1 minute ago, phil77 said:

Doug the HC can stay and get a few more seasons....

Doug the OC needs to be replaced....

I’m not sure about "a few more seasons”, but I agree with the premise 

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I see a QB on a team with a poor coaching staff that cant game plan, call plays and put the QB in a winning situation. 

Guess we will find out in a few years who is right. Either Wentz will succeed here or someone else or he will not. Same with Doug. But till then I guess its just two peoples views that cant do nothing but talk until those years have past. 

Absolutely right. Until we see Carson without Doug we simply don't know. We have our own opinions but we don't know who is more at fault. 

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Well the future would look a lot brighter for the team to be fair if Herbert was in. 

Look I do get your point, I agree with it in fact. This team sucks for a multitude of reasons. Doug's offense is stale, the roster has been terribly constructed, Wentz has sucked, the D has ished the bed and injuries have caused us issues. 

All of that is true and fair. But also, I'll ask again, how can this offense function when Wentz has been as bad as he's been? Why do people point the finger first at Doug but not at Carson? Why can't it be that actually both are true but also that Carson sucks so bad that this offense can't function?

They might well do. I don't see it that way. I see a QB who's below average and when a team has a below average QB that team is going to struggle.

However even with Herbert we don’t know or have a clue without Keenan Allen and Mike Williams and Hunter henry if he’d look nearly as good here. Legitimately his weapons have been healthy all year besides ekeler. 
 

It’s both. I complain about Carson as well. And he’s been crap and has also hindered their offense this year. I’ll ask you the same question why can’t doug be the main point of the problem and contributing to Carson’s struggles? Like not running the ball nearly enough with sanders. Why can it be Doug’s play calling and game plans don’t fit what wentz does well (like lack of a roll out til 3rd quarter) and wentz doesn’t trust doug? We can play that game going both ways. 

in the end it’s both. And that question can be flipped to doug. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Absolutely right. Until we see Carson without Doug we simply don't know. We have our own opinions but we don't know who is more at fault. 

 

 

We have seen Doug without Reich and those offensive numbers are not very good at all.  So again was it Wentz, Doug, Foles or was the success of our offense really Reich? 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

However even with Herbert we don’t know or have a clue without Keenan Allen and Mike Williams and Hunter henry if he’d look nearly as good here. Legitimately his weapons have been healthy all year besides ekeler. 
 

It’s both. I complain about Carson as well. And he’s been crap and has also hindered their offense this year. I’ll ask you the same question why can’t doug be the main point of the problem and contributing to Carson’s struggles? Like not running the ball nearly enough with sanders. Why can it be Doug’s play calling and game plans don’t fit what wentz does well (like lack of a roll out til 3rd quarter) and wentz doesn’t trust doug? We can play that game going both ways. 

in the end it’s both. And that question can be flipped to doug. 

Wentz has Ertz (or sorry did until he got hurt). He's got Goedert. He's got Reagor. He's had Fulgham who's been a stud. He's got a legit stud RB and the back up there has stepped in pretty nicely at times too. Wentz has got weapons too.

1 minute ago, phil77 said:

 

 

We have seen Doug without Reich and those offensive numbers are not very good at all.  So again was it Wentz, Doug, Foles or was the success of our offense really Reich? 

The year after we lost Reich I recall a struggle and then a rejuvenated offense that got back to the play offs and nearly the NFCCG.

2 minutes ago, phil77 said:

Doug the HC can stay and get a few more seasons....

Doug the OC needs to be replaced....

That’s how i view it. I need to see someone else calling plays. I don’t think doug is a bad coach i think he is good at being quick on his feet and finding a good rhythm. He has done so before but it’s been few and far between besides 2017.

And frankly i posted this during the 2017 season when doing the good, the bad and ugly,  in 2017 the eagles were in 3rd and 7+ More than 90% of the league. We had if my memory serves me correctly 85ish more plays of 3rd and 7+ Then the Patriots who were one of the teams with the fewest 3rd and long situations. We were just mindbogglingly amazing at picking them up. which in reality isn’t consistent to winning every season in the nfl. 

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wentz has Ertz (or sorry did until he got hurt). He's got Goedert. He's got Reagor. He's had Fulgham who's been a stud. He's got a legit stud RB and the back up there has stepped in pretty nicely at times too. Wentz has got weapons too.

The year after we lost Reich I recall a struggle and then a rejuvenated offense that got back to the play offs and nearly the NFCCG.

Sanders missed 3 games. So out of 9 games we’ve had him for 6 and he left one game early and we refuse to use him more. That’s a major reason I’m ticked at doug. Miles sanders is this teams best player. Yet he doesn’t get nearly enough carries  

Goedert missed a month. 

reagor a rookie is nowhere close to Keenan Allen and Mike Williams are in their careers. Keenan Allen is a top 10 wr in the freaking league. Also reagor missed a month and a half  

Fulgham has been a stud.

ertz was awful when passes were thrown well this year. That’s a contract situation imo. That’s on howie. And he got hurt. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s how i view it. I need to see someone else calling plays. I don’t think doug is a bad coach i think he is good at being quick on his feet and finding a good rhythm. He has done so before but it’s been few and far between besides 2017.

Is it just calling plays though? I mean how creative is the offense? What is the play book and the scheme? They have all these minds involved you'd think the offense would have almost too many components and yet it is so stale. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Sanders missed 3 games. So out of 9 games we’ve had him for 6 and he left one game early and we refuse to use him more

Goedert missed a month.

reagor a rookie is nowhere close to Keenan Allen and Mike Williams are in their careers. Keenan Allen is a top 10 wr in the freaking league. Also reagor missed a month and a half  

Fulgham has been a stud.

ertz was awful when passes were thrown well this year. That’s a contract situation imo. That’s on howie. And he got hurt. 

But we can't pretend Wentz doesn't have weapons. Ok perhaps they aren't as good as the ones Herbert has but he has weapons. 

1 hour ago, greend said:

I like this kid but what is he 12?

He's 22 but still hasn't hit puberty.  It's odd. 

9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Wentz has Ertz (or sorry did until he got hurt). He's got Goedert. He's got Reagor. He's had Fulgham who's been a stud. He's got a legit stud RB and the back up there has stepped in pretty nicely at times too. Wentz has got weapons too.

The year after we lost Reich I recall a struggle and then a rejuvenated offense that got back to the play offs and nearly the NFCCG.

 

In 2018

The team under Wentz averaged 21.6 PPG   

The team under Foles averaged 23.2 PPG 

59 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

ST looked like crap on Sunday

They lost the field position battle.  

7 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Is it just calling plays though? I mean how creative is the offense? What is the play book and the scheme? They have all these minds involved you'd think the offense would have almost too many components and yet it is so stale. 

It really isn’t very creative. It’s not been really since 2017. There’s times where they are but mainly it’s not overly creative.

also considering the fact we used reagor on a 4th and 10 like we did speaks volumes that we have no clue how to use our personnel to their strengths. Reagor should be used similarly to how the niners use aiyuk and deebo. Have the eagles run a jet sweep or motion handoff to reagor yet this year? That’s on doug and the coaching staff.  Doug and his coaches have failed to recognize the personnel they have and maximize their strengths. That’s been my biggest gripe since 2018. They seem to only figure it out in December. 

2 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

The team under Wentz averaged 21.6 PPG   

The team under Foles averaged 23.2 PPG 

So you're saying it improved... 😉

Things can get turned around pretty quickly in the NFL.  Brian Flores walked into an absolute crap show in MIA.  The Dolphins had to clean up from an Adam Gase fiasco, Minkah Fitzpatrick walked out, Leremy Tunsil got traded away and the cupboard looked bare.  They were forecasted to go 0-16 last season, started 0-4 and got out scored 163-26 in those 4 games.  Then they got competitive in their next 3 losses and looked like a not-quite-hopeless 0-7.

Since then they went 5-4 to finish last season, and they’re 6-3 this season.

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So you're saying it improved... 😉

 

Yes massively LOL  Completely night and day  

2 minutes ago, phil77 said:

 

The team under Wentz averaged 21.6 PPG   

The team under Foles averaged 23.2 PPG 

Yeah the offense in 2018 with foles was really good against the rams cause we ran the freaking ball finally and stuck with it. People forget foles had an awful interception on a drive that would’ve sealed the game. Ans his texans game was remarkable but after that texans game the offense began to return back to what it was. Before foles left the redskins game midway through the 4th we had 17 points. Bears we got 16. And then once Brooks left we couldn’t score more than 14. Really the Texans and rams games there was a spark and juice and then the offense began going back to what it was. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It really isn’t very creative. It’s not been really since 2017. There’s times where they are but mainly it’s not overly creative.

That's the thing. It isn't creative and hasn't been for a long while. So how much better would it be with a different play caller? To me the issue isn't necessarily play calling, it is the play book and scheme. 

1 minute ago, phil77 said:

 

Yes massively LOL  Completely night and day  

Exactly. 

See should have stuck with Foles. 

😉

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I think what he said was he didn't know what a nickel defense was.  That's a little different than not being able to read defenses. 

LOL the point remains. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's the thing. It isn't creative and hasn't been for a long while. So how much better would it be with a different play caller? To me the issue isn't necessarily play calling, it is the play book and scheme. 

Exactly. 

See should have stuck with Foles. 

😉

If it is playbook and scheme then you have to go find a new head coach. Doug isn’t going to change his scheme and playbook. If you have a new play caller you might get someone who has a better feel and rhythm on what he is seeing out there. 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's the thing. It isn't creative and hasn't been for a long while. So how much better would it be with a different play caller? To me the issue isn't necessarily play calling, it is the play book and scheme. 

Exactly. 

See should have stuck with Foles. 

😉

Nick Foles is a good example of what can happen with poor coaching.  The poor guy has been saddled with Chip Kelly, Jeff Fisher, Doug Marrone .... and now Stuart Smalley as his head coach/OC:

 

As far as Favre he likely can't read let alone read a defense. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Nick Foles is a good example of what can happen with poor coaching.  The poor guy has been saddled with Chip Kelly, Jeff Fisher, Doug Marrone .... and now Stuart Smalley as his head coach/OC:

 

He had one of the top-5 QB seasons in the history of the game under Chip.

Nick is a good example of what can happen when the stars don't align.

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Things can get turned around pretty quickly in the NFL.  Brian Flores walked into an absolute crap show in MIA.  The Dolphins had to clean up from an Adam Gase fiasco, Minkah Fitzpatrick walked out, Leremy Tunsil got traded away and the cupboard looked bare.  They were forecasted to go 0-16 last season, started 0-4 and got out scored 163-26 in those 4 games.  Then they got competitive in their next 3 losses and looked like a not-quite-hopeless 0-7.

Since then they went 5-4 to finish last season, and they’re 6-3 this season.

Don’t disagree.

But it helps the dolphins had a bunch of draft picks (high picks)to inject youth onto that roster and for the most part they spent their cap space wisely as well. Can’t say the eagles have nailed that aspect. 

also give credit to Flores for building a winning culture. He’s an excellent coach. Probably the best one to come off the belichick tree. 

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

He had one of the top-5 QB seasons in the history of the game under Chip.

Nick is a good example of what can happen when the stars don't align.

Nick is also good example of a QB playing in the best scheme for him results in success over forcing a QB to change for the coaches scheme.

What happened in 2017 after he played horrible against the Raiders and Dallas? Frank made the suggestion to go back and watch his old tape with Chip and change the offensive scheme to what worked for him(RPO).(yes I said Frank. Doug himself said Frank made that suggestion that they look at the past film). Then we saw a night and day change. Scheme, game planning, play calling plays a massive role in a QBs success.

42 minutes ago, greend said:

He's an offensive minded coach that was hired to lead the team. He can easily hire an o.c. and still lead the team. He can even interject if he wants but it's not unprecedented for the head coach to allow an o.c. to call plays.

Yup.  It used to be the norm for the QB to call the plays, then the OC... now it seems like it has to be the HC.