3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So besides just being a bad football team we are also Fing stupid (not benching JJAW more increasing alshon reps). great

Being Fing stupid is what leads to a bad football team

We've basically got nothing from our 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks the last 2 years.

Now granted Dillard and Reagor have shown potential in very limited time but overall its disappointing the production we've received from all those guys.

Just now, NCiggles said:

He's never been a great practice player.  

Agreed, but this was phrased more in the way that he's purposely being sloppy

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Well... frankly, the bad snaps are on Kelce.   But that doesn't change the fact that playing Hurts has "hurts" the team.

I am not sure playing Hurts is what "hurts" or whether calling the same play every single snap he takes is the problem.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It wasn't about the fans losing faith.   It was about the players.   And we'll see if this group of players quits on Doug.  So far, they never have.   If they do, then I think Lurie will... but if they don't, I don't see it happening.

Lurie is in a really tight spot.

He's got undying loyalty to Howie, superbowl loyalty to Doug, and massive financial ties to Wentz....and a team with very little resources or opportunity to be much different in 2021.  

Option 1: Do nothing, maintain loyalties, keep at it.  Then it's nearly impossible to sell the fans into any excitement for 2021.  If 2021 goes bad, then Lurie knows he's going to be the one in the crosshairs, not Doug, not Howie, not Wentz.

Option 2: Scapegoat one of the 3.  It keeps the angry fans at bay, makes it easier to argue that you aggressively want to compete and will not tolerate failure.  Doug without Wentz in 2021 with...Hurts???.  Wentz as our QB with 1 offseason with a new HC and with the same talent on offense.  Doug/Wentz without Howie and with one draft of rookies from a new GM.   All 3 of those options are going to be bad teams in 2021.  So you can scapegoat 1, for one offseason, and then watch the remaining 2 fail later. Then what do you do?

Option 3: Clean house.  Lurie does not go for brash moves like this. 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

So does playing Alshon and JJAW.

yup.   And Peters.   He wasn't bad yesterday, but he's not the future.  They need to develop the kids.  No more Alshon, Peters or any old vet that shouldn't be back... that includes Malik Jackson.  Play McGill instead.   

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

They asked about Peters at guard and Mailata at LT and Doug said no

Looks like Peters will be the foreseeable LT until he gets hurt again

So about a week

Doug said he doesn't want to make a change to change

So more bad play calling and bad personnel decisions. Maybe Doug does get let go at the end

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Doug said they never considered Mailata at LT and Peters at G

Peters has "settled in"

And Doug reiterated the best spot for Mailata to learn is the bench.

Whoever is deciding these things suck.

Best spot for Mailata is to be playing and learning.  If he was out there and playing terrible then you have a point.

Just now, NCiggles said:

I am not sure playing Hurts is what "hurts" or whether calling the same play every single snap he takes is the problem.  

Changes the flow having to bring him in... different cadence on the snap count, and they seem to think bringing him in is creative enough, not what they do with him.    Just said.  So, having him out there 'hurts' for a variety of reasons, all of which ends up in a wasted down... and sometimes a penalty.   But, hey, there was that one game where he provided a spark when Miles Sanders was out and they were super desperate... before every team figured out what he does every time is the same.   Miles Sanders is the spark... just use him.

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Everyone check off "anonymous sources" from your bingo cards!

Apparently anonymous sources are saying Wentz is sloppy in practice

Both anonymous and confirmed sources are saying Wentz is sloppy in games.

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Whoever is deciding these things suck.

Best spot for Mailata is to be playing and learning.  If he was out there and playing terrible then you have a point.

He was pretty bad the last couple games...

22 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

No! You will suffer with the rest of us!

25 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Doug said he felt good about the play calls yesterday...

When a chess player loses one never heard them say, well you know I lost but I feel good about the moves I made.

It's just unacceptable for a coach to say in o e sentence, this is on me I need to do better, and in his next breath say, I felt good about my play calls.

It's an incongruent message that has bled into the players.

What's to stop them after a loss from saying the same. Well we lost and I need to be better but I felt good about the way I played...

17 minutes ago, greend said:

I mean wouldn't "analytics" tell you to do the opposite of what Doug did? 

I would hope so. I’m all in favor of aggressiveness, but it needs to be under control and not wreckless. 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Lurie is in a really tight spot.

He's got undying loyalty to Howie, superbowl loyalty to Doug, and massive financial ties to Wentz....and a team with very little resources or opportunity to be much different in 2021.  

Option 1: Do nothing, maintain loyalties, keep at it.  Then it's nearly impossible to sell the fans into any excitement for 2021.  If 2021 goes bad, then Lurie knows he's going to be the one in the crosshairs, not Doug, not Howie, not Wentz.

Option 2: Scapegoat one of the 3.  It keeps the angry fans at bay, makes it easier to argue that you aggressively want to compete and will not tolerate failure.  Doug without Wentz in 2021 with...Hurts???.  Wentz as our QB with 1 offseason with a new HC and with the same talent on offense.  Doug/Wentz without Howie and with one draft of rookies from a new GM.   All 3 of those options are going to be bad teams in 2021.  So you can scapegoat 1, for one offseason, and then watch the remaining 2 fail later. Then what do you do?

Option 3: Clean house.  Lurie does not go for brash moves like this. 

Why would Lurie care if he's in the cross hairs? He can't be fired

This was one of Dougs worst pressers 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Lurie is in a really tight spot.

He's got undying loyalty to Howie, superbowl loyalty to Doug, and massive financial ties to Wentz....and a team with very little resources or opportunity to be much different in 2021.  

Option 1: Do nothing, maintain loyalties, keep at it.  Then it's nearly impossible to sell the fans into any excitement for 2021.  If 2021 goes bad, then Lurie knows he's going to be the one in the crosshairs, not Doug, not Howie, not Wentz.

Option 2: Scapegoat one of the 3.  It keeps the angry fans at bay, makes it easier to argue that you aggressively want to compete and will not tolerate failure.  Doug without Wentz in 2021 with...Hurts???.  Wentz as our QB with 1 offseason with a new HC and with the same talent on offense.  Doug/Wentz without Howie and with one draft of rookies from a new GM.   All 3 of those options are going to be bad teams in 2021.  So you can scapegoat 1, for one offseason, and then watch the remaining 2 fail later. Then what do you do?

Option 3: Clean house.  Lurie does not go for brash moves like this. 

No, he doesn't.   But the current dysfunction is a multi-tiered problem.

 

Let's take each separately... 
Howie... put him back in the closet if Lurie can't say good bye to his woobie.  But, he's kicked the can as far as he could and gone too far to the opposite of Banner.  Banner jettisoned players at 30... Sometimes a little early... but, it kept costs down, kept youth rolling through the roster and it was up to the personnel people and coaches to fill the voids.  Howie has locked this team into too many aging and declining players, who then eat extra cap space, steal reps from the next generation, and contribute little to nothing until they inevitably get injured.  Sproles, Peters, Alshon, Desean... all are guys that have really stolen money from this organization and holding on to them has set us back.   And that's not even mentioning the draft misses.   Time to move on.

Doug... offense is stale.  They can make a change and bring in new voices.   I truly believe there is some talent on this roster, and speed that's not being exploited, AND moving on from Doug eliminates the loyalty to old tired players that should have been put out to pasture a while ago.  Time to turn the page to the youth, and not keep retreading the same old tired bodies.  New voice in the locker room brings energy, just because there is no history and no perceived safety in your position.  Everyone has to earn it.

Wentz... he's not going anywhere due to the money.  But a fresh set of eyes, new voice and a new vision might help to rebuild his confidence.  If not, you have a year to figure it out and then decide if the time to move on has come and start with a new QB for the new coach in Year 2.   The hired coach really gets a 'mulligan' year to start and try to rebuild with what's here since they can't do much to add talent anyway.  And if he wants to clean house and get really cheap... to build from the ground up, so be it.  But, Wentz will be here regardless.   Maybe have a decent year with him, then move him to Indy for something.  But, cap wise, he's a fixture.

Good for Philadelphia and it’s officials to see the current climate and act appropriately. They are taking this seriously and really care about its citizens....

 

... in that no one should be forced to watch this train wreck in person. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This was one of Dougs worst pressers 

"That's a great idea, something we'll have to look into?"

Luries decision was made the minute they tendered that mega deal to Carson

There is no Doug vs Carson debate.  The only debate is which coach or FO employee takes the fall for this disaster

 

If Doug is smart he is in Luries office this morning pounding the table to have his "helpers" sent down the road so that Doug can do what he wants to do on the offensive side of the ball.  Its too late for defense, Schwartz is on his own.

Doug can either fail with unwanted helpers (like hes doing now) or have a chance to succeed on his own and clear his name.

If Doug can figure this out, he might survive.  But if we continue to see a muddled incoherent offensive gameplan with baffling decisions all over the field, there is no doubt he will be the scapegoat

20 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Question whose idea was it to not have an OC.?Was that a howie lurie decision? A howie pederson decision?. A howie decision, a pederson decision???

I mean what's the point of the 15 Offensive coaches what the heck does Marty do, scagnarillo, and all the other guys.

The eagles offense is a toy reject from the island of misfit toys.

FYP

Oh and if Carson is sloppy in practice who's fault is that?

3 minutes ago, greend said:

"That's a great idea, something we'll have to look into?"

That tells me that Hurts was a Howie thing.  From Howie defending it the next day, to the coaches' lack of a plan to get him on the field, it screams "Howie" to me.

If true, I feel for Doug there, it must be infuriating.  It makes no sense to do it and they keep doing it

12 minutes ago, greend said:

Why would Lurie care if he's in the cross hairs? He can't be fired

Ego

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, as HC.    I don't know if he can lead a whole team.  Frankly, no one knows about these guys until they get a shot.  I don't like retread HCs.  I don't see them working out that often.   I much prefer the new guy, and maybe with an old salt former HC that shouldn't have been given the reigns to partner with.  

 

We were laughing at the Giants and Joe Judge.  He's looking like he knows what he's doing.  The Giants are a team lacking in talent, but he's got them playing hard, playing disciplined and with his QB not turning the ball over... ready to win some games.   

Yup I was kind of miffed a few weeks ago when the board was ripping joe judge as a horrible coach. I've seen nothing from him to suggest hes lost or in over his head or his team doesn't or hasn't responded to him.

He's made sound game management calls all year, his players and team is getting better and playing hard.

There aren't any grumblings like in dallas with mccarthy or any thing really to suggest hes the next Dave campo or jim zorn both coaches whom were obviously way in over their heads as head coaches. 

Meanwhile Doug is on the sideline looking just as confused as he does during pressers.