Play all of the kids.

If Doug was the offensive coordinator instead of the head coach he would be fired for his terrible offense the last 3 seasons. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The stupid quarterback factory comment also didn’t help matters

None of their stupid labeling comments ever help anything. They are all destined to backfire. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Play all of the kids.

I much rather see jacquet on the outside then maddox. Maddox isn’t an outside corner. Frankly even last year he didn’t look great in the slot but i rather him be out there in the slot then NRC 

30 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Pederson has made the playoffs 3 out of his 4 years, TWICE with his back up QB and won a Super Bowl with him.

Pederson's performance, without question, has been exponentially better than Wentz' since his tenure here.  Literally, WITHOUT QUESTION.

 

I understand this but he needs to go he can’t get anybody to respond and the play calling is aids, I know lots of people think like this and fair enough. I just would like to revisit this at the end of the season when we sit through beating after beating that is inevitably coming.

Danny Dimes owning us with almost all "weapons” back is at least strike one.

9 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

I understand this but he needs to go he can’t get anybody to respond and the play calling is aids, I know lots of people think like this and fair enough. I just would like to revisit this at the end of the season when we sit through beating after beating that is inevitably coming.

Danny Dimes owning us with almost all "weapons” back is at least strike one.

If they continue to lose and if they are eliminated from the post season, then the likelihood of Jalen Hurts starting, grows exponentially, imo.  They will want to see what this offense looks like with Hurts starting.  And I think we go from there. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

None of their stupid labeling comments ever help anything. They are all destined to backfire. 

I mean the chocolate and vanilla one hasn’t been awful so far. Lol 

55 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Tate was not a good trade.  They were not a team that was going to go anywhere.  Tate may have been a nice player but he wasn't what that team needed and then DP couldn't even figure out how to use him.  

That trade was Howie/DP not understanding the talent of the team and how good they actually were.  That's a problem.  As a coach you want to win every game/be confident in your team but you also have to have a realistic outlook for them.  You can't look at that team and say they are a Golden Tate away from winning the SB.  Especially at the cost of a 3rd round pick.  Then you bring back Nelson instead of him and he walks so you're out a 3rd for 8 game rental.  You pay more for the inferior player who also walks following that year and Tate goes to your rival and plays well against us now.

Part of the Eagles problem right now is their inability to look in the mirror and be honest about who they are but at the same time look 2-3 years down the road.  This team sucks.  They are in first place by default at 3 wins.  They should not be playing veterans.  We should be seeing what every single young guy has to know what we have to build with down the road.  Mailata, Hightower, Watkins (remember the hype around him?) Wallace, Bradley, Taylor should all be playing significant snaps.  Instead we have to watch JP, Alshon, JAG LB, Mills (who I want to like at safety) and the rest continue to play.  

Yup.   Drastic difference between that trade and the Jay Ajayi trade the year before.   Ajayi and Blount were nearly the same type player, and that works in a RB rotation, especially with power backs.   You bring one in to wear down the defense early in the game, and then bring in the other to take advantage with fresh legs to run out the game at the end.   They learned in the SD game that this offense was dramatically different when they were able to ground and pound the ball.  And doing so opened up the middle of the field so much, even the deep balls to Smith, which were useful though fairly limited.  Adding Ajayi after Sproles went down was the perfect complement to Blount, and Clement filled in great as that 3rd down back for screens, etc.   That move fit the character of that team and who they were.

In 2018, they needed a RB again, because Blount was gone, Ajayi was injured, Clement was out, and they were relying on Smallwood and Josh Adams.   THAT would have been a better move by far than bringing in Tate to play a similar role to what they were using Agholor (and to a certain extent Goedert) to do.  It was just a desperation move, not a calculated one.  Had they bitten the bullet and brought in Cooper, that would have been smarter, even though it would have been far costlier.  (Not saying, I would have endorsed that move, but it would have made more sense than Tate.) 

 

Howie seems to have been grasping at straws.  Avery seemed like they wanted a guy for the Chris Long role of outside edge rusher only... and yet, he's never been given that chance by the DC.  It just seems like the coaches and the front office aren't on the same page at all.  And this year, they go out and bring in Slay, then sign him to a new contract... but that's a double cost move.   Either pay a guy through free agency and save the draft pick for younger cost controlled players OR... use the draft capital to trade for a known quantity, but stop trading for guys and giving them new contracts (like he did with Desean!).   It's a double whammy, especially when the move flops, like it did with Desean.  

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I much rather see jacquet on the outside then maddox. Maddox isn’t an outside corner. Frankly even last year he didn’t look great in the slot but i rather him be out there in the slot then NRC 

Maddox should play safety. He is better moving forward and has the speed to help cover deep. Trying to stick to a man is not his strong suit. 

 

15 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

convenient that they dont even have to fire him since his contract is up

everyone keeps saying this but where is it from? Coordinator contracts are rarely reported, even when extended. All that I saw was Garofolo saying he was at least under contract for 2020.

Just genuinely curious because I haven't heard one reporter say anything about it when discussing if he will be back next year or not.

Just now, Swoop said:

Maddox should play safety. He is better moving forward and has the speed to help cover deep. Trying to stick to a man is not his strong suit. 

 

The only problem with that is you have to work on making that transition now In the middle of the season. I think they did it a couple years ago because they were desperate and didn’t have anybody else because they continue to not address the position and were forced too. Add on I think he would have to play the position that Rodney McLeod is currently occupying and they’re not gonna to **** mcleod so they could put maddox there.

Personally when Wallace is healthy He should be out there starting at safety. I don’t need to see mills anymore. I don’t think he is going to be here long term. I want Wallace getting the refs so that next year he’s ready when the season starts to be the starter or we can see if he’s not good enough to be a starter in this league. If we see improvement week to week then we might be onto something. I thin

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.   Drastic difference between that trade and the Jay Ajayi trade the year before.   Ajayi and Blount were nearly the same type player, and that works in a RB rotation, especially with power backs.   You bring one in to wear down the defense early in the game, and then bring in the other to take advantage with fresh legs to run out the game at the end.   They learned in the SD game that this offense was dramatically different when they were able to ground and pound the ball.  And doing so opened up the middle of the field so much, even the deep balls to Smith, which were useful though fairly limited.  Adding Ajayi after Sproles went down was the perfect complement to Blount, and Clement filled in great as that 3rd down back for screens, etc.   That move fit the character of that team and who they were.

In 2018, they needed a RB again, because Blount was gone, Ajayi was injured, Clement was out, and they were relying on Smallwood and Josh Adams.   THAT would have been a better move by far than bringing in Tate to play a similar role to what they were using Agholor (and to a certain extent Goedert) to do.  It was just a desperation move, not a calculated one.  Had they bitten the bullet and brought in Cooper, that would have been smarter, even though it would have been far costlier.  (Not saying, I would have endorsed that move, but it would have made more sense than Tate.) 

 

Howie seems to have been grasping at straws.  Avery seemed like they wanted a guy for the Chris Long role of outside edge rusher only... and yet, he's never been given that chance by the DC.  It just seems like the coaches and the front office aren't on the same page at all.  And this year, they go out and bring in Slay, then sign him to a new contract... but that's a double cost move.   Either pay a guy through free agency and save the draft pick for younger cost controlled players OR... use the draft capital to trade for a known quantity, but stop trading for guys and giving them new contracts (like he did with Desean!).   It's a double whammy, especially when the move flops, like it did with Desean.  

Yup. Couldn’t have said it any better. I was also in favor of bringing in Devante Parker who the dolphins had on the cheap at that point due to his struggles and because they were just trying to get rid of him due to Adam Gase was an idiot

56 minutes ago, John_C said:

That was a great moment... Pick Kiper, your favorite analyst or your favorite TATER, you would have a better and more talented team if <they> had been doing our drafting versus the current group.  Fire the entire current group, find the next leader and let them put a new team together.  Or just call your favorite analyst when you are on the clock, it would be an improvement over what they have been doing.

Bingo!  This is the key point.  It's brutal.  And you don't have the Trent Coles and Jason Kelces and other diamonds in the rough, either.  Go back further and other years look the same way.

It's time for change.

Mayock was my guy... 😢

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It was just a desperation move, not a calculated one.  Had they bitten the bullet and brought in Cooper, that would have been smarter, even though it would have been far costlier.

Looking back, I give the 2019 1st for Cooper.  I'd rather have Cooper than Dillard. 

They also traded up for him so they would have still had their 4th (turned in to WR Riley Ridley) and 6th (S Jonathan Crawford).  Not that those players have turned in to anything but at the rate the Eagles hit in the draft they need as many lottery tickets as possible.

50 minutes ago, greend said:

I don't think I want that. Imagine how the receivers would feel about it

Maybe that's the problem, and why they have had so much trouble lately finding WRs.

12 minutes ago, phil77 said:

If Doug was the offensive coordinator instead of the head coach he would be fired for his terrible offense the last 3 seasons. 

I just want to see them have somebody else calling the plays and Doug do what he does best. Now the issue is who are you going to give play calling to if you strip it from Doug? Scangerello was fired last year as the Broncos OC. Press Taylor has never done it. Duce has never done it. Marty has but he was demoted with the ravens cause it was lackluster. Not exactly a group I trust anyway

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The only problem with that is you have to work on making that transition now In the middle of the season. I think they did it a couple years ago because they were desperate and didn’t have anybody else because they continue to not address the position and were forced too. Add on I think he would have to play the position that Rodney McLeod is currently occupying and they’re not gonna to **** mcleod so they could put maddox there.

Personally when Wallace is healthy He should be out there starting at safety. I don’t need to see mills anymore. I don’t think he is going to be here long term. I want Wallace getting the refs so that next year he’s ready when the season starts to be the starter or we can see if he’s not good enough to be a starter in this league. If we see improvement week to week then we might be onto something. I thin

You're right. I don't think they should've ever moved Maddox from playing safety, though. He was great in his limited time back there. I don't know why they thought he would do well on the outside. He was getting toasted two years ago against the Bears in the playoffs and has done nothing to improve on that since.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I just want to see them have somebody else calling the plays and Doug do what he does best. Now the issue is who are you going to give play calling to if you strip it from Doug? Scangerello was fired last year as the Broncos OC. Press Taylor has never done it. Duce has never done it. Marty has but he was demoted with the ravens cause it was lackluster. Not exactly a group I trust anyway

Mike Bartrum, lets go!

 

Just now, Swoop said:

You're right. I don't think they should've ever moved Maddox from playing safety, though. He was great in his limited time back there. I don't know why they thought he would do well on the outside. He was getting toasted two years ago against the Bears in the playoffs and has done nothing to improve on that since.

He’s actually regressed since his rookie season. I compare this a lot to Boykin who was great his rookie year and every year after his rookie year he regressed to the point where the Eagles just gave up on him. If we’re being honest with maddox he wasn’t very good last year when he was in the slot before Sendejo knocked him out. Through four weeks of the season last year in the slot statistically he was giving up the most receptions, the most yards, and the highest quarterback rating of any slot corner in the league. Personally I just don’t think he’s that good of a corner. I think the Eagles have massively overhyped him. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I just want to see them have somebody else calling the plays and Doug do what he does best. Now the issue is who are you going to give play calling to if you strip it from Doug? Scangerello was fired last year as the Broncos OC. Press Taylor has never done it. Duce has never done it. Marty has but he was demoted with the ravens cause it was lackluster. Not exactly a group I trust anyway

The Bears did this last night with giving Lazor the playcalling responsibilities and their offense still looked terrible. I get that not all cases are equal, but I think this entire offensive system is broken. So it really doesn't matter who's calling the plays. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Mike Batrum, lets go!

 

We can just use the ask madden feature. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Looking back, I give the 2019 1st for Cooper.  I'd rather have Cooper than Dillard. 

They also traded up for him so they would have still had their 4th (turned in to WR Riley Ridley) and 6th (S Jonathan Crawford).  Not that those players have turned in to anything but at the rate the Eagles hit in the draft they need as many lottery tickets as possible.

I wanted one of the Browns in that draft. AJ or Hollywood with that first round pick. I would take either over both Dillard or Cooper. Now Im not giving up on Dillard just yet. He only had 2 shots so far. One at LT he played well, the other at RT he struggled and told everyone before hand he would never playing that side. Sadly the injury we just didnt get our answer this year if hes a player or not. 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

If they make a change,. it will be with the QB first, then down down the line.  They will give Pederson every chance they can to continue to prove himself.  Wentz' leash is shorter than Pederson's at this point.

Sorry, but I totally disagree with this.  The Eagles have made an investment of $128M in Wentz over the next four years, starting in 2021.  That’s not Doug’s investment, it’s not even Howie’s investment — that’s Lurie’s investment.  As with all mega contracts, there is no out of this contract for at least the next 2 seasons — 2021 and 2022.  Wentz will be the Eagles QB through 2022 barring retirement or eating significant dead money.  Eating that kind of dead money will be an embarrassment on Howie’s record as well as Lurie.  The head coach simply doesn’t carry that investment, and most NFL head coaches don’t last beyond 5 years in the same job.

Most would say the Eagles SB win will buy Doug enough good will for 2 bad seasons, which would be this year and 2021 if things don’t get turned around.  Forgetting it’s the Eagles we’re talking about — how much rope does the head coach get when the team goes from 13 wins, down to 9 wins, 9 again, and down to 5-6 wins?

Doug will be on the hot seat after this season if this is a 5-6 win team, especially if they miss the playoffs.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He’s actually regressed since his rookie season.  

What corner hasnt regressed under Jim here? lol

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The Bears did this last night with giving Lazor the playcalling responsibilities and their offense still looked terrible. I get that not all cases are equal, but I think their entire offensive system is broken. So it really doesn't matter who's calling the plays. 

Oh I don’t know if it’s gonna work or not. It likely also fails miserably. But at this point I’m not gonna fire doug in the middle of the season and I’m not gonna fire him period. So the only logical thing I can think of that maybe jump starts this offense is changing who is calling the plays or you try to go with Hurts which i don’t think is likely.