1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Seriously? Have you been living under a rock?

No. I’m aware of up until this season he almost always took his team to the playoffs. I said OC, not GM 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You continuously keep ignoring my question how many of those QBs with all these conditions would make this a SB contender. You’ve ignored or purposefully not answered this question. 

Hang on. I answered your question. You may not have liked the answer but I answered it. 

1 hour ago, metal said:

Even if the Eagles lose out they are not getting Trevor Lawrence. He is going #1 to the Jets. No question about it.

I'll be so bold as to say if they DID get to #1, they still wouldn't draft Trevor Lawrence.

42 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I think what's understated from this is that pre snap the eagles best WR is essentially taken out of the play by just the design of the play.

Fulgham is far hash running a fade against a cover 2 look with safety over the top. Fitting that throw between the corner and safety, the commentator calls the honey pot throw to the far hash is an extremely low % throw, so just by design any throw to fulgham us destined to fail. Instead by design the throw is called to reagor against the giants top corner in what Carson thinks is man without accounting for where the safety is going to be.

This is what people mean when they say the coaches not putting the players in position to succeed. This play design against that coverage is doomed to fail, that pederson would say Carson wishes he has that throw back is either pederson sugar coating it or being to incompetent to realize it was a failed flawed play design that wasn't going to work by design.

Having 2 out side guys run fades one of which was out of the play by design(fulgham) and the two Inside guys running to the sticks turning and sitting isn't innovative or fooling any one,if all the receivers run their routes to exact perfection it's still highly unlikely the play works. 

That pre snap Wentz would think his best option is to challenge the giants best corner on a back side fade with safety help is either Wentz being stupid or Wentz doing exactly what the play design dictates and the coaches and play design being stupid.

Either way it's a failure on multiple levels like the commentator says.

I'm tired of Wentz and pederson after awful losses line this saying they are pissed off,if I were Wentz I'd be pissed that that trash offensive play is what I'm given and expected to succeed on.

If I'm pederson I'm pissed at myself for designing weak offensive plays that are destined to fail no matter what.

I mean if thats the best play 15 Offensive coaches can come up with the game on the line it's no wonder this offense sucks 

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Hang on. I answered your question. You may not have liked the answer but I answered it. 

No you said they’d be better. That’s not SUPER BOWL CONTENDER. and your answers to QBs playing better like Herbert is BS. His roster is similar to the eagles and he is playing very good and he 2 wins. How does that make if he’s here that he’d leading us to being a SB. Literally the chargers are a mirror image of this team and he’s playing well and has 2 wins yet you are claiming him here is a SB contender. That’s nonsense. 

Additionally before last couple weeks Big Ben was struggling and had the lowest air yards of any QB in the league. He had the fewest 15 yard air passes the first 7 weeks of the season. If you don’t think having massive amounts of weapons, one of the best olines in the league and a top 5 defense matters then you haven’t watched the Steelers besides when they played us. 

your answer should be Rodgers, Wilson, mahomes and possibly Murray with how he’s playing. Heck Tom Brady last year couldn’t make the Patriots a super bowl contender with a great defense and a mediocre line and lackluster weapons. Goes to tampa with a good oline, great weapons and a good defense and they are in the thick of it and looks good. 

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

People crack me up with that, lol. "Well he was open"

There is a progression Wentz is to follow that is designed by Doug and the play designer. Yes someone might be open but if they are read number 3 and your on read 1 then your not just going to see the open guy and throw it. This is not a video game on a big screen TV. By the time he gets to read 3 he might not be open anymore. Doesn't help when your under pressure after 1 sec of getting the ball as well and cant get past your first read, even if you have time to read that player. So yea watch all the film you want and see players open but unless you know the progressions your just playing madden at that point watching it on a TV. 

That is true, to an extent.   It is equally true that on a blitz like that, you change your read progression and go immediately to the hot route.  Likely the hot route would have been one of the quick in routes over the middle (since that's where the blitz came from).  

 

Of course, a zone dog there, and a DT dropping and Wentz blindly throws it over the middle and its picked off by the DT and Wentz is 'careless'.  As it was 4th down, that's far less of a concern.  More of a concern on that play is that he didn't secure the ball (by habit) with the pressure and still fumbled it.   He's got to correct the fumbles as much as anything else, and frankly, that's always been a problem for him in the NFL.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'll be so bold as to say if they DID get to #1, they still wouldn't draft Trevor Lawrence.

Without doubt yeah. The only way they would go Lawrence is if there are major changes and the new FO and coaching staff absolutely don't like Wentz. Now that's possible but very very unlikely I think. 

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Fractions of a sec, lol Got it, you never played football, lol. 

I think what you would be better saying is that a elite QB would have a better pre snap read and know where to change his read to first and adjust as needed. 

yup.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No you said they’d be better. That’s not SUPER BOWL CONTENDER. and your answers to QBs playing better like Herbert is BS. His roster is similar to the eagles and he is playing very good and he 2 wins. How does that make if he’s here that he’d leading us to being a SB. Literally the chargers are a mirror image of this team and he’s playing well and has 2 wins yet you are claiming him here is a SB contender. That’s nonsense. 

No you know what you're absolutely right they wouldn't be SB contenders. But this team is so far away from that it isn't even funny. But my argument is that I believe there are a number of QBs who would make this team better and more competitive. And given they've just lost a close game to the Giants and they tied to the Bengals I think they'd have at least 2 more wins with those QBs I mentioned. 

6 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

No you know what you're absolutely right they wouldn't be SB contenders. But this team is so far away from that it isn't even funny. But my argument is that I believe there are a number of QBs who would make this team better and more competitive. And given they've just lost a close game to the Giants and they tied to the Bengals I think they'd have at least 2 more wins with those QBs I mentioned. 

And they are far away from it for multiple reasons. Doug play calling much of his tenure, bad personnel moves, wentz and poor defense against starting caliber QBs this year amongst the biggest reasons. 

So they’d be 5-4 and still going to get destroyed by the actual contenders in this league for multiple other reasons. The goal is to win a super bowl. Even if you had a solid upgrade you aren’t winning that with how doug is calling plays, how the roster has been poorly constructed and Jim Schwartz defense has been BAD against starting caliber QBs so far this year. 

so yes wentz sucks, doug also has been not good for much of this year (most of his tenure if we are being accurate) and utilizing guys to their strengths the last 2 has been nonexistent except in December, howie making bad move after bad move, wasting draft picks and Schwartz defense regressing every single year to the point where starting QBs are averaging 30 points per game against us. It’s all of those  not just Carson wentz failing doug like you seem to think doug does no wrong. You have people who play the game like jaws, orlovsky and westbrook saying the play calling sucks and there’s no rhythm  

So replace wentz with Herbert this team has what 2 more wins and you still are not winning anything meaningful cause you have other major issues you continuously ignore and focus solely on wentz. They weren’t winning crap even if wentz was playing at a good level. That’s a problem 

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

No you know what you're absolutely right they wouldn't be SB contenders. But this team is so far away from that it isn't even funny. But my argument is that I believe there are a number of QBs who would make this team better and more competitive. And given they've just lost a close game to the Giants and they tied to the Bengals I think they'd have at least 2 more wins with those QBs I mentioned. 

I think they'd have a more wins with the same QB but a different coaching staff. Everyone can have a view but fact is they didnt have a different QB and they had this coaching staff and lost those games. Could of, Should of theory. 

31 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

There aren't any head coaches who essentially have play calling taken away from them, who remain as HC. If you're not capable, why are you the HC?

Is he capable to call defensive plays?

The pragmatic approach IMO is to: A) get Wentz better weapons, and B) get Wentz better coaching

Jeffery and Jackson are gone after this season, and in my opinion Ertz is also gone due to contract impasse/salary cap considerations.  That leaves Reagor, Fulgham, Goedert, and Sanders as the only locks for the skill positions next season.  Ward shouldn’t be a starter and Hightower is likely a backup unless he takes a leap next training camp.  With FA not viable due to being in cap hell the draft IMO will need to address WR, a second RB, and LB.  The secondary is also a high-priority need.  Lots of holes to fill.

I’m also of the opinion Doug needs to relinquish play calling duties.  The committee approach this season is a failure and Wentz needs to be coached back into the right direction.  It seems obvious right now Doug isn’t the coach to do that.

 

1 minute ago, greend said:

Is he capable to call defensive plays?

He's an offensive coach. He was hired to lead the offense.

Things were a lot more fun during the super bowl run. For this year I would settle for average. We played decent at the end of last year and made improvements to the roster. What the heck happened?

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So replace wentz with Herbert this team has what 2 more wins and you still are not winning anything meaningful cause you have other major issues you continuously ignore and focus solely on wentz. They weren’t winning crap even if wentz was playing at a good level. That’s a problem 

Well the future would look a lot brighter for the team to be fair if Herbert was in. 

Look I do get your point, I agree with it in fact. This team sucks for a multitude of reasons. Doug's offense is stale, the roster has been terribly constructed, Wentz has sucked, the D has ished the bed and injuries have caused us issues. 

All of that is true and fair. But also, I'll ask again, how can this offense function when Wentz has been as bad as he's been? Why do people point the finger first at Doug but not at Carson? Why can't it be that actually both are true but also that Carson sucks so bad that this offense can't function?

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I think they'd have a more wins with the same QB but a different coaching staff. Everyone can have a view but fact is they didnt have a different QB and they had this coaching staff and lost those games. Could of, Should of theory. 

They might well do. I don't see it that way. I see a QB who's below average and when a team has a below average QB that team is going to struggle.

Just now, schuy7 said:

He's an offensive coach. He was hired to lead the offense.

He's an offensive minded coach that was hired to lead the team. He can easily hire an o.c. and still lead the team. He can even interject if he wants but it's not unprecedented for the head coach to allow an o.c. to call plays.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Well the future would look a lot brighter for the team to be fair if Herbert was in. 

Look I do get your point, I agree with it in fact. This team sucks for a multitude of reasons. Doug's offense is stale, the roster has been terribly constructed, Wentz has sucked, the D has ished the bed and injuries have caused us issues. 

All of that is true and fair. But also, I'll ask again, how can this offense function when Wentz has been as bad as he's been? Why do people point the finger first at Doug but not at Carson? Why can't it be that actually both are true but also that Carson sucks so bad that this offense can't function?

I thought the Chargers were 2-7 ......

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I thought the Chargers were 2-7 ......

Right?

4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I think they'd have a more wins with the same QB but a different coaching staff. Everyone can have a view but fact is they didnt have a different QB and they had this coaching staff and lost those games. Could of, Should of theory. 

Unless the eagles with this roster and coaching had Mahomes, Rodgers or Wilson (and he’s even struggling with the Seahawks last 3 weeks minus Carson— 6 tds and 7 turnovers) then they were not going to be a SB contender. I’d say Murray but frankly i don’t believe we’d be nearly as creative with him to have him playing at the level he is in AZ. We can’t even be creative with reagor let alone a QB like him. 

While we are at it, the eagles faced 6 legitimate starting caliber QBs in the nfl: big Ben, Lamar, Daniel jones, burrow, Goff. While wentz was awful in some of those games, the defense did nothing in the red zone or making stops when they had too. They gave up 37, 30, 23, 21, 27 and 37. That’s 29.2 ppg and they haven’t even faced Wilson, Rodgers, Murray and potentially Brees. It’s going to look really bad on defense imo. They are bottom five red zone defense and bottom half 3rd down defense. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

 

They might well do. I don't see it that way. I see a QB who's below average and when a team has a below average QB that team is going to struggle.

I see a QB on a team with a poor coaching staff that cant game plan, call plays and put the QB in a winning situation. 

Guess we will find out in a few years who is right. Either Wentz will succeed here or someone else or he will not. Same with Doug. But till then I guess its just two peoples views that cant do nothing but talk until those years have past. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Right?

There’s more problems with the Chargers that prevent them from being a winning organization, and there’s more problems with the Eagles than Wentz himself can fix

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Unless the eagles with this roster and coaching had Mahomes, Rodgers or Wilson (and he’s even struggling with the Seahawks last 3 weeks minus Carson— 6 tds and 7 turnovers) then they were not going to be a SB contender. I’d say Murray but frankly i don’t believe we’d be nearly as creative with him to have him playing at the level he is in AZ. We can’t even be creative with reagor let alone a QB like him. 

Its such a difficult one though isn't it. I mean we know what Doug can do without Carson. We don't know what Carson can do without Doug. I guess until we know what he can do without Doug it's impossible to say who's more to blame. 

Doug the HC can stay and get a few more seasons....

Doug the OC needs to be replaced....

Just now, Alphagrand said:

There’s more problems with the Chargers that prevent them from being a winning organization, and there’s more problems with the Eagles than Wentz himself can fix

But the chargers hurt themselves in games but they lose close games. I remember a certain team doing the same in 2016 and it worked out quite nicely the following year.