Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don't really care where they end up ranking in total yards or yards per play this season. You're going to give up yards for the most part to a lot of teams in today's NFL. That's just how the rules are set up and skill position guys are as talented and deep as they've ever been (apparently not for the Eagles though). The biggest thing I care about are takeaways. Schwartz started off his first two years here ranking 10th in 2016 and 4th in 2017 in takeaways. And since then he's plummeted to 28th and 23rd in 2018 and 2019 respectively. And they didn't have any week one against WAS even though Sweat had a forced fumble. 

Gotta get turnovers and flip the field to set your offense up in better scenarios. It's also why I don't have a crap about these pressures per play that people use to hype guys like Barnett up. 

They’ve really not been great in the turnover department particularly interceptions the last two years. Had 11 last year and 10 the year before. Both years they were bottom half of the league. Frankly that strip sack by sweat would’ve been huge and likely would’ve given the eagles enough if we had recovered inside the 10. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've been saying it for the last year.  Washington is building a defense that is going to be very good.  Now they have Del Rio and Rivera to boot.  Going to be a force.  If they can get a secondary built they could be scary good.  Now the offense has to catch up.

They are likely going to win enough games this year to take them out of the running for Lawrence and fields QB sweepstakes. However likely in the range for chase the receiver out of LSU. That would be a ridiculous duo of him and mclaurin. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They are likely going to win enough games this year to take them out of the running for Lawrence and fields QB sweepstakes. However likely in the range for chase the receiver out of LSU. That would be a ridiculous duo of him and mclaurin. 

I don't want to imagine an NFC East with Jamar Chase, McLuarin, Slayton, Sheppard, Amari Cooper, CeeDee Lamb and Gallup.  

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've been saying it for the last year.  Washington is building a defense that is going to be very good.  Now they have Del Rio and Rivera to boot.  Going to be a force.  If they can get a secondary built they could be scary good.  Now the offense has to catch up.

They've taken the same exact approach that San Fran did before they popped last season. They've been bad enough for so long where they've been drafting in the top half/top 5 and just loading up on defensive talent. Chase Young, Montez Sweat, Payne, and Allen. San Fran did the same thing with Bosa, Buckner, and Armstead. 

An intelligent medical staff and training staff will have reviewed Desean's injury issues, what happened and when.  They must have spoken to him too.  I can only imagine he reaches a tipping point snap wise in game and accumulatively where his body breaks down and he gets niggles.

JPs issue is that he seems to have grown a little in the midriff over the past few years and that will affect his performance and his bodies wear and tear.  Andrew Whitworth looks trim and muscular, and more nimble than JP.  While there are glimpses, I wonder if he is in the optimum condition for the position he plays?

As for the EPL taking a knee, it's become a parody now and has almost become a meaningless gesture.  Any impact it had, is by the wayside.

Fumbles and interceptions.  The Eagles lost the game because of those.  I don’t get why Wentz seems to do nothing to prevent the fumbles.  Two in the game.  He is awful about it. Maybe a benching for a series.  I have better luck herding my cats than Doug has getting Wentz to throw the damn ball away.  I have a drill for Press.  In 7 on 7s and 10/10s, have two guys with stop watches.  One that times his looks and another that runs the clock to two seconds.  Ball is either thrown before the second guy calls time or he throws away to a safe area (overthrows an eligible receiver out of bounds).  

25 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's now got to be ripped down and rebuilt. 

So you just want to fire the GM preemptively for something that naturally occurs in Football?

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've been saying it for the last year.  Washington is building a defense that is going to be very good.  Now they have Del Rio and Rivera to boot.  Going to be a force.  If they can get a secondary built they could be scary good.  Now the offense has to catch up.

Rivera has built the same team in 2 different cities.  I think they will be better than the Giants this year.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So you just want to fire the GM preemptively for something that naturally occurs in Football?

Exactly.  He already built one SB team.  He has no more left in him.

50 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

It’ll also help to actually have a running game. 

Maybe moving the pocket too. 

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Exactly.  He already built one SB team.  He has no more left in him.

Interesting. Didn't know we had a Pacific Salmon for a GM.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Interesting. Didn't know we had a Pacific Salmon for a GM.

I was thinking Dexy's Midnight Runners .

3 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

We were moving the ball and they only crossed midfield once the first half , what adjustments were necessary?

Seriously?

As many others have mentioned, moving the pocket, scheming the ball into Reagor's hands, going to more quick pass than down the field, etc.

They had 3 punts and an INT before halftime and after their first surge.

You're conflating the first quarter with them playing well the whole half. 

There were plenty if things they could have adjusted during the 2nd half, but flat out just kept dropping back and looking for bombs.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

So you just want to fire the GM preemptively for something that naturally occurs in Football?

That concept you are responding to is so silly.  Somehow, keeping the core together for another run was a bad idea. This 'rebuild topic seems to be the popular hot take of the moment...after one loss.

 It goes right along with the board fascination with trading good players before the remotely slip for the bobbywizdum "boatload of picks", but I can't think of a team that wins trading their core leaders and talent every year.  What team does that?  Our fans think we should, but they also think Hurts should go in for Wentz before his big contract starts. 

No one ever said our fans were super smart.

 

2 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That concept you are responding to is so silly.  Somehow, keeping the core together for another run was a bad idea. This 'rebuild topic seems to be the popular hot take of the moment...after one loss.

 It goes right along with the board fascination with trading good players before the remotely slip for the bobbywizdum "boatload of picks", but I can't think of a team that wins trading their core leaders and talent every year.  What team does that?  Our fans think we should, but they also think Hurts should go in for Wentz before his big contract starts. 

No one ever said our fans were super smart.

 

The idea stems from the success of certain HOF coaches and GMs who moved on from certain talented players while they still possessed market value.  As Bill Walsh famously told Dwight Clark — "I only want you for your good years”

That strategy only works when there is sufficient younger talent to step in .... and the Eagles haven’t had the best track record at developing young talent the past 5-10 years.

4 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That concept you are responding to is so silly.  Somehow, keeping the core together for another run was a bad idea. This 'rebuild topic seems to be the popular hot take of the moment...after one loss.

 It goes right along with the board fascination with trading good players before the remotely slip for the bobbywizdum "boatload of picks", but I can't think of a team that wins trading their core leaders and talent every year.  What team does that?  Our fans think we should, but they also think Hurts should go in for Wentz before his big contract starts. 

No one ever said our fans were super smart.

 

I was going to say Jacksonville Jaguars but you had to throw that winning stipulation in there 

9 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That concept you are responding to is so silly.  Somehow, keeping the core together for another run was a bad idea. This 'rebuild topic seems to be the popular hot take of the moment...after one loss.

 It goes right along with the board fascination with trading good players before the remotely slip for the bobbywizdum "boatload of picks", but I can't think of a team that wins trading their core leaders and talent every year.  What team does that?  Our fans think we should, but they also think Hurts should go in for Wentz before his big contract starts. 

No one ever said our fans were super smart.

 

I don’t think anybody is saying keeping the core together to go for another run was a bad idea. However you need to add to that core young pieces so that you could have your foundation in place for when the core of that team was at the end. Then you could transition into next wave of Eagles football coming up with that core. The problem is we haven’t drafted well enough for the transition from the end of that run and the start of the next one to be smoother and take less time to get back to the mountain top with that next wave. Not saying they can’t get there. issue is we haven’t drafted well enough so far In response to the next wave 

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The idea stems from the success of certain HOF coaches and GMs who moved on from certain talented players while they still possessed market value.  As Bill Walsh famously told Dwight Clark — "I only want you for your good years”

That strategy only works when there is sufficient younger talent to step in .... and the Eagles haven’t had the best track record at developing young talent the past 5-10 years.

I'd like to know some team that is doing it in much in the past 10 years.  It seems like a rare situation to me.

Edit: Houston recently?

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think anybody is saying keeping the core together to go for another run was a bad idea. However you need to add to that core young pieces so that you could have your foundation in place for when the core of that team was at the end. Then you could transition into next wave of Eagles football coming up with that core. The problem is we haven’t drafted well enough for the transition from the end of that run and the start of the next one to be smoother and take less time to get back to the mountain top with that next wave. Not saying they can’t get there. issue is we haven’t drafted well enough so far In response to the next wave 

No argument with me there.  We just haven't hit home runs on many (if any) of the premium picks for awhile now.  That is the bigger problem, which requires some guys to stay a little longer.  Even right now, I only see an argument for four players - Peters (only here out of desperation), Jeffery (only here by injury), DJax, and Brandon Graham (his re-signing shocked me).

The theory still seems to be floating constantly that trading Cox, Ertz, Carson, etc will yield a massive haul of picks....to your point, there's no proof that it would happen or that we would get anything out of the picks we'd get.  

And this roster has had some heavy overhauling done since the SB.  Its just not all panning out yet or is injured.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I was going to say Jacksonville Jaguars but you had to throw that winning stipulation in there 

Houston?  

5 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I'd like to know some team that is doing it in much in the past 10 years.  It seems like a rare situation to me.

Steelers and Patriots are the only two franchises that come to mind.  PIT always seem to be able to turnover WR and RB talent, and the Pats cheat the salary cap through Robert Kraft.  

3 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

No argument with me there.  We just haven't hit home runs on many (if any) of the premium picks for awhile now.  That is the bigger problem, which requires some guys to stay a little longer.  Even right now, I only see an argument for four players - Peters (only here out of desperation), Jeffery (only here by injury), DJax, and Brandon Graham (his re-signing shocked me).

The theory still seems to be floating constantly that trading Cox, Ertz, Carson, etc will yield a massive haul of picks....to your point, there's no proof that it would happen or that we would get anything out of the picks we'd get.  

And this roster has had some heavy overhauling done since the SB.  Its just not all panning out yet or is injured.

I don’t think we are going to get nearly the picks people think with cox. If we see he’s not the same player and that’s why people are willing to trade him, I’m guessing other teams are going to do their homework. Add on cap room to fit him on top of that. I think ertz is only traded if they are truly intent on not re-signing him. I don’t think you’ll get a boatload of picks. I think you’d be lucky to get a 2nd considering needs a new contract that’ll be hefty. 

Frankly if we drafted better I’d feel more excited about the future of this team but i look at the handful of young guys and think That’s not nearly good enough  

 

Howie deserves his share of criticism for underwhelming drafts as well as giving out some bad contracts, but there is a lot worse at GM out there. Just look at Elway or BOB. Look at Les Snead, Jason Licht, Dave Caldwell, Dave Gettleman and Mike Tannenbaum. Or Ryan Pace who traded up one spot to take Trubisky instead of Mahomes or Watson. 

I think Howie can at least get one losing season before talks of firing him should be considered. Especially with this teams injury luck the last 4 years 

That's why you can't follow what the media says. Hargrave practiced today. Saw it with my own eyes. 

12 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Houston?  

I’m gonna need to huff some spray paint to explain Houston’s general managing strategy.