13 minutes ago, RLC said:

I liked Jefferson as a prospect, just not for us. Scheme fit matters. 

Jefferson gets to play in the slot/tight splits against simple coverages because of the Vikings run game. His biggest plays last night happened by attacking zone coverage (sitting in zones). 

We got gifted Travis Fulgham and didn't use him for more Alshon Jeffrey snaps and Rodgers/Ward targets. So no, I don't think getting Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs/Jefferson over Reagor matters either the way given how the QB/Coaching staff are executing.

Not sure I agree with that assessment.  Jeffery came in for about 13 snaps, he seemed to take them from Hightower, who got only 3.  Fulgham's snaps looked about the same as he has been getting.

5 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Just watched the Foles injury.

That's what happens when you have a seive for an O line.

Sound familiar?

I didn't even think he was tackled all that hard honestly. Sorry but Nick is made of glass

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

A track record? One year and the odd game here and there? That's not a track record. The simple truth is outside of 2017 Wentz is an average QB with an average record. 

 

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If we’re talking about the simple truth outside of 2017 and a few games here and there the gameplan/play calling has been inconsistent or bad and maximizing and utilizing guys to their strength up until the month of December has been bad for pretty much four out of the five years.

Let’s take it a step further. If we are being honest with ourselves if it wasn’t for Kirk cousins being Kirk Cousins the Eagles don’t make the playoffs in 2018 and if it wasn’t for the NFC East being a dumpster fire in 2019 they also miss the playoffs. The Eagles have had a series of fortunate events just to be a playoff team but that is not the ultimate goal. The goal is to establish a sustainable Super Bowl contender. They’ve basically failed to be a consistent super bowl contender except in 2017. Now they’re some circumstances that couldnt been foreseen and some of it is just bad moves, poor coaching and players regressing.

Let’s just call it like it is:

2016: promising rookie

2017: elite with a big injury.

2018: average production with excuses and a big injury.

2019: average to below average production with excuses.

2020: one of the leagues worst starting qbs

Put it all together however you like. 

 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

I didn't even think he was tackled all that hard honestly. Sorry but Nick is made of glass

Which is a shame.

3 minutes ago, greend said:

I didn't even think he was tackled all that hard honestly. Sorry but Nick is made of glass

WHAT?  How soon you forget some of the hits he took here

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Which is a shame.

Agree, Nick is my 2nd favorite Q.B. in the NFL

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure I agree with that assessment.  Jeffery came in for about 13 snaps, he seemed to take them from Hightower, who got only 3.  Fulgham's snaps looked about the same as he has been getting.

18 according to the stat sheet

Just now, Asg 15 said:

WHAT?  How soon you forget some of the hits he took here

You mean like the time he broke his collar bone on a not very hard hit as well?

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

18 according to the stat sheet

Which is 17 too many

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

WHAT?  How soon you forget some of the hits he took here

What are you reacting to?   Glass doesn't break every time its dropped... but eventually it does.  Nick has never played 16 games in a season, including the ones that he starts from the beginning.  He's always gotten hurt.  Check it for yourself.

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

18 according to the stat sheet

ok.   Still, I'm pretty sure they came from Hightower's snap count, not Fulgham's.

2 minutes ago, greend said:

You mean like the time he broke his collar bone on a not very hard hit as well?

Which is 17 too many

Interesting number.    🤔

No one is going to question Nick Foles’ toughness, but that doesn’t mean he is not exceptionally injury prone.  Things in his body just break easier.  

The New Normal

15 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You said Lurie forced personnel on to him.  That's categorically untrue.

 

He did.  Chip had ultimate accountability when he wasn't necessarily looking for it - he wanted Howie out of there remember and Lurie flexed him. 

9 hours ago, Br3 said:

If only there was a way for the fans to run the next draft. What is there to lose? If we completely fail then that would fall in line with every other Eagles draft

I think we need a panel from the blog. JR must be included for OL

Great. First, the Eagles take the loss to the Giants on Sunday. One day later:

 

8 minutes ago, hoosierdaddy said:

The New Normal

The old abnormal

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I think we need a panel from the blog. JR must be included for OL

Absolutely.

The scary and perhaps very sad thing is if you threw out the Eagles scouts and personnel group’s years of work and evaluations, and just took the fan consensus pick or ran a Tate poll for each selection, you would end up with more talent and likely a better team that what these people have produced.  I’ve argued that Lurie should fire them all and just call Mel Kiper and take whoever he says.  Would be in better shape than they are.

When you draft this poorly for this long the end result is what you see now on Sunday each week.  You can try to patch it up with free agents or continue to mortgage future years assets in trades, but that only goes so far.

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I think we need a panel from the blog. JR must be included for OL

Count me out. I suck at evaluating college talent (but even I questioned the JJAW pick)

1 minute ago, greend said:

Count me out. I suck at evaluating college talent (but even I questioned the JJAW pick)

Someone said it before and I agree....there is no need, no way you should ever take an f'ing PAC 12 player......Ertz is the exception, not the rule.  And if you missed out on Ertz by using this rule and just picked SCC players.....I'm almost certain this team would be in a lot better shape.

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But is that reason why we should stick with Wentz and not look to improve?

For me the QBs that would be doing a better job in this current situation?

Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, Murray, Burrows, Jackson, Allen, Carr, Herbert, Brees, Brady, Big Ben.

I mean Wentz has been a bottom 5 QB this year. I think a lot of guys would have been able to do more with what this team has. 

Where did i say they should not look to improve if they felt that way? However wentz’s contract makes that very unlikely because of the dead money involved in his contract. 
 

i didn’t ask which would be better in the current situation i asked which would make this team with poor coaching, a poor roster construction and misusing of players strengths a super bowl contender. 

Most of the guys you mention aren’t making the eagles a super bowl contender. Would the eagles be slightly or better? Yes but better doesn’t mean you are a SB contender. Burrow isn’t making this eagles team a SB contender this year. Neither is jackson who’s not been  nearly as good this year as well. Go ask the ravens why they’ve struggled on offense against better teams this year. Big Ben is 9-0 cause he has one of the healthiest and best olines in the league, weapons galore and a top 5 defense. He doesn’t have that here. Carr is not making this a super bowl contender. He isn’t a SB contender with Vegas and they have a better roster than the eagles. Herbert also has been good but the chargers even while he’s been good are still a 2-3 win team currently with a roster similar to the eagles  

So like i said only about 5-6 QBs right now if you put them on the eagles would be a SB contender: mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, possibly Murray and Allen. I do not think brees even makes it through the season here with how the oline was early. He has one of the best olines in the league, one of the best coaches in the league, a stacked roster and got knocked out 

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

Let’s just call it like it is:

2016: promising rookie

2017: elite with a big injury.

2018: average production with excuses and a big injury.

2019: average to below average production with excuses.

2020: one of the leagues worst starting qbs

Put it all together however you like. 

 

If you are saying that the Eagles' organization took a promising rookie who achieved elite status in his second year and subsequently ruined him, then I cannot argue.

43 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

No one is going to question Nick Foles’ toughness, but that doesn’t mean he is not exceptionally injury prone.  Things in his body just break easier.  

Yup.

29 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

He did.  Chip had ultimate accountability when he wasn't necessarily looking for it - he wanted Howie out of there remember and Lurie flexed him. 

Nope.  He wanted control.   He got control.  He lost control.    Chip was 100% an egomaniac.  I can't even understand how that's not incredible obvious to you.  Chip made a power play.  He got what he wanted.  He lost.    Cause, here's the thing... when you decide that you don't like the guy above you and the decisions that guy is making... you can bring in someone else UNDER you, and you can do what that guy is telling you to do, as if he were your boss, even though he's just a consultant or whatever.  Chip got what he wanted, and couldn't handle it.  And he's had so much success elsewhere you can really see that he's got it right now.    please.    Lurie didn't force anything on Chip that Chip didn't fight to get.  He couldn't handle the truth.

56 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

Let’s just call it like it is:

2016: promising rookie

2017: elite with a big injury.

2018: average production with excuses and a big injury.

2019: average to below average production with excuses.

2020: one of the leagues worst starting qbs

Put it all together however you like. 

 

If we are going to call being 5th in the nfl in td passes and 9th in total passing yards average and had one of the best td to int ratios in 2019 then we have different views of average to below average production. I will say he wasn’t mr. consistent but if you are talking simply production then i wouldn’t consider that average. 

29 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I think we need a panel from the blog. JR must be included for OL

Nah.  The reality is that most just want to brag about the ones that they got right, and try to bury the innumerable times they were wrong.