9 hours ago, wtfcares said:

You need to watch other games in the league. 17 points doesn’t win you games in 2020. 
 

While the offense sure didn’t give up any turnovers today. They converted 0 third downs The entire game... that is almost as bad as the turnovers considering the field position it gives.

That's not on defense or offense. How are we not talking about ST? What in the hell was going on there? I guess Fipp noticed no ones been yelling about him so he needed his guys to F up too

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Oh no Wentz was late on one throw?  That probably cost us the game right there

Heres a thought: Wentz is tentative not because he forgot how to play football, but because we have some of the worst offensive coaching in the entire league.

Coaching that rotates OL every single game, randomly takes productive players off the field because theyre scared of veteran players, randomly inserts an unproductive QB into the game to justify a draft pick, refuses to call simple plays that work in favor of calling a game like a meth head.  

Im done with these coaches, theyre very bad.  Bottom 5 coaching staff in the league and the only reasons its not obvious is because the NFCE has been a nightmare and we've had poor injury luck

Worse and worse since 2017, how bad can we get before its enough?

I think it's bad that all of these OCs that Doug has hasn't been able to figure out what the problem is and fix it. It's like they're just ignoring that Wentz is struggling. I don't know how Lurie is ok with paying those contracts the the OC committee with no results

2 hours ago, greend said:

My honest opinion is that without a turnaround Doug gets fired at the end of this year.

Wow. Didn't expect that from you. I think they need to let him go as well but I think that is the least likely situation to happen. They NEED to let Howie and Schwartz go. They NEED to fix whatever the problem is with injuries every year

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

This is a tone deaf opinion.  I see it all the time.  Howie and the Eagles have never.........ever.....been this high over the cap.  In the past, he would have to work his magic to make things fit when we were close to the cap or barely over it.  He will have to work his magic.....(PURGE)......to even get below the cap.  Past history with managing the cap has nothing to do with 2021.  It's what happens when you kick the can with bad deals and old, washed up, injured players for so many years.  It comes home to roost.  I would be fine with a complete purge of the roster.  Only if Howie isn't the one making the draft picks.  

 

 

It's not magic. He just moves the cap. Next year we're going to have to deal with all of his magic from kicking the can down the road

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Also true.. or find that magic elixir that made the 2017, even the 2018 version of Wentz.  

I think a lot of that was OL trust.  He's not trusting his OL like he used to be able to.

 

I am not a guy that wants to pull the plug on a HC quickly, but I'm leaning that way now.  If not, then you take the entire coaching staff (minus Stoutland) and replace everyone else around Doug.   

 

Here's food for thought... What about bringing in Eric Bienemy as the new HC and bring Kafka with him as the OC and bring in Orlovsky as the QB coach?   Crazy?   Maybe, maybe not.

I was all in on Bienemy as a new HC but would he turn into Doug as well? I'm worried now about AR disciples

1 hour ago, metal said:

snap counts

Peters shouldn't take snaps over Mailata at LT anymore but he's a vet so it's his position

39 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Mailata should probably also be on the field. 

I didn't think they were actually going to be bench Mailata for Peters. I get a feeling it's because of the raise they gave Peters when he moved back to LT. Shame that Mailata will miss out on valuable snaps

3 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

Howie blows as a football guy, but I never question the money side of things. 

 

That's fine, however, Howie should not get to decide who gets extended, restructured , cut, etc. A new personnel guy is needed for those decisions, then they tell Howie who's contracts needs work and such. I do not want Howie's fingerprints on any personnel decisions anymore. Lurie needs to pull the plug. If not, then it's time to start questioning him. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Peters shouldn't take snaps over Mailata at LT anymore but he's a vet so it's his position

I didn't think they were actually going to be bench Mailata for Peters. I get a feeling it's because of the raise they gave Peters when he moved back to LT. Shame that Mailata will miss out on valuable snaps

It would be best for Mailata to gain reps for the future, JP is not the future, he isn't even the present, he is definitely the past.  Money should not be the deciding factor, ability should be. Peters knows more at this point, and the likelihood is that he gets hurt in the next game and Mailata is back in. 

But for Mailata's growth and continuity along the Oline, I would have left Mailata at LT and moved on. 

13 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

If there was any talent on this defense, do you think it would show itself? 

Cox, Graham, Mahlik Jackson, Hargrave, Slay, I'll wager they are all talented and yet hamstrung by the defensive scheme

First Brandon Graham is actually been really good this year. Like pro bowl caliber this year. So I’m not sure you want to lump him into this conversation because he’s actually been good

as for Darius slay I think he’s played well this year but what is killing Darius slay is the fact that the Eagles decided to ignore their number 2 corner position and their slot corner position is awful. You don’t get to have many opportunities to make playmaking type plays when teams purposely attack maddox And NRC Because they stink. This is an issue. I talked about it during the off-season saying I don’t trust maddox on the outside and they don’t have much else because you couldn’t trust Sidney Jones stay healthy and we saw Douglas I didn’t think fit well in this scheme  

as for Cox, Jackson and Hargrave they should be way more productive than what they are considering the fact they all making big-time money. This system is set up for them to thrive especially the talent this trio supposedly has. Fletcher Cox is an all time eagle but he is nowhere close to the same player he was two years ago. Now he will have games where he plays like that but it’s not consistent like it was during the 2017 and 2018 season. As for Hargrave I think he’s just overrated. Not that he’s not capable of being good I just think he’s overrated because the analytics last off-season said he was good. I don’t think he’s as good as the analytics showed i think some of it was product of a good Steelers defense. Some will say it’s the injury from the start of the season but I just don’t think he’s an overall scheme fit.  As for Malik we knew his strengths and weaknesses when we signed him. He was not great against the run in Jacksonville but he was a good pass rusher. I think you’re kind of seeing that playing itself out right now. I have less of an issue with Malik Jackson because I think he’s played decently well this season but he has boneheaded and stupid penalties

 

 

18 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

If Im Doug, I give up playcalling and dive headfirst into gameplanning.  That is the thing that is going to cost him his job.

Why are we planning to get Greg Ward into space?  More than one time???

Why does he let Duce control the RB snaps?  Miles should have had no less than 25 touches yesterday

Why cant we get a playcall in on time?  

Why does he allow players to decide where and when theyre playing?  The OL merry-go-round is absolutely killing this team

Why does Alshon deserve to step right in and play, and Fulgham becomes an afterthought??

Why does Jalen Hurts come onto the field arbitrarily?  We as fans need to know who is responsible for what is one of the worst, longest-running decisions Ive ever seen

Hey if everybody is responsible no one is, right?

Laurie in an effort to not let any one man have too much power to destroy the organization like with chip has gone the complete opposite direction where its way too many cooks in the kitchen without any direction or accountability.

I mean what the heck do the 15 Offensive coaches that laurie/roseman hired even do???

Who up in the analytics department is telling the coach to go for 2 when down by 4???

Why doesn't the coach over ride that?

Who is in charge of trotting out the o line weekly, roseman, doug, Stout, duce??? One of the other 15 unseen offensive coaches 

Who is designing the offense? Doug? His 15 OC whoever it is needs to go back to the drawing board.

Just seems like a lot of bad decisions are being made from top to bottom yet there isn't really a top or bottom just a big bowl of soup, yet whose got the spoon???

 

I agree with this article by Reub, but again would emphasize that just blaming the coaching is very shortsighted.  You also must hold the people accountable for the personnel decisions that led to this roster (and cap situation).

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/time-running-out-eagles-head-coach-doug-pederson-philly

 

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Lol it's something when the QB gets blamed for being too reckless and so he stops but then that shows how bad the game plan was

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

It would be best for Mailata to gain reps for the future, JP is not the future, he isn't even the present, he is definitely the past.  Money should not be the deciding factor, ability should be. Peters knows more at this point, and the likelihood is that he gets hurt in the next game and Mailata is back in. 

But for Mailata's growth and continuity along the Oline, I would have left Mailata at LT and moved on. 

I'd pretty much guarantee that Peters is starting at LT every game until he gets hurt again. Delaying the progression of a potential future starter so you can cater to your declining vet

2 minutes ago, Br3 said:

Sanders was pretty good. Scott even was good. Even Clement had a nice run. Don't know why we didn't run more. Wait yes I do...Doug

52 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

On the future...

I expect Lurie to insist Doug give up playcalling. I wonder if Doug would rather resign/"mutually agree to part ways" than to give up what he loves doing most.

If Doug is let go, I think the Eagles job is much more attractive than some folks think it is. As much as I can't stand watching the endless rollercoaster that is 2018-2020 Carson Wentz, I imagine quite a number of NFL "offensive guys" would jump at the opportunity to "fix" him.

Schwartz is gone. 100%. Are there betting odds on this?

Listening to Boomer Esiason the other day and he said if Wentz ever became Available Frank Reich would be all over him "loves him” is another term he used. 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol it's something when the QB gets blamed for being too reckless and so he stops but then that shows how bad the game plan was

2 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Listening to Boomer Esiason the other day and he said if Wentz ever became Available Frank Reich would be all over him "loves him” is another term he used. 

I would also bet if you got McVay and Kyle shanahan to tell you the truth that both of them would take Carson Wentz over their current quarterback. I think McVay knows the limitation of Jared Goff. It’s why against better teams he runs his offense the way he does. I don’t doubt for a minute under Shanahan or McVay that Carson Wentz would look better

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

But the eagles offense is so innovative and creative, the only reason doug doesn't call better plays is because of injury... Checks notes..." Eagles were the most healthy they have been since week one"

😒🤔

12 hours ago, schuy7 said:

People like to throw the idea around that Jones is doing well there. He isn't. He got toasted by Adams for a TD that was called back for offensive holding. Rodgers threw the ball way behind his WR on the INT. Sidney Jones isn't good.

They won't win the division, so don't worry.

Is he playing better with the Jaguars than he did with the Eagles? Does he have more picks than any of our db's on this team this year? That's a yes for both so technically he's still doing better than our defensive backs. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

But the eagles offense is so innovative and creative, the only reason doug doesn't call better plays is because of injury... Checks notes..." Eagles were the most healthy they have been since week one"

😒🤔

Snap counts just posted on twitter, all 5 O Lineman played every play.  

 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

But the eagles offense is so innovative and creative, the only reason doug doesn't call better plays is because of injury... Checks notes..." Eagles were the most healthy they have been since week one"

😒🤔

I got bashed for questioning the creativity during the bye week

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

They just acquired Hargrave.  Cox is older and slowing down.  They are not getting rid of Hargrave.  

They just restructured Cox so he isn't going anywhere. Malik can be traded 

Just now, downundermike said:

Snap counts just posted on twitter, all 5 O Lineman played every play.  

 

Yup I saw that. Ridiculous that a bunch of nfl decision makers got together and thought, let's out Peters at LT bench Mailata and start opeta at guard , because Peters has held this team at gun point???

Why the eff isn't peters playing guard when that's why he was brought back to play???

When seumalo cones back I imagine peters will still be at LT.

It's not that peters played horribly at LT but at the expense of getting a promising player snaps so one can pander to an aging no future vet is just another in a long line of bad decisions by this organization.

The weekly cluster F of weekly decisions by this staff makes the dream team look organized😒

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Snap counts just posted on twitter, all 5 O Lineman played every play.  

 

I don’t know how I put this any other way but why the hell is Alshon Jeffery playing over young guys who are going to be here for the future? There is absolutely no reason Alshon Jeffery should be playing here. Every time he’s on the field the office feels like it has no juice and just looks awful. Maybe it’s not a product of him but when he’s out there that’s what it look like for most of last year with what we saw yesterday

I remember Mr. Lurie firing chip kelly real fast towards the end of the season when all hell broke lose and the FANS and players lost faith. If I remember just really 1 bad bad year.

He has the balls to do it, if this train wreck keeps on picking up steam I can see him doing it.

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Snap counts just posted on twitter, all 5 O Lineman played every play.  

 

Hightower with only three snaps is hilarious. 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I got bashed for questioning the creativity during the bye week

Yup I remember, those same posters and they know who they are are all pretty quiet today.

This offense had been blah for the last few years now, there's nothing innovative about it.

I was told over and over again it was due to injuries at OL

To which I said if ones offense is only effective when one has 4 all pro I lineman then maybe its the offense that's the problem.

Giants have a bunch of scrubs on their o line and they handled the eagles over paid d line.

The excuse of injuries only goes so far to explain the lack of any thing resembling innovation.

One example is the hurts package. Did the eagles really draft hurts in the 2nd round so Wentz could play WR for 2 snaps a game???

It's nice when a team is loyal to it's vets but it's a fine line between loyal and getting taken behind the woodshed

Peters and Alshon shouldn't take snaps away from younger guys just because they're finally healthy. It's a waste of money but that's what Howie gets for these contracts

Little worried how long they'll keep JJAW now too

28 minutes ago, John_C said:

I agree with this article by Reub, but again would emphasize that just blaming the coaching is very shortsighted.  You also must hold the people accountable for the personnel decisions that led to this roster (and cap situation).

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/time-running-out-eagles-head-coach-doug-pederson-philly

 

Where Doug is accountable is in the coaching staff and playcalling.  At the very least, he needs to let go of playcalling as he has been abysmal this year. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know how I put this any other way but why the hell is Alshon Jeffery playing over young guys who are going to be here for the future? There is absolutely no reason Alshon Jeffery should be playing here. Every time he’s on the field the office feels like it has no juice and just looks awful. Maybe it’s not a product of him but when he’s out there that’s what it look like for most of last year with what we saw yesterday

Yup. Hightower while not perfect can take the top off the defense jeffrey just muddles things up,he was slow before the injury he's not miraculously quicker faster. 

Why not put reagor hightower and fulgham on the field at once and use ward in 4 WR sets.

I like ward but he's barely JAG.

Reagor fulgham hightower on the field would bring more speed and get all 3 young guys much needed snaps and allow Carson to grow with them. 

Putting Alshon out there accomplishes nothing.