I can't recall if Doug chose Reich and DeFilippo or if they were 'forced' on him, but they worked very well together.  We all know about the FO basically forcing him to fire some of his O staff that one season. 

A traditional NFL organization starts with the owner who hires a GM to handle the contracts/cap and to help with other hires, like a VP Of Personnel who would run the draft and a HC.  The VPoP and GM would hire scouting staff to work under the VPoP while the HC would hire coordinators and other coaches.  The coordinators would help the HC hire coaches for O and D.  That's structure.  That's a chain of command with accountability.  That's not what we have.

I would be fine with Bienemy as HC, Kafka as OC and Orlovsky as QB Coach.  Question on the last part, would he want to leave his analyst gig to be a coach?  Chuckie did, but the Raiders paid him a buttload of money.  Has Orlovsky ever given any indication he'd be interested in being a coach?  I think he could be what Wentz needs as from listening to him it sounds like he'd stay on Wentz the way DeFilippo did. 

It all starts with Lurie.  If this is the tone he set then he needs to be the one to change it.  Question is can he see that things are flawed and need to be changed and does he have the will to make the needed changes?

 

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That is disgusting.  Alshon should not be on the field.   This season has turned into a 'development' year for the future.  John Hightower needs snaps.  Alshon needs to go away.

Mailata should probably also be on the field. 

1 hour ago, Eagle1ne said:

60$ mil over the cap in 2021. 

That's crazy... This team needs a new captain to make the decisions. The current regime drove us straight into the iceberg. Howie can be regulated to other duties, contracts and such. Lurie needs to wake up and take Howie out of being in charge. 

On the future...

I expect Lurie to insist Doug give up playcalling. I wonder if Doug would rather resign/"mutually agree to part ways" than to give up what he loves doing most.

If Doug is let go, I think the Eagles job is much more attractive than some folks think it is. As much as I can't stand watching the endless rollercoaster that is 2018-2020 Carson Wentz, I imagine quite a number of NFL "offensive guys" would jump at the opportunity to "fix" him.

Schwartz is gone. 100%. Are there betting odds on this?

I've never seen a qb who was elite decline so quickly since maybe RG3.

 

10 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

On the future...

I expect Lurie to insist Doug give up playcalling. I wonder if Doug would rather resign/"mutually agree to part ways" than to give up what he loves doing most.

If Doug is let go, I think the Eagles job is much more attractive than some folks think it is. As much as I can't stand watching the endless rollercoaster that is 2018-2020 Carson Wentz, I imagine quite a number of NFL "offensive guys" would jump at the opportunity to "fix" him.

Schwartz is gone. 100%. Are there betting odds on this?

If Doug gives up playcalling, what is he supposed to do the rest of the week?

You would essentially be removing the only real defined role he had left. 

Thats why I say that the whole setup was a mistake and has been an unmitigated disaster. The fact that they fired his assistants the day after Doug said theyd be back was the biggest red-est flag they could have possibly raised

32 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Thank Christ 

 

31 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Thank god. 

Look at me bringing religion into the blog 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2020/09/11/head-coaching-candidates-2021

8 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

It was bad all over.  Defense gave up TD drives of 85 and 75 yards in the first two possessions to put the team down 14-3.  Offense generated no big plays other than Scott’s 56-yard TD run; 208 yards passing on 37 throws against a 2-7 team.  ST was awful as well — PR letting balls hit the ground and give up 10+ yards in field position, numerous penalties on KR, Elliott doesn’t even have a chance to kick extra points because Gabe (Doug) decides kicking extra points is for suckers.

There’s a whole bunch to clean up — now against winning teams for the next 5 weeks.  Things could get very ugly 

I’m not so sure in most of those games they’re going to even be competitive. Let’s just face the reality they just play the Dallas Cowboys defense and the New York Giants defense over the last two games and they barely manage to score 15 points and 17 points respectively against those defenses.  There were 10 teams yesterday that scored under 20 points. Only one of them one who was the Browns who were playing in a thunderstorm and horrific weather 

You’re about to play teams who can put up points and stop you besides the Seahawks. The eagles might be fortunate that drew Brees missed the saints game with a rib injury but I’m guessing he’s back by then. However the stretch of Seattle, Green Bay, New Orleans and then Arizona feels like they’re going to get beat down in every one of those games with how they’ve been playing. I get the NFL doesn’t exactly always work that way but I would be surprised in two of those four games if they were within 10 points. It kind of feels Like when the Eagles got beat down by tampa and then played on Thanksgiving with Chip Kelly and got beat down. I don’t think this team is going to roll over and die but I just don’t think talent wise and how they’re playing on offense they’re capable of even being close in any of those games.

11 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I've never seen a qb who was elite decline so quickly since maybe RG3.

 

If Im Doug, I give up playcalling and dive headfirst into gameplanning.  That is the thing that is going to cost him his job.

Why are we planning to get Greg Ward into space?  More than one time???

Why does he let Duce control the RB snaps?  Miles should have had no less than 25 touches yesterday

Why cant we get a playcall in on time?  

Why does he allow players to decide where and when theyre playing?  The OL merry-go-round is absolutely killing this team

Why does Alshon deserve to step right in and play, and Fulgham becomes an afterthought??

Why does Jalen Hurts come onto the field arbitrarily?  We as fans need to know who is responsible for what is one of the worst, longest-running decisions Ive ever seen

We have the most boring, stale, predictable offense in the NFL.  Any time we get a rhythm, we bring Hurts in to put the ball on the ground and have a negative play and ruin the drive.

12 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

If Doug gives up playcalling, what is he supposed to do the rest of the week?

You would essentially be removing the only real defined role he had left. 

Thats why I say that the whole setup was a mistake and has been an unmitigated disaster. The fact that they fired his assistants the day after Doug said theyd be back was the biggest red-est flag they could have possibly raised

Lurie probably isn't itching to fire the coach who finally won him a Super Bowl, and only 3 years after the fact. However, after the offensive staff restructure this year, stripping Doug of playcalling is the only substantial offensive change they have left. 

I pretty much agree with you although I'd argue the setup worked for a while. It's over now and something has to (and I believe will) change.

2 hours ago, greend said:

My honest opinion is that without a turnaround Doug gets fired at the end of this year.

I would still be surprised if they fire Doug at the end of this year. I have felt for a while and said on here that either Carson or Doug would not be here at the end of 2021 but I don’t see Jeffrey lurie firing Doug three years after winning a Super Bowl nor after making the playoffs 3 years in a row. Add on they sugar coat it and say the Eagles had a bunch of injuries to start the year and will use the pandemic as it was it the normal football season with the guys all the way through the year. Not saying I agree with that thinking just that’s how they will rationalize it

I think what you’re going to see is lurie going to make him give up playcalling. Now maybe Doug Pederson says screw this I’m tired of you guys forcing coaches on me and taking his play calling duty away and he walks away. I think that’s more probable than him being fired. 

I think the more interesting thing is what are the Eagles going to do a defensive coordinator? I don’t think Schwartz is back as this is his last year of his deal and you can see there’s big problems with this defense. However if I’m a young and up and coming defensive coach i’m not so sure I want this job. You don’t have the young talent and all of your talent is older type of talent which they’re eventually going to drop off.  And that could happen relatively soon with guys entering or in their 30s. 
 

 

Doug should have been fired or at the very least he should have resigned at halftime. 

 how do you finally start moving the football only down 4 then pull your qb just to force hurts into the game to run a silly read option that goes backwards 

Doug has 0 creativity using hurts and to insert him while we are already moving the ball to run THAT play is just so stupid. It’s so painfully obvious he’s not going in just to handoff to the rb, Wentz can do that! Hurts is obviously going to run smdh. And he gets in for one play then runs back to the bench like some make a wish kid who finally got his wish to snap the football. No chance to get into a rhythm... maybe stay in as a hb on the next play to give the defense something to think about, nope. Back to the bench. 
 

everything about this team is just sad and confusing or just plain nutty

4 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

I would be fine with Bienemy as HC, Kafka as OC and Orlovsky as QB Coach.  Question on the last part, would he want to leave his analyst gig to be a coach?  Chuckie did, but the Raiders paid him a buttload of money.  Has Orlovsky ever given any indication he'd be interested in being a coach?  I think he could be what Wentz needs as from listening to him it sounds like he'd stay on Wentz the way DeFilippo did. 

 

Please no.  I see nothing from Bienemy that shows me he's going to be a successful head coach.  I said this last night.  Bring in a coach who's shown that he can turn average players in to good players.  I don't want a coach who has been gifted the best QB in the game, the fastest WR in the game, top 3 TE to go along with other good players.  Same with Kafka.  I just want to get far away from the AR tree.  It's time for fresh, new ideas for the Eagles.  

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I think the more interesting thing is what are the Eagles going to do a defensive coordinator? I don’t think Schwartz is back as this is his last year of his deal and you can see there’s big problems with this defense. However if I’m a young and up and coming defensive coach i’m not so sure I want this job. You don’t have the young talent and all of your talent is older type of talent which they’re eventually going to drop off.  And that could happen relatively soon with guys entering or in their 30s. 
 

If there was any talent on this defense, do you think it would show itself? 

Cox, Graham, Mahlik Jackson, Hargrave, Slay, I'll wager they are all talented and yet hamstrung by the defensive scheme

 

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

A few more things.  We had a short discussion last night about field position and how it never seems to be good.

Out of their first 5 drives they started at the 25, 9, 6, 11, 16 yard lines.  They aren't even starting at the old automatic 20 yard line.  They then had 2 more drives that began at their own 5 and 17.

They had 10 drives, 6 of them were from inside their own 20.  3 of them were inside their own 10!!!  Every punt they received was inside the 20.  Something needs to change here.  The only time they get the ball outside the 25 is on a kickoff.

 

Regarding Wentz.  He was hit 13 times, sacked 3.  That's not great but I don't remember him being under enormous pressure yet he still only passed the ball for 200 yards with no TD's.  I'm losing all faith in him being the franchise quarterback.  DiNucci and Jones have outplayed Carson in consecutive games.  Alex Smith is the best QB in the conference and they had to put his leg back together.  

-Did we see one screen pass outside of the first drive on the 4th down to Reagor?

-Did we go deep once?  I've been tough on Hightower but the guy can stretch a defense.

-Every pass to Goedert seemed like he had 3 guys around him.

-I didn't notice Reagor's routes that much but did they try anything else to get him going?

-Miles Sanders was having a great game.  Just keep feeding him.

-How has Dick Rod become our most consistent receiver?

-Fletch/Malik/Hargrave....you don't deserve those contracts.

-Please, no more Hurts gadget plays.  How many times this season has he been in the shogun and Kelce has a bad snap?  Wasted plays, wasted draft pick.

 

It's time for big changes.  This is unacceptable.  Again, it's the whole thing from the drafting, the FA signings, the coaching and progression/regression of players and continuing injuries. 

The draft picks are irrelevant.  The FA signings are busts.  The veterans are getting worse and the young guys aren't getting better.  The one young guy who was getting better by playing has been forced to sit because he can now somehow improve by watching the game.

This team is infuriating. 

 

It's really a monumental breakdown in every area. It's that bad. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I stated it - with a struggling Oline, we dont call rollouts

when we do have something going, like the run game, we have Wentz throw it 40 times. 

This is beyond stoopid. 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

 

I also pointed this out, that Wentz was tentative and cautious- instead of letting it fly.  This was the result. 

Totally agree with this. 

 

I also stated Frank Reich was the biggest loss we had since the Superbowl, and I stated that in early 2018, it still stands. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

They are also awful at using their personnel in the manner that plays to their strength. We wanted to be more creative and be like the 49ers who use Deebo Samuel the way they did last year. Meanwhile they draft jalen reagor who can be used in very similar ways of how the niners use Deebo Samuel. Meanwhile we haven’t run one jet sweep with him. He has one rushing attempt on the year it really wasn’t even a rush as wentz just threw it slightly backwards. We definitely aren’t running enough crossing route across the field to utilize speed speed. And it’s not just him,  over the last three weeks we have seen a decline in targets for Travis Fulgham. He’s gone from 11 to 7 to 5. And it’s not just that they find ways to ignore him for large periods of time. And then we can’t understand that Carson Wentz isn’t playing great so we just ignore the running game when it’s working. Miles Sanders is this teams best player. There’s no question about it and yet he barely has 15 carries yesterday when for 3 quarters he’s running great. Add on when the running game is actually working we decide then to bring in Jalen hurts to do that package when there’s no need to do it because the running game is Fing working

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I also stated Frank Reich was the biggest loss we had since the Superbowl, and I stated that in early 2018, it still stands. 

Colts rank higher in most offensive stats, with ole @ss Phillip Rivers, a committee at RB and Nyheim Hines leading the way with 33 catches.  No WR has more than 30 catches.