5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

So what your saying is you "think" they will move Wentz in 22, watch him improve under a new coach/team with a real OC. Then watch our team struggle under our new unknown QB with Doug one more year till his contract is up after the 22 season and let him walk. Sounds like the Gold Standard format. 

Nah.  The only way I think they move on from Wentz is if they are confident that his replacement will perform better. 

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Worked for Tom Coughlin. Hell Belicheats best teams he stepped aside from play calling for his DC to just be the HC figure. Honestly id be fine with Doug as the HC motivator if he stepped down from OC role and hired someone to take that role. 

Also works for Pete Carroll.

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yes, as long as Wentz doesn't completely tarnish his reputation.  There could likely be several teams interested since his dead cap money after 2022 is low.  $15 million in 2023 and only 6 million in 2024.  Potentially a low-risk/high reward scenario for some teams. 

If it gets to the point where they are going to eat a $24 million cap hit, don’t you think his reputation would have to be tarnished?

46 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

The bolded is a fair point. Lurie was loyal to AR to a fault, he will be even more loyal to Dougy. 

 

Doug Pederson is not Andy Reid, though.  
 

Reid had more power over personnel to set the roster, make draft decisions, etc.  He was almost a de facto GM as well as head coach, and Lurie made the mistake of believing Chip Kelly could coach and manage the same way — but Chip didn’t have the credibility or ability to evaluate talent that Andy has.  Doug doesn’t, either.

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

If it gets to the point where they are going to eat a $24 million cap hit, don’t you think his reputation would have to be tarnished at that point? 

Not necessarily.  There are teams out there that desperately need a QB.  And they may feel that Wentz would perform better in a new system, new team, etc because of his natural skill set, etc.

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Nah.  The only way I think they move on from Wentz is if they are confident that his replacement will perform better. 

Ok, then that ends the conversation then since that wont happen with Doug in the OC role. We can put that baby to bed. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Foles played great against the Vikings. He was unbelievable once he got going.  But the defense is what changed the whole momentum of that game. The Eagles were down 7-0. The offense still looked out of sync at the start and the Vikings were moving the ball when Patrick Robinson was able to pick it off and return it for a touchdown. Again the Eagles were up 14 to 7 when the Vikings were driving to tie the game and Derek Barnett stripped case Keenum which then started the snowball that became an avalanche. Like the defense doesn’t get nearly enough credit in that Vikings game but they had two of the biggest plays game changing plays that propelled the momentum into a route. 

Chris Long made that play, PRob just made the catch (and the return).  And Chris Long made the recovery on the Barnett strip sack.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Yes, as long as Wentz doesn't completely tarnish his reputation.  There could likely be several teams interested since his dead cap money after 2022 is low.  $15 million in 2023 and only 6 million in 2024.  Potentially a low-risk/high reward scenario for some teams. 

Why would the Eagles trade Carson wentz if he played well enough next year to not tarnish his reputation? Imo that means he’s playing relatively well. Cause if he’s average or like this year then his reputation is tarnished as he hasn’t returned to 2017 in 4 years. So he’s tradable if he doesn’t ruin his reputation so that would mean he likely is playing well.  At that point if he’s playing well why am I trading him.

 

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Ok, then that ends the conversation then since that wont happen with Doug in the OC role. We can put that baby to bed. 

To start a different conversation, then — what do you think happens if Lurie/Howie bring Doug into the office after the season and tell him that the organization is hiring Brandon Streeter (or someone similar from outside for a new perspective) to run the passing game as OC, and Doug is to give up play calling?

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Chris Long made that play, PRob just made the catch (and the return).  And Chris Long made the recovery on the Barnett strip sack.

Point is the defense gets trashed because they weren’t good for most of the super bowl but the nfc title game and nfc divisional game they had as much to do with winning as foles, doug 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Why would the Eagles trade Carson wentz if he played well enough next year to not tarnish his reputation? Imo that means he’s playing relatively well. Cause if he’s average or like this year then his reputation is tarnished as he hasn’t returned to 2017 in 4 years. So he’s tradable if he doesn’t ruin his reputation so that would mean he likely is playing well.  At that point if he’s playing well why am I trading him.

 

Not necessarily.  If Wentz is benched either at the end of this season or early next season there could likely be teams that believe they could work with his natural skill set, new system, etc.  Having Wentz could be an upgrade to a good amount of teams in the NFL, especially if he performs anywhere near where he was at in 2017 in a new system.

The Eagles system is reliant on a QB staying "within the dynamics of the offensive scheme".  There are more "liberal" offensive systems out there that Wentz may look better in, imo. 

 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

To start a different conversation, then — what do you think happens if Lurie/Howie bring Doug into the office after the season and tell him that the organization is hiring Brandon Streeter (or someone similar from outside for a new perspective) to run the passing game as OC, and Doug is to give up play calling?

I think Doug being Doug would be the "yes" man. He would hate it, but We have seen the FO do what they want no matter what Doug says and he just eats it. In the end he should be happy just to be keeping his job. Id personally rather then just hire a OC to run the whole offense, not just passing. Play calling, design, game planning, scripting etc. 

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

I think Doug being Doug would be the "yes" man. He would hate it, but We have seen the FO do what they want no matter what Doug says and he just eats it. In the end he should be happy just to be keeping his job. Id personally rather then just hire a OC to run the whole offense, not just passing. Play calling, design, game planning, scripting etc. 

This is where I'm at.  Can the organization separate Doug the head coach from Doug the OC?  I would fire Doug the OC today.  Doug the head coach brings a lot of good qualities and traits and I would be inclined to give him next season (2021) to turn the trajectory of the team around (even though I also wish the Eagles would fire their analytics goofs).

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

We avg 5.1 yards per rush attempt, lol. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Point is the defense gets trashed because they weren’t good for most of the super bowl but the nfc title game and nfc divisional game they had as much to do with winning as foles, doug 

Defense deserves to be trashed for their pass defense in the Super Bowl... it was atrocious.  Just like Foles should be called out for his poor play in the NFC Divisional Round.  Football is a TEAM effort.  In the divisional round, and early in the Championship Game, the defense bailed Foles and the offense out.  In the Super Bowl, the offense and Foles bailed out the defense.  

I wouldn't mind Sanders getting more touches.  

 

53 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Looking back, I give the 2019 1st for Cooper.  I'd rather have Cooper than Dillard. 

They also traded up for him so they would have still had their 4th (turned in to WR Riley Ridley) and 6th (S Jonathan Crawford).  Not that those players have turned in to anything but at the rate the Eagles hit in the draft they need as many lottery tickets as possible.

If they traded a 1st for Cooper they probably wouldn't have drafted JJAW.  They still would have been able to draft Sanders and my hope would be someone like Juan Thornhill or even Max Scharping.  

Why is this even worth a story line? Does it really matter if the officiating crew is all black? all white? or a Zebra crew? 

http://www.theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/84654/First-all-Black-officiating-crew-to-work-MNF-game

I dont get why it matters. 

7 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Why is this even worth a story line? Does it really matter if the officiating crew is all black? all white? or a Zebra crew? 

http://www.theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/84654/First-all-Black-officiating-crew-to-work-MNF-game

I dont get why it matters. 

The home team gets an extra 2021 second round pick + a 3 point spot to start the game.

I forgot this kid was even out there. An outside CB with very little use so far. All charges dropped. Yes under Jim he is screwed, but maybe for our future DC next year. Worth a look or is he a POS and not worth the aggravation? 

http://www.theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/84653/DeAndre-Baker-has-interest-from-Bengals--Chiefs--49ers-and-Jaguars

18 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Not necessarily.  If Wentz is benched either at the end of this season or early next season there could likely be teams that believe they could work with his natural skill set, new system, etc.  Having Wentz could be an upgrade to a good amount of teams in the NFL, especially if he performs anywhere near where he was at in 2017 in a new system.

The Eagles system is reliant on a QB staying "within the dynamics of the offensive scheme".  There are more "liberal" offensive systems out there that Wentz may look better in, imo. 

If the Eagles bench Carson Wentz and he does not look good as the reason why they are benching him which would likely be the only reason outside of injury (at that point don’t see teams lining up fir a "injury prone” player) then his reputation is already tarnished. And at that point your argument is already null and void because he has tarnish his reputation. you don’t bench a quarterback for a year that you’re paying big money to and then expect his reputation not to be tarnished. At that point the damage is done.

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Why is this even worth a story line? Does it really matter if the officiating crew is all black? all white? or a Zebra crew? 

http://www.theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/84654/First-all-Black-officiating-crew-to-work-MNF-game

I dont get why it matters. 

There aren't enough Asian officials 

4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Why is this even worth a story line? Does it really matter if the officiating crew is all black? all white? or a Zebra crew? 

http://www.theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/84654/First-all-Black-officiating-crew-to-work-MNF-game

I dont get why it matters. 

Probably because it's the first time it's happened

It's a sport all about records

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Defense deserves to be trashed for their pass defense in the Super Bowl... it was atrocious.  Just like Foles should be called out for his poor play in the NFC Divisional Round.  Football is a TEAM effort.  In the divisional round, and early in the Championship Game, the defense bailed Foles and the offense out.  In the Super Bowl, the offense and Foles bailed out the defense.  

And where did I say the defense didn’t deserve to be trash for their Super Bowl performance? Don’t put words in my mouth if I didn’t say. I said the defense gets crapped on way more in that run because of the Super Bowl but in two of the games prior they were a major reason for the Eagles getting to that Super Bowl and even helping foles in the divisional round. But people tend to ignore those factors because of their awful Super Bowl performance. My point was not that the Eagles defense didn’t deserve to get crapped on for their poor Super Bowl performance. It’s more of Nick Foles and doug were not the only reason the Eagles got to that Super Bowl