Just now, DeathByEagle said:

People crack me up with that, lol. "Well he was open"

There is a progression Wentz is to follow that is designed by Doug and the play designer. Yes someone might be open but if they are read number 3 and your on read 1 then your not just going to see the open guy and throw it. This is not a video game on a big screen TV. By the time he gets to read 3 he might not be open anymore. Doesn't help when your under pressure after 1 sec of getting the ball as well and cant get past your first read, even if you have time to read that player. So yea watch all the film you want and see players open but unless you know the progressions your just playing madden at that point watching it on a TV. 

No kidding.  But a top QB will go through his progressions in fractions of a second.  That's what separates an elite QB from an average QB. 

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The all-22 will be out soon enough.  Watch the film and go from there. The film will show whether Wentz had people open, etc. 

The Giants' game might have been Doug's worst game this year. On the TV copy, the play-calls were really rough.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

No kidding.  But a top QB will go through his progressions in fractions of a second.  That's what separates an elite QB from an average QB. 

Fractions of a sec, lol Got it, you never played football, lol. 

I think what you would be better saying is that a elite QB would have a better pre snap read and know where to change his read to first and adjust as needed. 

Just now, RLC said:

The Giants' game might have been Doug's worst game this year. On the TV copy, the play-calls were really rough.

Could very well be.  We'll get a better understanding this week when the "film guys" dissect the films. 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

People crack me up with that, lol. "Well he was open"

There is a progression Wentz is to follow that is designed by Doug and the play designer. Yes someone might be open but if they are read number 3 and your on read 1 then your not just going to see the open guy and throw it. This is not a video game on a big screen TV. By the time he gets to read 3 he might not be open anymore. Doesn't help when your under pressure after 1 sec of getting the ball as well and cant get past your first read, even if you have time to read that player. So yea watch all the film you want and see players open but unless you know the progressions your just playing madden at that point watching it on a TV. 

You hit the nail on the head. 

Most fans dont know what the play was called and what was supposed to happen when, hell most media types dont even know. The coaches know, the player knows.  

Keep in mind Brett Farve admitted during his second season at GB that he couldn't read defenses. And he was the starting QB. 

6 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Fractions of a sec, lol Got it, you never played football, lol. 

I think what you would be better saying is that a elite QB would have a better pre snap read and know where to change his read to first and adjust as needed. 

That too,  but yes, on an NFL level a QB goes through his reads in less than 2 seconds,...if not faster.  They should be able to determine if a player will be open and release the ball in less than 2.5 seconds. (3 seconds on longer developing plays) 

  A good QB will already start his reads while he's dropping back.  And Wentz does...so this isn't a knock on him.  It's whether or not he's making the right decisions and when he does, how often is he getting the ball to go where he wants it to go. 

20 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

If O'Brien gets hired anywhere it wont be anywhere near a GM role.

That was a joke. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

That too,  but yes, on an NFL level a QB goes through his reads in less than 2 seconds,...if not faster.  They should be able to determine if a player will be open and release the ball in less than 2.5 seconds.  A good QB will already start his reads while he's dropping back.  And Wentz does...so this isn't a knock on him.  It's whether or not he's making the right decisions and when he does, how often is he getting the ball to go where he wants it to go. 

Good correction, 2-2.5 sections is much more then fractions of a sec as your other post said, lol. Most plays have 3 reads max and honestly shouldnt get to the 3rd read if the team is prepared and the game plan and play calling is on point.

Play action dont help, that delays your suggestion they should be reading while dropping back. Its exactly why I hate Doug and all his play action. You have a banged up oline, you are not constantly showing you will run the ball and you want to run play action to give your QB and extra step backwards to turn around into 2 defenders in your face. Brilliant. 

36 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I agree but I think more so Rex because he's Buddy's son and he has that same type of outlandish, brash, cocky persona that Philadelphia loves.  

Well they love it if you're winning anyway.

Well, he's a Flyers fan and would probably pose a bunch with Gritty but I think his personality would work against him if he didn't have success.  

16 minutes ago, metal said:

Even if the Eagles lose out they are not getting Trevor Lawrence. He is going #1 to the Jets. No question about it.

There's jokes that he'll stay in college but there's no way he's missing out on nfl money.

Maybe he pulls an Eli and says no to the Jets

18 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

No kidding.  But a top QB will go through his progressions in fractions of a second.  That's what separates an elite QB from an average QB. 

I think it's more like the QB will read the defense to know where he has the best matchup before the snap.  

Doug is Andy Reid v. 2.0.  He has his system (which I do like) and definitely can work, and he sticks with it to a fault. 

Because he believes in his system that much, he believes in his gameplan too much.  And instead of tweaking his system to fit his players, Doug just sticks to the system and waits for the players to catch up to it.  That's when you get crap like forced plays from Wentz and bonehead play calls. 

Meanwhile, when Wentz looked his best, he had two creative former QB's in the room along with Doug tailoring the scheme to his strengths.  It's the exact reason Foles looked as good as he did, and it's also the exact reason we won a Super Bowl.  All it took was getting Foles comfortable...and when he did, he was on fire.   We were efficient, we were explosive when we needed to be, we were waltzing through the schedule until the Rams game. 

 

What we really need to do is get a steady coaching staff in here, and get the F rid of Howie already.  We draft to develop players, and then can't develop them because outside of Stoutland, our coaching staff sucks.  Which then leads us to doing ridiculous stuff like signing Alshon to a huge extension.  Howie's out of gas.

15 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

You hit the nail on the head. 

Most fans dont know what the play was called and what was supposed to happen when, hell most media types dont even know. The coaches know, the player knows.  

Keep in mind Brett Farve admitted during his second season at GB that he couldn't read defenses. And he was the starting QB. 

I think what he said was he didn't know what a nickel defense was.  That's a little different than not being able to read defenses. 

5 minutes ago, hukdonfoniks said:

 

What we really need to do is get a steady coaching staff in here, and get the F rid of Howie already.  We draft to develop players, and then can't develop them because outside of Stoutland, our coaching staff sucks.  Which then leads us to doing ridiculous stuff like signing Alshon to a huge extension.  Howie's out of gas.

All hail Stoutland! I also think Fipp and Duce are solid. 

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That was a joke. 

I know..

23 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

No kidding.  But a top QB will go through his progressions in fractions of a second.  That's what separates an elite QB from an average QB. 

There are many things that factor into an elite q.b. but I don't think eye speed is one of them. On a good day a qb has 2, maybe 3 seconds to throw the ball. He has an idea of who should be open when and that's how the progressions go. It also depends on how the defense lines up, and single coverage of what he sees before the snap and during the snap. An elite guy can process information faster but there is only so fast that you can move your eyes and turn your head. I'm not even going to go into looking a safety or linebacker off.

28 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Could very well be.  We'll get a better understanding this week when the "film guys" dissect the films. 

You don't need the all-22 to evaluate the awful Jalen Hurts packages or the lack of bootleg throws.

31 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

People crack me up with that, lol. "Well he was open"

There is a progression Wentz is to follow that is designed by Doug and the play designer. Yes someone might be open but if they are read number 3 and your on read 1 then your not just going to see the open guy and throw it. This is not a video game on a big screen TV. By the time he gets to read 3 he might not be open anymore. Doesn't help when your under pressure after 1 sec of getting the ball as well and cant get past your first read, even if you have time to read that player. So yea watch all the film you want and see players open but unless you know the progressions your just playing madden at that point watching it on a TV. 

I agree with most of this.  However, in many cases a decent pre-snap read should be able to tell you if your primary receiver will be covered.  Carson still needs to do better.

2 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

All hail Stoutland! I also think Fipp and Duce are solid. 

Yeah that's fair, Duce isn't bad.  I dunno about Fipp though...maybe it's just because he came in with all this hype about being the air-tight #1 best ST coach out there. 

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think it's more like the QB will read the defense to know where he has the best matchup before the snap.  

You said it better and with less words than me. (The less words is quite a feat)

 

1 minute ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Yeah that's fair, Duce isn't bad.  I dunno about Fipp though...maybe it's just because he came in with all this hype about being the air-tight #1 best ST coach out there. 

Com'on how could you not love that face... it just screams competency and sanity 😉

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I agree with most of this.  However, in many cases a decent pre-snap read should be able to tell you if your primary receiver will be covered.  Carson still needs to do better.

Covered the pre snap read a few posts after. Got you taken care of :)

4 minutes ago, greend said:

There are many things that factor into an elite q.b. but I don't think eye speed is one of them. On a good day a qb has 2, maybe 3 seconds to throw the ball. He has an idea of who should be open when and that's how the progressions go. It also depends on how the defense lines up, and single coverage of what he sees before the snap and during the snap. An elite guy can process information faster but there is only so fast that you can move your eyes and turn your head. I'm not even going to go into looking a safety or linebacker off.

I would say that an elite QB knows where he's going with the ball before the snap at least 75% of the time, maybe more. Even when he's looking off the safety it's still his intent to go to a specific receiver.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I like this kid but what is he 12?