2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If the Eagles bench Carson Wentz and he does not look good as the reason why they are benching him which would likely be the only reason outside of injury (at that point don’t see teams lining up fir a "injury prone” player) then his reputation is already tarnished. And at that point your argument is already null and void because he has tarnish his reputation. you don’t bench a quarterback for a year that you’re paying big money to and then expect his reputation not to be tarnished. At that point the damage is done.

Nah.  If Bradford made in excess of 100 million while in the NFL while being dealt around for his entire career I can just about guarantee that there will be teams interested in Wentz. 

54 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

The fact Slay looks avg is exactly why Jim will not be back. Howie went out and gave him the top Dline he wanted, a top corner and the defense is the same. Jims days are gone. Good thing for us Maddox is still under his rookie deal so he gets a chance to prove himself under a different DC next year. I was really hoping Douglas and Jones had that chance but a year too late for them. 

Let's just hope they hire a proven defensive mind.  I'd like someone who thinks outside the box a little and will adjust their defense game to game depending on the opponent.  Not just use the same defense over and over no matter who they're playing.

Its difficult enough as is to play defense in the NFL today.  With the rules there is just not going to be any shut down defenses.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

That’s why Wentz should be benched for 2 weeks.  It’s information.  Plug out, plug in.

Do I expect things to get worse with Hurts?  Yes.

If it wasnt Jalen Hurts I could maybe buy this argument

But you cant double down on the Jalen Hurts mistake now.  It wouldnt just be "worse," we would be the laughingstock of the NFL and the media scrutiny would likely destroy the organization.  

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Probably because it's the first time it's happened

It's a sport all about records

If we don't stop making things about the color of someone's skin, things will never not be about the color of someone's skin. 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And where did I say the defense didn’t deserve to be trash for their Super Bowl performance? Don’t put words in my mouth if I didn’t say. I said the defense gets crapped on way more in that run because of the Super Bowl but in two of the games prior they were a major reason for the Eagles getting to that Super Bowl and even helping foles in the divisional round. But people tend to ignore those factors because of their awful Super Bowl performance. My point was not that the Eagles defense didn’t deserve to get crapped on for their poor Super Bowl performance. It’s more of Nick Foles and doug were not the only reason the Eagles got to that Super Bowl

Why so defensive?

Just now, 315Eagles said:

Let's just hope they hire a proven defensive mind.  I'd like someone who thinks outside the box a little and will adjust their defense game to game depending on the opponent.  Not just use the same defense over and over no matter who they're playing.

Its difficult enough as is to play defense in the NFL today.  With the rules there is just not going to be any shut down defenses.

Id love a Rex Ryan type DC. Hell Id take Rex Ryan himself if he would take the job, lol. One of the best DCs in the past 20 years. But someone with his defensive mind. Hes exactly what you and I want. Someone who will be creative and mix anything and everything to make the Qb have to actually think whats coming. 

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think Doug is a nice guy who the players like, respect, and don’t quit on.  That demeanor, combined with a good OC drawing up game plans in Reich, a hot QB in Wentz, and then a hot QB in Foles...combined for a championship.  Doug was the captain of the ship for that and deserves the credit.  But that combo is why they won.

Doug is NOT some football brain or prodigy who has a vision that can build something great on his own.  We are seeing the many aspects in which stale and in over his head.  I don’t think he can be the brains behind a rebuild here.  He’s along for the ride and Howie is at the controls.  We are seeing the results.

No coach is smart enough to rebuild on their own.  Reid is very smart but it took him 20 years as an NFL head coach to win a Championship.  He ultimately won by changing his approach and being willing to accept new ideas.  He is not the control freak in KC that he was in Philly and that has helped him.  Pederson needs to be open to change.  I think the same can be said of Howie, Lurie and Schwartz.  I mean out of all of them Schwartz is the one who has showed little ability to adapt his game plan to fit his personnel.  

23 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Nah.  If Bradford made in excess of 100 million while in the NFL while being dealt around for his entire career I can just about guarantee that there will be teams interested in Wentz. 

So you told me he can’t tarnish his reputation in order to trade him. How is he not tarnishing his reputation if he gets benched for most of the year like you suggested in 2021? That is the definition of tarnishing your reputation if you get bench because you don’t play well and haven’t over the course of two seasons  

Could there be teams interested? Yes. There could also be Doug pederson gets fired and the Eagles think a new coach can still salvage Carson Wentz but you don’t think that’s remotely a possibility. And I think teams would be interested in signing Carson Wentz. I don’t think team to be interested in taking him on at that contract even with the dead money only been $15 million in 2022 but his cap number for how he played over two years would still be too high for them.  I don’t see the Eagles taking a fourth or fifth round pick to take on 25 million in dead money

 

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Why so defensive?

Irritated in general at the moment. Lol 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Id love a Rex Ryan type DC. Hell Id take Rex Ryan himself if he would take the job, lol. One of the best DCs in the past 20 years. But someone with his defensive mind. Hes exactly what you and I want. Someone who will be creative and mix anything and everything to make the Qb have to actually think whats coming. 

i'll pass on such over-rated blowhards

gimme a quiet evil genius DC anyday

A couple years ago most of us were worried that Carson was injury prone.  Now he's about the only one who doesnt miss a game.

I've been saying the Wentz-Pederson combo just isn't working.  But I'd like to see which one is the bigger problem.  Not that I want him hurt but I wouldn't mind Wentz missing a game or 2 just to see what things look like with a different QB.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Irritated in general at the moment. Lol 

I understand that.

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Id love a Rex Ryan type DC. Hell Id take Rex Ryan himself if he would take the job, lol. One of the best DCs in the past 20 years. But someone with his defensive mind. Hes exactly what you and I want. Someone who will be creative and mix anything and everything to make the Qb have to actually think whats coming. 

I'd agree with this but alot of people will think you're crazy.  He knows defense and will put guys in good positions.

Someone else is Jim Leonard from Wisconsin.  They always have a good defense and he played in the NFL under Rex Ryan.  

31 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

To start a different conversation, then — what do you think happens if Lurie/Howie bring Doug into the office after the season and tell him that the organization is hiring Brandon Streeter (or someone similar from outside for a new perspective) to run the passing game as OC, and Doug is to give up play calling?

If lurie / roseman  hire an OC for pederson then I imagine the rest of the 15 Offensive coaches would need to be re worked as well. I mean what does Marty or sganrello actually do.

Without play calling what would be Doug's role. He doesn't have a lot of input In personally has nothing to do with defense he obviously struggles with game planning. 

I mean you look at guys like carroll and belicheat and neither call offense or defense but both have a lot of input in personnel as defacto GMs.

I'm all for Doug not calling plays as long as the eagles have a plan in place that doesn't include the current disaster of 15 Offensive coaches in the shadows doing who knows what.

Eagles need a defined heir Archy chain of command with defined roles and those roles being accountable to someone.

As is seems the eagles have a bunch of guys that nobody knows their actual roles or who they are accountable to.

I mean does pederson even have the power to fire anyone on his staff. 

Seems the whole operation is being run by the bean counting non football gm while all the football guys are just all unaccountable to each other no???

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Youre confusing Rex Ryan the HC and Rex Ryan the DC

pretty sure i am not

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

i'll pass on such over-rated blowhards

gimme a quiet evil genius DC anyday

I understand but imagine if he came here and had success?  This city still remembers Buddy Ryan and loves him.  If Rex came and the defense played great along with him talking his usual smack, he'd be embraced too.

31 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Not necessarily.  If Wentz is benched either at the end of this season or early next season there could likely be teams that believe they could work with his natural skill set, new system, etc.  Having Wentz could be an upgrade to a good amount of teams in the NFL, especially if he performs anywhere near where he was at in 2017 in a new system.

The Eagles system is reliant on a QB staying "within the dynamics of the offensive scheme".  There are more "liberal" offensive systems out there that Wentz may look better in, imo. 

What happens when the "dynamics of the offensive scheme" is garbage? Wentz didn't stray from the dynamics on sunday and it was the same ish, oline couldn't block and the WRs were constantly blanketed. When was the last time a WR on this team was wide open? 

It would probably easier for Lurie to accept starting over with a new HC and coaching staff than trying to find another QB after investing so much in to Carson.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

pretty sure i am not

Rex did Ok as a HC but was better as a DC.  It's not like he'd be running the team.

I think if there are any changes made to the coaching staff my preference would be to go younger, rather than the carousel of regurgitated usual suspects.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

I think if there are any changes made to the coaching staff my preference would be to go younger, rather than the carousel of regurgitated usual suspects.

Introducing your new Philadelphia Eagles head coach for the 2021 season........

Juan Castillo

18 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

i'll pass on such over-rated blowhards

gimme a quiet evil genius DC anyday

Yup, personally I can't stand either one of the Ryans. I liked Buddy but he was really kind of an a-hole too

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Introducing your new Philadelphia Eagles head coach for the 2021 season........

Juan Castillo

You mean DC, don't you?

11 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I understand but imagine if he came here and had success?  This city still remembers Buddy Ryan and loves him.  If Rex came and the defense played great along with him talking his usual smack, he'd be embraced too.

That would take quite the imagination.

17 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Why is this even worth a story line? Does it really matter if the officiating crew is all black? all white? or a Zebra crew? 

http://www.theredzone.org/Blog-Description/EntryId/84654/First-all-Black-officiating-crew-to-work-MNF-game

I dont get why it matters. 

Think of the story as being about how race doesn't matter now because of this event.  

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Yup, personally I can't stand either one of the Ryans. I liked Buddy but he was really kind of an a-hole too

Bud Carson > Buddy Ryan

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think if there are any changes made to the coaching staff my preference would be to go younger, rather than the carousel of regurgitated usual suspects.

Youth is overrated.  

4 minutes ago, greend said:

That would take quite the imagination.

So he never had success as a DC?  I'm not talking as a head coach.