1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

What corner hasnt regressed under Jim here? lol

Good point. However if we’re gonna go with that point, Jim Schwartz is the one that always hopes up maddox like he’s great. So do you really wanna take Jim Schwartz‘s word on him then?

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I just want to see them have somebody else calling the plays and Doug do what he does best. Now the issue is who are you going to give play calling to if you strip it from Doug? Scangerello was fired last year as the Broncos OC. Press Taylor has never done it. Duce has never done it. Marty has but he was demoted with the ravens cause it was lackluster. Not exactly a group I trust anyway

 

I think we need an outside set of eye and a voice from the outside.  I don't think anyone currently on the staff would do anything different than what Doug is doing now.  We need a new set of ideas for this offense and some creativity. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Good point. However if we’re gonna go with that point, Jim Schwartz is the one that always hopes up maddox like he’s great. So do you really wanna take Jim Schwartz‘s word on him then?

The fact Slay looks avg is exactly why Jim will not be back. Howie went out and gave him the top Dline he wanted, a top corner and the defense is the same. Jims days are gone. Good thing for us Maddox is still under his rookie deal so he gets a chance to prove himself under a different DC next year. I was really hoping Douglas and Jones had that chance but a year too late for them. 

1 minute ago, phil77 said:

I think we need an outside set of eye and a voice from the outside.  I don't think anyone currently on the staff would do anything different than what Doug is doing now.  We need a new set of ideas for this offense and some creativity. 

Welcome to ten months ago.

59 minutes ago, greend said:

A/R lost the team. Coaches don't get fired because of fans and media. Reid's time here was over.

100%.

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I just want to see them have somebody else calling the plays and Doug do what he does best. Now the issue is who are you going to give play calling to if you strip it from Doug? Scangerello was fired last year as the Broncos OC. Press Taylor has never done it. Duce has never done it. Marty has but he was demoted with the ravens cause it was lackluster. Not exactly a group I trust anyway

What's that?

6 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

What corner hasnt regressed under Jim here? lol

PRob stands alone on his mountain

I think Doug is a nice guy who the players like, respect, and don’t quit on.  That demeanor, combined with a good OC drawing up game plans in Reich, a hot QB in Wentz, and then a hot QB in Foles...combined for a championship.  Doug was the captain of the ship for that and deserves the credit.  But that combo is why they won.

Doug is NOT some football brain or prodigy who has a vision that can build something great on his own.  We are seeing the many aspects in which stale and in over his head.  I don’t think he can be the brains behind a rebuild here.  He’s along for the ride and Howie is at the controls.  We are seeing the results.

7 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

I think we need an outside set of eye and a voice from the outside.  I don't think anyone currently on the staff would do anything different than what Doug is doing now.  We need a new set of ideas for this offense and some creativity. 

Is that not what they did this past off-season when they forced doug to fire the coaches he wanted to keep and then he hired some new coaches? Granted I thought they should’ve let press Taylor go because I didn’t like anything that was going on with Carson Wentz’s development

6 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

What corner hasnt regressed under Jim here? lol

That's a really good point.  The only players who seem to have improved are Josh Sweat (who as much as I like him has been very quiet lately) and...anyone?

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Sorry, but I totally disagree with this.  The Eagles have made an investment of $128M in Wentz over the next four years, starting in 2021.  That’s not Doug’s investment, it’s not even Howie’s investment — that’s Lurie’s investment.  As with all mega contracts, there is no out of this contract for at least the next 2 seasons — 2021 and 2022.  Wentz will be the Eagles QB through 2022 barring retirement or eating significant dead money.  Eating that kind of dead money will be an embarrassment on Howie’s record as well as Lurie.  The head coach simply doesn’t carry that investment, and most NFL head coaches don’t last beyond 5 years in the same job.

Most would say the Eagles SB win will buy Doug enough good will for 2 bad seasons, which would be this year and 2021 if things don’t get turned around.  Forgetting it’s the Eagles we’re talking about — how much rope does the head coach get when the team goes from 13 wins, down to 9 wins, 9 again, and down to 5-6 wins?

Doug will be on the hot seat after this season if this is a 5-6 win team, especially if they miss the playoffs.

There's an out at the end of 2021. Meaning they can trade him/release him once the 2022 season officially starts...which would be March of 2022. 

So basically next season will be the tell-tell for Wentz. Not the next 2 seasons.  

 

 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

What's that?

I would say he’s a good leader and guys play hard for him. I don’t think he’s a good play caller and i don’t think he’s quick on his feet. For instance people are like oh Doug had the balls to call philly special, well Nick Foles ran over to the sideline and said hey let’s run Philly Philly. Doug obliged but doug didn’t come up with that play at that specific time. If nick didn’t say that to him do you think doug would’ve went with philly special in that situation? I don’t. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

PRob stands alone on his mountain

He lucked out cause of only 1 year being here. 

I put this out last year. Jim in his career has only reached a top 10 defense 5 times out of his 19 years running defenses. All 5 of those years the teams offense was top 3 in the league. 2017 his only good year here, we had the number 1 offense in the league. Hes a avg 14-18 rank defense. Yes we could do worse but we could do better as well. In the end he is hurting a lot of these players with his style. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Is that not what they did this past off-season when they forced doug to fire the coaches he wanted to keep and then he hired some new coaches? Granted I thought they should’ve let press Taylor go because I didn’t like anything that was going on with Carson Wentz is development

 

Hiring 15 coaches or advisors and still having Doug with full control of the offense and play calling isn't really changing anything from past season.  Doug needs to go back to leading the team like 2017 and let someone else be the brain child of the offense.   It just doesn't work when Doug has total control of the offense.  Someone else needs to have that responsibility.  By not hiring someone with the official OC title signals Doug has total control IMO. 

I do not think they will fire Doug this year but I do think we will see a new DC and a new OC and I just hope that OC isn't Duce (even though I think he earned a chance I just dont think he is right for what the team needs right now) 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

There's an out at the end of 2021. Meaning they can trade him/release him once the 2022 season officially starts...which would be March of 2022. 

So basically next season will be the tell-tell for Wentz. Not the next 2 seasons.  

 

 

You’re eating $24.5M by doing that.  The Eagles aren’t going to do that, unless Wentz is on his way to prison.  

48 minutes ago, greend said:

That's what I said. But he made the playoffs with Wentz

They won that first playoff game despite Foles.  People forget that because of his next two games.

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

There's an out at the end of 2021. Meaning they can trade him/release him once the 2022 season officially starts...which would be March of 2022. 

So basically next season will be the tell-tell for Wentz. Not the next 2 seasons.  

 

 

Yeah that out is a 24.5 million dollar dead money hit whether you trade him or cut him. And only around 6.7mil cap savings. If you think that’s a good out then more power too you. And if he does struggle in 2021 you believe somebody’s going to actually trade for that contract?

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

There's an out at the end of 2021. Meaning they can trade him/release him once the 2022 season officially starts...which would be March of 2022. 

So basically next season will be the tell-tell for Wentz. Not the next 2 seasons.  

 

 

So what your saying is you "think" they will move Wentz in 22, watch him improve under a new coach/team with a real OC. Then watch our team struggle under our new unknown QB with Doug one more year till his contract is up after the 22 season and let him walk. Sounds like the Gold Standard format. 

3 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

Hiring 15 coaches or advisors and still having Doug with full control of the offense and play calling isn't really changing anything from past season.  Doug needs to go back to leading the team like 2017 and let someone else be the brain child of the offense.   It just doesn't work when Doug has total control of the offense.  Someone else needs to have that responsibility.  By not hiring someone with the official OC title signals Doug has total control IMO. 

I do not think they will fire Doug this year but I do think we will see a new DC and a new OC and I just hope that OC isn't Duce (even though I think he earned a chance I just dont think he is right for what the team needs right now) 

I don’t disagree with your points. I actually 100% agree with you on the point of Doug has this system in place where there is no OC so the power really is all in his hands for this offense. That’s what I would do. However The Eagles brought in guys from other places to assimilate some of the plays and concepts from other teams around the league. We were sold a bill of goods that with no voices in the building we would do some of the innovative stuff we’ve seen from the niners with Kyle Shanahan or McVay and yet here we are doing the same things we’ve done the last three years.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re eating $24.5M by doing that.  The Eagles aren’t going to do that, unless Wentz is on his way to prison.  

Maybe. Maybe not.  If Wentz continues to perform among the bottom tier of the league (or is benched by then) they could likely eat 24 million in order to get out of the contract, even work out a trade, etc.  Eating 24 million isn't the end of the world if they are winning with another QB and they end up getting some value back for Wentz. 

 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would say he’s a good leader and guys play hard for him. I don’t think he’s a good play caller and i don’t think he’s quick on his feet. For instance people are like oh Doug had the balls to call philly special, well Nick Foles ran over to the sideline and said hey let’s run Philly Philly. Doug obliged but doug didn’t come up with that play at that specific time. If nick didn’t say that to him do you think doug would’ve went with philly special in that situation? I don’t. 

So what some in here want is the OC calling the plays and Doug being the cheerleader

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah that out is a 24.5 million dollar dead money hit whether you trade him or cut him. And only around 6.7mil cap savings. If you think that’s a good out then more power too you. And if he does struggle in 2021 you believe somebody’s going to actually trade for that contract?

Yes, as long as Wentz doesn't completely tarnish his reputation.  There could likely be several teams interested since his dead cap money after 2022 is low.  $15 million in 2023 and only 6 million in 2024.  Potentially a low-risk/high reward scenario for some teams. 

i'm not as concerned about DP calling plays - but i think the gameplans are significantly lacking

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They won that first playoff game despite Foles.  People forget that because of his next two games.

Foles played great against the Vikings. He was unbelievable once he got going.  But the defense is what changed the whole momentum of that game. The Eagles were down 7-0. The offense still looked out of sync at the start and the Vikings were moving the ball when Patrick Robinson was able to pick it off and return it for a touchdown. Again the Eagles were up 14 to 7 when the Vikings were driving to tie the game and Derek Barnett stripped case Keenum which then started the snowball that became an avalanche. Like the defense doesn’t get nearly enough credit in that Vikings game but they had two of the biggest plays game changing plays that propelled the momentum into a route. 

Just now, Mike030270 said:

So what some in here want is the OC calling the plays and Doug being the cheerleader

Worked for Tom Coughlin. Hell Belicheats best teams he stepped aside from play calling for his DC to just be the HC figure. Honestly id be fine with Doug as the HC motivator if he stepped down from OC role and hired someone to take that role.