Just now, Ace Nova said:

You guys can all complain all you want about "dumping everyone and starting over" but there's about a 0% chance of that happening.  So you can either be miserable for the next year and a half or you can figure out how to make this team better with what we have.

Wentz was the "franchise QB" and 90% of the fans, including this blog, wanted him here no matter what.  Well, he will be here until at least the end of 2021.  I hope he turns it around because nothing major is going to change in terms of management, coaching etc. 

If they make a change,. it will be with the QB first, then down down the line.  They will give Pederson every chance they can to continue to prove himself.  Wentz' leash is shorter than Pederson's at this point.

Great, do I get the pay that goes with this?

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I understand what you're saying.  I'm just ready to get out of the AR coaching tree.  I think it's clear now that 2017 was lightning in a bottle.  Every other year with an AR kind of team we are pulling our hair out in frustration.  It seems the same questions are asked over and over again.

I think we've picked enough fruit off that tree.  It's time to go to another orchard/forest and find someone who can inject new blood, new life in to this franchise.  We saw success with AR when he had Donovan and some with Vick.  DP goes us the Lombardi.  I just feel it's time for a whole new direction.

Frankly I don’t really care if it’s from the andy tree or from somebody else. I’m not going to pass up on a guy like Eric beinemy and watch him go somewhere else and have success because I just didn’t want to go from the Andy Reid coaching tree again.  It’s almost the same thing like saying well I don’t want to Belichick coach cause they consistently flop but then Miami wouldn’t have Brian Flores who’s been amazing for that dolphins team. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I think JJAW, Hurts and Davion Taylor have really just ruined Howie for most of us.  

I mean did you forget Marcus Smith, Donnell Pumphrey, Sydney Jones...

 

I actually am OK with the Taylor pick.  I would like them to get Taylor and Bradley on the field at the same time. 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You guys can all complain all you want about "dumping everyone and starting over" but there's about a 0% chance of that happening.  So you can either be miserable for the next year and a half or you can figure out how to make this team better with what we have.

Wentz was the "franchise QB" and 90% of the fans, including this blog, wanted him here no matter what.  Well, he will be here until at least the end of 2021.  I hope he turns it around because nothing major is going to change in terms of management, coaching etc. 

With Howie, I agree. He's not patient enough.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You guys can all complain all you want about "dumping everyone and starting over" but there's about a 0% chance of that happening.  So you can either be miserable for the next year and a half or you can figure out how to make this team better with what we have.

Wentz was the "franchise QB" and 90% of the fans, including this blog, wanted him here no matter what.  Well, he will be here until at least the end of 2021.  I hope he turns it around because nothing major is going to change in terms of management, coaching etc. 

If they make a change,. it will be with the QB first, then down down the line.  They will give Pederson every chance they can to continue to prove himself.  Wentz' leash is shorter than Pederson's at this point.

If I can't come here to complain, I am going to have to take up a new hobby.  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I mean did you forget Marcus Smith, Donnell Pumphrey, Sydney Jones...

 

I actually am OK with the Taylor pick.  I would like them to get Taylor and Bradley on the field at the same time. 

We’re finding out that Sydney can actually play, and Rasul isn’t really that bad. All of sudden Avonte Maddox isn’t very good. Is it all player(s) or scheme maybe?

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Tate was a good trade, the mistake there was letting him walk and keeping the stiff Nelson. 

Tate was not a good trade.  They were not a team that was going to go anywhere.  Tate may have been a nice player but he wasn't what that team needed and then DP couldn't even figure out how to use him.  

That trade was Howie/DP not understanding the talent of the team and how good they actually were.  That's a problem.  As a coach you want to win every game/be confident in your team but you also have to have a realistic outlook for them.  You can't look at that team and say they are a Golden Tate away from winning the SB.  Especially at the cost of a 3rd round pick.  Then you bring back Nelson instead of him and he walks so you're out a 3rd for 8 game rental.  You pay more for the inferior player who also walks following that year and Tate goes to your rival and plays well against us now.

Part of the Eagles problem right now is their inability to look in the mirror and be honest about who they are but at the same time look 2-3 years down the road.  This team sucks.  They are in first place by default at 3 wins.  They should not be playing veterans.  We should be seeing what every single young guy has to know what we have to build with down the road.  Mailata, Hightower, Watkins (remember the hype around him?) Wallace, Bradley, Taylor should all be playing significant snaps.  Instead we have to watch JP, Alshon, JAG LB, Mills (who I want to like at safety) and the rest continue to play.  

The team reeks of arrogance from Lurie on down.  He thinks the Eagles are the gold standard.  Howie thinks he's some cap wizard and wheeling dealing trade magician.  DP thinks he's the riverboat gambler and winning SBs is the new normal.  Carson thinks he's a top 5 QB and he just needs to keep working at it and learning (empty words when you don't).  JP thought he deserved to be paid like a starting LT and so on and so on.  

 

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Hero ball accounts for some of the problems.  He also isn't processing things as quickly as he should.  I keep thinking about the 4th and 3 play against Dallas. Ward should have been the hot read because pressure was coming from the MLB spot right where Ward's route was headed.  It wasn't a hard throw to make but it required a quick decision.   Wentz totally missed it. He just didn't react to the pressure in the right way and took a sack/fumble.  It wasn't hero ball but a lack of processing the field in front of him.  He didn't. I think an above average QB makes that throw.  A top 5-10 QB makes that throw look easy.  Wentz has had too many plays like that this season.  

And I wonder how much the coaching is affecting this part? 

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You guys can all complain all you want about "dumping everyone and starting over" but there's about a 0% chance of that happening.  So you can either be miserable for the next year and a half or you can figure out how to make this team better with what we have.

Wentz was the "franchise QB" and 90% of the fans, including this blog, wanted him here no matter what.  Well, he will be here until at least the end of 2021.  I hope he turns it around because nothing major is going to change in terms of management, coaching etc. 

If they make a change,. it will be with the QB first, then down down the line.  They will give Pederson every chance they can to continue to prove himself.  Wentz' leash is shorter than Pederson's at this point.

I will disagree with that point. First listening to Adam caplan last night on 975 Jeffrey lurie apparently has said to the staff and inside the Eagles organization that he is not happy with the offense before the Dallas game. Or how the offense was being called/running. Second Carson Wentz has significant dead money in 2021 and 2022. So he is going to be here regardless of whether people want him here or not until at least the end of 2022. They are not having a 59 mil dead money hit into 2021 and also a 24.5 dead money hit in 2022. Third if I was going to go with another quarterback why would I want Doug pederson who would’ve failed at that point with Carson Wentz (Who this franchise believed was going to be a top-five quarterback when they trade it up to get him) to be the guy that is molding my next franchise quarterback. Lastly they forced Doug Peterson to fire coaches he didn’t want to fire and he had to go hire new guys he didn’t even want. So you’re telling me Doug has that much pull inside the organization meanwhile they won’t even let him keep coaches he wants to keep a day after his press conference he said he was going to keep them? I firmly believe that Doug’s leash is as short if not shorter. Heck I think if the Eagles ask Doug to give up playcalling doug might just call it quits and walk away

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

If they make a change,. it will be with the QB first, then down down the line.  They will give Pederson every chance they can to continue to prove himself.  Wentz' leash is shorter than Pederson's at this point.

Disagree. Coaches go before the QBs all the time. Easier to replace a coach over a QB, esp when the coaching is the problem with the QB. Sadly both will be back next year, they will use no offseason as a scape goat. But in the end, Doug needs to give up the OC role or go. i dont think he will ever give it up so we know option number 2. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly I don’t really care if it’s from the andy tree or from somebody else. I’m not going to pass up on a guy like Eric beinemy and watch him go somewhere else and have success because I just didn’t want to go from the Andy Reid coaching tree again.  It’s almost the same thing like saying well I don’t want to Belichick coach cause they consistently flop but then Miami wouldn’t have Brian Flores who’s been amazing for that dolphins team. 

I want to hear reasons why so many are high on Bienemy.  I honestly just don't see it.  I don't dislike him at all, I just don't know what people see in him to think he's the guy I want to come run my team from now on.  Has he done anything innovative in KC?  Has he made players better?  Frankly I just see a guy who gets to play with the best toys in the toy box.  

12 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Doug is too proud to give up being the OC so the only way to get a OC to replace him is to fire him. So your looking for a new coach before an OC. Could hire a OC minded coach or if we go DC he will want to hire his own OC. 

I honestly think Doug wants to win more than he wants have his ego assuaged.  I just think he believes in his abilities.  Groh wasn't working so he wanted to try this different approach that is akin to staffing structure in San Fran, LA and NO.  They brought someone in that was from that SF and who wasn't a disciple of Reid's in Scarangello.  I think there is a problem with too many voices in the room.  I don't think Duce does a good enough job developing a run game utilizing non-RBs.  I don't see any use of motion on a consistent basis.  They don't use enough play action.  They don't move the pocket enough for Wentz.  All of these things may be related to play calling but I also think it shows a lack of focus.  It's almost as if when everyone is responsible then no one is responsible type syndrome.  

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I will disagree with that point. First listening to Adam caplan last night on 975 Jeffrey lurie apparently has said to the staff and inside the Eagles organization that he is not happy with the offense before the Dallas game. Or how the offense was being called/running. Second Carson Wentz has significant dead money in 2021 and 2022. So he is going to be here regardless of whether people want him here or not until at least the end of 2022. They are not having a 59 mil dead money hit into 2021 and also a 24.5 dead money hit in 2022. Third if I was going to go with another quarterback why would I want Doug pederson who would’ve failed at that point with Carson Wentz (Who this franchise believed was going to be a top-five quarterback when they trade it up to get him) to be the guy that is molding my next franchise quarterback. Lastly they forced Doug Peterson to fire coaches he didn’t want to fire and he had to go higher new guys he didn’t even want. So you’re telling me Doug has that much pull inside the organization meanwhile they won’t even let him keep coaches he wants to keep a day after his press conference he said he was going to keep them? I firmly believe that Doug would be gone before Carson

I'd wager anything you'd like that Wentz will be benched before they let Pederson go.  They would, without question, want to see what this offense looks like with a different (higher end) QB under center before they let their Super Bowl winning coach go. 

I couldn't care less what Eagles beat writers "think will" happen.  That's what happens with every respected coach ever.  First change QB to see if he can still make it work...then go from there.  A-B-C.

 

 

4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Disagree. Coaches go before the QBs all the time. 

That's usually only the case when you have:

A.  A proven winning QB (including the playoffs)

B. A young, "true franchise QB" (First 1-2 years in the league)

Wentz is neither at this point.

 

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Mel.... Kiper.... please.  He knows a lot about college players... not sure I'd say he knows that much about projecting talent to the NFL.   That said, the hit rate in the NFL makes you question their ability as well.

One of the greatest draft day moments ever.    For those too young to know... this was after Mel Kiper called out the Colts (and Polian, specifically) for taking Trev Alberts over the stud Trent Dilfer.   In retrospect, Dilfer got a Super Bowl with the Ravens, and Alberts never amounted to much in the NFL due to injury every year and he retired after 3 seasons.   BUT...Dilfer was touted by Kiper as a guy who would change the fate of a franchise... turns out, he wasn't.   Dilfer was putrid with the Bucs, then went to the Ravens as a backup and was the 'QB' (if you can call him that) for a team that failed to score an offensive TD in 9 consecutive games en route to their Super Bowl.   His job was to not lose the game, and to let the running game and the defense win it for them.   Dilfer was terrible.

That was a great moment... Pick Kiper, your favorite analyst or your favorite TATER, you would have a better and more talented team if <they> had been doing our drafting versus the current group.  Fire the entire current group, find the next leader and let them put a new team together.  Or just call your favorite analyst when you are on the clock, it would be an improvement over what they have been doing.

54 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Speaking of institutional failure, consider the production the Eagles have realized from their round 1 through round 3 draft picks over the past four years:

2020:  Reagor, Hurts, Taylor

2019:  Dillard, Sanders, Arcega-Whiteside

2018:  Goedert

2017:  Barnett, Jones, Douglas

   

Bingo!  This is the key point.  It's brutal.  And you don't have the Trent Coles and Jason Kelces and other diamonds in the rough, either.  Go back further and other years look the same way.

It's time for change.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'd wager anything you'd like that Wentz will be benched before they let Pederson go.  They would, without question, want to see what this offense looks like with a different (higher end) QB under center before they let their Super Bowl winning coach go. 

I couldn't care less what Eagles beat writers "think will" happen.  That's what happens with every respected coach ever.  First change QB to see if he can still make it work...then go from there.  A-B-C.

 

 

That doesn’t mean Doug Pederson is going to outlast Carson wentz in Philadelphia. Do I agree they would go to a back up quarterback before they fired doug? Duh. But that doesn’t mean Doug’s not gonna get fired before Carson Wentz is out of Philadelphia. I guarantee you if they put In hurts and hurts looks just as bad as Carson guess who’s getting fired? and when they bring in a new coach they might want to try to salvage Carson wentz. So you’re talking about a short leash Carson Wentz is here through 2022 I can’t say the same thing about Doug Peterson. I think the offense sucks next year doug is likely to go get fired meanwhile the eagles are on the hook for 25 mil in dead money with Carson with 6 mil cap savings  

and that was not what the beat writers think will happen that was what was told to them from someone in the organization that Jeffrey lurie has said and what is known in the organization. That’s not what caplan thinks that’s what was said to him from someone inside the organization. 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I'd wager anything you'd like that Wentz will be benched before they let Pederson go.  They would, without question, want to see what this offense looks like with a different (higher end) QB under center before they let their Super Bowl winning coach go. 

I couldn't care less what Eagles beat writers "think will" happen.  That's what happens with every respected coach ever.  First change QB to see if he can still make it work...then go from there.  A-B-C.

 

 

Benched maybe, but not gone. And if he is benched Doug better pray that somehow Hurts pulls his bacon out of the fire because if he benches Wentz and it looks worse, nail in coffin.

Doug absolutely knows he's on the hot seat, why do you think he's been acting like more of a **** lately?

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That's usually only the case when you have:

A.  A proven winning QB (including the playoffs)

B. A young, "true franchise QB" (First 1-2 years in the league)

Wentz is neither at this point.

 

 

in your opinion, but that doesn't matter- whats Jeff and Howies opinion? 

Thats all that matters. DO they think Wentz is Proven and a Young True Franchise QB talent.

 

And i think they do. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I want to hear reasons why so many are high on Bienemy.  I honestly just don't see it.  I don't dislike him at all, I just don't know what people see in him to think he's the guy I want to come run my team from now on.  Has he done anything innovative in KC?  Has he made players better?  Frankly I just see a guy who gets to play with the best toys in the toy box.  

I was just using him as an example. I’m not going to disregard him simply because he’s on the Andy Reid coaching tree. The same reason why team shouldn’t have disregarded coaches from the belichick coaching tree because they haven’t had a ton of success. That’s how Miami wouldn’t of had Brian Flores

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

That's usually only the case when you have:

A.  A proven winning QB (including the playoffs)

B. A young, "true franchise QB" (First 1-2 years in the league)

Wentz is neither at this point.

 

 

We will see, but I think most are wrong about Lurie. Hes not dumb. Just because hes not publicly bashing like Jerry Jones does, doesnt mean he doesnt see the issues. I bet he knows Doug only made the playoffs the last 2 years off pure luck and bad div. Im sure Lurie understands 4 out of 5 years under Doug this Offense has been sub par and worst in the league in first half points due to poor game planning. Lurie pays attention to these things more then most think. Im guessing hes sees more in Carson then he does in Doug. 

Just like Reid, Im sure at the end of the season Lurie will have his normal press conf and say the job is not good enough and unless there is a significant change, he will step in. Said the same about Reid the year before he cut him loose and Im betting he respected Reid more then Doug. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I was just using him as an example. I’m not going to disregard him simply because he’s on the Andy Reid coaching tree. The same reason why team shouldn’t have disregarded coaches from the belichick coaching tree because they haven’t had a ton of success. That’s how Miami wouldn’t of had Brian Flores

I mean in general, league wide.  What has he done that makes him so desirable?   

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That doesn’t mean Doug Pederson is going to outlast Carson wentz in Philadelphia. Do I agree they would go to a back up quarterback before they fired doug? Duh. But that doesn’t mean Doug’s not gonna get fired before Carson Wentz is out of Philadelphia. I guarantee you if they put In hurts and hurts looks just as bad as Carson guess who’s getting fired? and when they bring in a new coach they might want to try to salvage Carson wentz. So you’re talking about a short leash Carson Wentz is here through 2022 I can’t say the same thing about Doug Peterson. I think the offense sucks next year doug is likely to go get fired meanwhile the eagles are on the hook for 25 mil in dead money with Carson with 6 mil cap savings  

and that was not what the beat writers think will happen that was what was told to them from someone in the organization that Jeffrey lurie has said and what is known in the organization. That’s not what caplan thinks that’s what was said to him from someone inside the organization. 

In terms of "leash" yes, I was referring to Wentz being "benched" first and then go from there. 

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Benched maybe, but not gone. And if he is benched Doug better pray that somehow Hurts pulls his bacon out of the fire because if he benches Wentz and it looks worse, nail in coffin.

Doug absolutely knows he's on the hot seat, why do you think he's been acting like more of a **** lately?

In terms of "leash" yes, I was referring to Wentz being "benched" first and then go from there. 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

in your opinion, but that doesn't matter- whats Jeff and Howies opinion? 

Thats all that matters. DO they think Wentz is Proven and a Young True Franchise QB talent.

 

And i think they do. 

I think they "thought he was" now I can just about assure you, they are likely having second thoughts.  They're not blind.  They see the same issues we see.  The issue with Wentz is whether or not it's a coaching issue, a Wentz issue or a combination of both.

26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ll say this Russell Wilson had been trying to play hero ball over the last 3 weeks with his defense being atrocious and Carson out and he hasn’t look particularly awesome or like an MVP level. Without Carson and a consistent rushing attack over the last 3 weeks hes had 6 tds, 4 ints and 3 lost fumbles. 

Yeah its weird how your perspective changes when you actually watch other teams and QBs and your minimum standard for QB play isnt completely unrealistic

I call it the William Wallace standard.  People want their QB to shoot TD passes out of their arse even if everything around them is sucky

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Benched maybe, but not gone. And if he is benched Doug better pray that somehow Hurts pulls his bacon out of the fire because if he benches Wentz and it looks worse, nail in coffin.

Doug absolutely knows he's on the hot seat, why do you think he's been acting like more of a **** lately?

The greatest thing about this blog is sometimes because a beat writer put something out there that was said to them that they don’t like, it means it’s not true or they don’t want to believe it. Like yesterday there was the report coming out that Carson Wentz has been sloppy in practice. I100% to believe that because I think it has gradually been going that way since 2017 and you’ve seen sloppy mechanics at time.

So when I hear the organization and inside the NovaCare everyone knows Lurie isn’t happy with the direction of the offense and he made doug fire coaches so the offense would get better then I tend to believe that source that’s telling them that. because if I was Jeffrey lurie I would Fing be angry too 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah its weird how your perspective changes when you actually watch other teams and QBs and your minimum standard for QB play isnt completely unrealistic

I call it the William Wallace standard.  People want their QB to shoot TD passes out of their arse even if everything around them is sucky

I don't think I want that. Imagine how the receivers would feel about it