8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Im a Wentz homer, can admit he hasnt played great but when I sit and think about it, 9 times out of 10 it goes back on doug. 

Im also a self admitted Doug hater, have been for 2.5 years and people are realizing it more and more 

I've been saying for awhile now that it's not that Doug is a bad coach or Carson is a bad QB.  Maybe it's just the 2 of them dont mesh well together.

Not sure how long this can continue before Lurie realizes this.  A new coach may do great things for Wentz. A different QB might do wonders for DP.  But the 2 of them together isnt working.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Im a Wentz homer, can admit he hasnt played great but when I sit and think about it, 9 times out of 10 it goes back on doug. 

Im also a self admitted Doug hater, have been for 2.5 years and people are realizing it more and more 

I'm not sure why anyone would hate Doug.  I think Doug is fine as a HC but he needs an OC. Carson needs a QB coach that can pushes him.  I think there are 3 fixes the team needs.  An OC that is an OC, a QB coach and a Personnel person that makes the call on draft picks.  I would be fine if the last option meant they fired Howie.  I think the other 2 fixes mean moving on from the mess they have as offensive assistants with the exception of the WR coach and maybe Duce.    

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I've been saying for awhile now that it's not that Doug is a bad coach or Carson is a bad QB.  Maybe it's just the 2 of them dont mesh well together.

Not sure how long this can continue before Lurie realizes this.  A new coach may do great things for Wentz. A different QB might do wonders for DP.  But the 2 of them together isnt working.

I mean Wentz turned it around last season when he listened to McCown.  He played well under DeFilipo.  I think it's not Doug but keeping Pres Taylor that is the issue.  

8 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm talking about a punt return

me too. I just remember all the time open field in front of him and always getting caught from behind. The one time he got it past the 50 felt like a 110 yard return.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean Wentz turned it around last season when he listened to McCown.  He played well under DeFilipo.  I think it's not Doug but keeping Pres Taylor that is the issue.  

I think it not having a stable and good offensive line that is the issue. Not only is blocking sporadic, but they can't even use parts of their playbook, because the OL personnel can't move and make certain blocks.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

me too. I just remember all the time open field in front of him and always getting caught from behind. The one time he got it past the 50 felt like a 110 yard return.

yup and in all actuality I rooted hard for him because he was a Rudy type of guy and I wanted him to succeed.

14 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I've been saying for awhile now that it's not that Doug is a bad coach or Carson is a bad QB.  Maybe it's just the 2 of them dont mesh well together.

Not sure how long this can continue before Lurie realizes this.  A new coach may do great things for Wentz. A different QB might do wonders for DP.  But the 2 of them together isnt working.

There's no question Lurie recognizes it at this point; the question is what he will mandate be done about it.

The Eagles investment in Wentz is 4 years and $128M beginning next season, so his contract runs through 2024 and there's no reasonable opt out from their standpoint until 2022; Doug Pederson is under contract until the end of 2021 I believe -- at a salary less than 1/4 of Wentz's annual pay.

IMO Lurie and Howie will tell Doug after this season that he's not the QB whisperer for Wentz and he's not the master offensive mind that Reid or Payton is.  The Eagles will bring in a true OC to run the offense and Doug will be head coach -- and that's it.  That conversation will take place right after the Super Bowl and Doug will decide if he wants to remain or not.  

Just my guess.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There's no question Lurie recognizes it at this point; the question is what he will mandate be done about it.

The Eagles investment in Wentz is 4 years and $128M beginning next season, so his contract runs through 2024 and there's no reasonable opt out from their standpoint until 2022; Doug Pederson is under contract until the end of 2021 I believe -- at a salary less than 1/4 of Wentz's annual pay.

IMO Lurie and Howie will tell Doug after this season that he's not the QB whisperer for Wentz and he's not the master offensive mind that Reid or Payton is.  The Eagles will bring in a true OC to run the offense and Doug will he head coach -- and that's it.  That conversation will take place right after the Super Bowl and Doug will decide if he wants to remain or not.  

Just my guess.

I think that's a fair guess. Hopefully that get's things rolling in the right direction. That said though what are we going to do for talent?

16 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I've been saying for awhile now that it's not that Doug is a bad coach or Carson is a bad QB.  Maybe it's just the 2 of them dont mesh well together.

Not sure how long this can continue before Lurie realizes this.  A new coach may do great things for Wentz. A different QB might do wonders for DP.  But the 2 of them together isnt working.

I don't think it's either of those, I think Carson needs a real competent and focused QB coach who isn't a buddy to him. They can be friendly, but has to push Carson to be better about things like DeFilippo did. Work on his craft more than just trying to perfect the scheme. I am sure Carson thinks he is, but it's also apparent from rumors that were swirling that he likes thinks a certain way and doesn't like to be challenged on them, which he apparently needs to be. 

11 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I think it not having a stable and good offensive line that is the issue. Not only is blocking sporadic, but they can't even use parts of their playbook, because the OL personnel can't move and make certain blocks.

this is also definitely part of it.

Just now, greend said:

I think that's a fair guess. Hopefully that get's things rolling in the right direction. That said though what are we going to do for talent?

I think Dillard-Seumalo-Kelce-Brooks-Johnson, with Mailata as the swing tackle is a good OL for 2021.  Driscoll and Herbig will be backup G

Fulgham, Reagor, and a 2nd round draft pick (better than JJAW this time) will be the WR and Hightower will be backup, with a real 2nd RB drafted to compliment Sanders.  There's a RB at Memphis named Kenny Gainwell -- with a name like that he's just GOT to be good.  Scott is change of pace RB and KR

Goedert starting TE, 2nd TE will be up in the air with Ertz gone

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There's no question Lurie recognizes it at this point; the question is what he will mandate be done about it.

The Eagles investment in Wentz is 4 years and $128M beginning next season, so his contract runs through 2024 and there's no reasonable opt out from their standpoint until 2022; Doug Pederson is under contract until the end of 2021 I believe -- at a salary less than 1/4 of Wentz's annual pay.

IMO Lurie and Howie will tell Doug after this season that he's not the QB whisperer for Wentz and he's not the master offensive mind that Reid or Payton is.  The Eagles will bring in a true OC to run the offense and Doug will be head coach -- and that's it.  That conversation will take place right after the Super Bowl and Doug will decide if he wants to remain or not.  

Just my guess.

Doug's already been told that this past offseason and didn't seem to react negatively.  Of course, the OC search never seemed to get off the ground.  My guess is that Lurie/Howie will come to him with a list of choices.  I could see a situation where Duce just gets the position.  It's clear Duce was upset he didn't get the opportunity last season.  Maybe he get Lurie to give him a chance and Lurie makes a change at QB coach.  

51 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Where's Fipp? 

He missed his opportunity to field which side he wanted to be on and it bounced away..... 

I haven't been able to watch as many games in real-time as I like, but I believe the OL play is so poor that teams are able to play mostly zone D and keep everything in front of them. From what I have seen, Wentz is either hesitant or unable to make the intermediate touch passes over the LBs. He is forced to throw into gaps, keep it short or throw deep. He is either not getting enough time or just lacking the confidence at this point...probably a combination. He has to be able to make those passes.

A good Ol would open up more opportunities to see M-M.

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think Dillard-Seumalo-Kelce-Brooks-Johnson, with Mailata as the swing tackle is a good OL for 2021.  Driscoll and Herbig will be backup G

Fulgham, Reagor, and a 2nd round draft pick (better than JJAW this time) will be the WR and Hightower will be backup, with a real 2nd RB drafted to compliment Sanders.  There's a RB at Memphis named Kenny Gainwell -- with a name like that he's just GOT to be good.  Scott is change of pace RB and KR

Goedert starting TE, 2nd TE will be up in the air with Ertz gone

Kelce is the big question mark, imo. If this seasons ends poorly and not much changes because of the cap situation, seems like it would be a big driving force pushing him to retire.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think Dillard-Seumalo-Kelce-Brooks-Johnson, with Mailata as the swing tackle is a good OL for 2021.  Driscoll and Herbig will be backup G

Fulgham, Reagor, and a 2nd round draft pick (better than JJAW this time) will be the WR and Hightower will be backup, with a real 2nd RB drafted to compliment Sanders.  There's a RB at Memphis named Kenny Gainwell -- with a name like that he's just GOT to be good.  Scott is change of pace RB and KR

Goedert starting TE, 2nd TE will be up in the air with Ertz gone

That's okay but you are still talking about some of the same players that contribute to our ineptitude this year, and then you have defense.

37 minutes ago, RLC said:

Reno could at least fair catch. What exactly does Ward do?

A couple weeks ago he actually led the league in fair catches. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

A couple weeks ago he actually led the league in fair catches. 

Every player's dream.

47 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Im a Wentz homer, can admit he hasnt played great but when I sit and think about it, 9 times out of 10 it goes back on doug. 

Im also a self admitted Doug hater, have been for 2.5 years and people are realizing it more and more 

I hate them both equally. They are tied together, but Doug proved he can win without Wentz.

22 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

There's no question Lurie recognizes it at this point; the question is what he will mandate be done about it.

The Eagles investment in Wentz is 4 years and $128M beginning next season, so his contract runs through 2024 and there's no reasonable opt out from their standpoint until 2022; Doug Pederson is under contract until the end of 2021 I believe -- at a salary less than 1/4 of Wentz's annual pay.

IMO Lurie and Howie will tell Doug after this season that he's not the QB whisperer for Wentz and he's not the master offensive mind that Reid or Payton is.  The Eagles will bring in a true OC to run the offense and Doug will be head coach -- and that's it.  That conversation will take place right after the Super Bowl and Doug will decide if he wants to remain or not.  

Just my guess.

It makes sense.  I know Doug loves calling plays but maybe he should be more worried about over seeing the entire team and let others handle the offense.

My guess is he walks away if given that ultimatum.

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I hate them both equally. They are tied together, but Doug proved he can win without Wentz.

During the week I don't hate either one of them, on game days lately yes I hate them both. That said and while Doug did win w/o Carson , that was with Nick who is no longer here and I doubt Hurts

Sort of a negative, sort of a positive for the FO (because this applies to some teams every year)...

2021 will be the first year since 2016 in which the Eagles will enter the season with no reasonable expectations of competing.  

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Sort of a negative, sort of a positive for the FO (because this applies to some teams every year)...

2021 will be the first year since 2016 in which the Eagles will enter the season with no reasonable expectations of competing.  

Might be a good thing even for the players.

53 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Reno was a highly underrated undersized punt returner. 

Reno was good for a return of about 5-10 yards... sometimes he'd "break one" for 15 yards... that was rare.  And he was very sure handed and made very good decisions about fair catching.  But, he scared no one in the NFL for a big return.

 

Ward, on the other hand, has the elusiveness of Reno, but doesn't have the judgement.  Elusiveness can't be taught, but judgement can.  So, maybe Fipp doesn't get a pass.

55 minutes ago, RLC said:

Reno could at least fair catch. What exactly does Ward do?

Nothing.   His decision to stand at the 10 yard line and let the ball land an arm's length away from him at the 9 in the Giants' game was the WORST thing he could have done on that play.   Either fair catch it and the Eagles get the ball at the 9, or call for the fair catch and get away from it... and hope it bounces into the end zone (a third option would be to NOT call for the fair catch and then block around the 15 hoping to slow up a gunner from downing it).    But, he stayed right next to the ball as it hit, and it could have bounced backwards to hit him in the backside, making it a muff and allowing the Giants to land on it for a possession starting inside the 10.    Just one of the worst decisions made by a punt returner I've seen in the last 10 years or so.   Inexcusable.